Question about flushing & parasites
Posted 15 July 2004 - 10:53 PM
If you knew what a caustic was, you'd see how hilarious your last argument was. Lye's are "strong" caustics but there are circumstances where even weak caustics can be effective in producing low-quality soap. Caustic which, as you'd learn if you owned a dictionary, is "A substance capable of burning, corroding, dissolving, or eating away by chemical action." Ever heard this theory about acids corroding or dissolving anything? Yes. They are caustics.
Citric acid is a caustic. Now, review that last part about your government conspiracy about them injecting them into lemons and try to resist the urge to push the edit button.
Posted 15 July 2004 - 10:56 PM
Posted 16 July 2004 - 08:14 AM
Posted 16 July 2004 - 10:31 AM
I think I read in another post that you cleared up your acne with flushing Denise, have you had any new flare-ups since you've started flushing?
And Nico, how has flushing helped you?
Posted 16 July 2004 - 10:42 AM
I can break out now if I don't maintain my liver and bowel, but it's pretty negligible.
Read this link: http://www.dr-schnitzer.de/acne.html
Posted 16 July 2004 - 11:12 AM
Posted 16 July 2004 - 01:40 PM
Posted 16 July 2004 - 01:47 PM
And you never provided a link stating such. You are beginning to embarass yourself. You are reaching for any explanation, and it's obvious to everyone who can read that that is exactly what you are doing.
There isn't any evidence I can find anywhere that lemon or grapefruit has any ability to cause saponfication.
So once again, I'll ask for the link. I provided one. Now you do the same to prove your case.
Posted 16 July 2004 - 01:51 PM
If you need explanation of what a catalyst is, please ask.
Posted 16 July 2004 - 01:53 PM
CH2-OOC-R - CH-OOC-R - CH2-OOC-R (fat)
+ 3 NaOH ( or KOH)
both heated --->>
CH2-OH -CH-OH - CH2-OH (glycerol)
+ 3 R-CO2-Na (soap)
R=(CH2)14CH3 (for example)
Sodium chloride is added to precipitate the soap.
Lye is a form of sodium hydroxide which is a caustic base. If NaOH is used a hard soap is formed, whereas a soft soap is formed when KOH is used.
Animal fat is a fatty ester in the form of triacylglycerol. The alkali breaks the ester bond and releases the fatty acid and glycerol.
The soap is salted out by precipitating it with sodium chloride.
Saponification is often generalized to refer to the breaking of ester bonds using a caustic alkali.
Saponification can also refer to the conversion of fat and other soft tissue in a corpse into adipocere. This process is more common where the amount of fatty tissue is high, the agents of decomposition absent or only minutely present, and the burial ground is particularly alkali.
**Since many of the intrahepatic stones are composed of cholesterol, bilirubin, and bile, then they are usually soft. I have passed 3 white, hard, calcified stones also. But let's say that they are soft. According to this information, KOH would be used in saponfication.
So is KOH lemon or grapefruit?
Posted 16 July 2004 - 01:56 PM
Once again, saponification in soap making uses NaOH (for solid soap) or KOH (for liquid) but I am talking saponification as in the reaction; not in the soap-producing sense. Wikipedia won't help you with this, Denny.
Remember just what saponification is; oil's properties changing as a result of being broken by a caustic (either acid or base though almost always base because they are more efficiently corrosive). Any other questions?
Posted 16 July 2004 - 01:59 PM
If you have anything else to contribute here, please do so because you are just getting desperate.
Posted 16 July 2004 - 02:03 PM
Note the term "caustic" which means corrosive.
The alkali referred to here goes off of the idea that saponification needs NaOH or KOH. It doesn't. Again, any caustic which can break the ester bond in the oil will result in the reaction carrying through though in varying degrees of effectiveness. The acid you ingest, citric, will, therefore, act as both a caustic AND a catalyst once it's limiting reactant properties have been acted out. Following me here?
Once again, bonds can be broken by any caustic. Your reliable "research" has only produced the dumbed-down version appropriate for most high schoolers.
Posted 16 July 2004 - 02:13 PM
You are reaching towards a theory that isn't proven. If you are such a serious scientist, please prove it at your house. Surely, you being the brilliant scientist and whatnot can prove this rather easily. Do oranges have the same effect? What about clementines? Nectarines?
Again...you are embarassing yourself by trying to infer that I'm an idiot. You are trying to float this theory when nothing could be further from the truth, and you know it. There isn't enough "caustic" material in lemons or grapefruits to cause saponification. That's not proven. If it was true, all the soapmakers in the world would use citric acid instead of lye; probably a lot cheaper.
Posted 16 July 2004 - 02:20 PM
You are not finding the research online because you are finding soap making information which is quite separate from saponification as a strict chemical reaction; find a nice college chemistry book at your local library and see if you can find it (even that's a maybe because anyone writing a book that advanced will assume the researcher knows what a caustic is...). The reaction needed to break ester bonds is not always one that requires a extremely caustic substance; that's why flushing is so funny. You produce stones of varying quality for this very reason.
In a college course, I once produced 2 oz. of very very sloppy soap using palm oil and vinegar. Surprisingly enough, though, it seemed quite solid once I exerted pressure on it. Your intestines can do this just as well. Good luck flushing but the only thing your liver has to do with it is wondering why you're eating Dove.
Posted 16 July 2004 - 02:36 PM
All you are doing is stating what you THINK is happening, without proof. All you can do is state what you've experimented with, but you've never experimented with lemons or grapefruits. You try to assert this as fact, but the fact is that you cannot even prove what you are saying.
Saponification usually only happens under extremely controlled circumstances. I am no scientist, but I know that much, even from high school chemistry class.
Posted 16 July 2004 - 03:07 PM
Ha. That's funny. Saponification can happen very easily under many circumstances; it's a process that was used thousands of years ago in less than "extremely controlled circumstances."
The placebo effect can do a lot.