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Posted 20 August 2013 - 11:55 PM

Just wanted to do a quick update.  After talking with both a derm and GP, we decided to start her on 10mg of accutane.  She is doing very well.  Neither of them seem to be too concerned with the scarring but more in the prevention of further acne.  What I have discovered is that her scarring is far less noticeable with the application of lots of moisturizer.  Perhaps those with these scars are a result of the harsh chemicals and no moisture to allow the skin to plump and recover successfully.  I have advised her to use copious amounts of moisturizer during this time and WILL NOT put her on a high dose, but a lower one to minimize the side effects.  While I am extremely uncertain as to this path and am worried, so worried, she wants to do this as well.  

Good to see an update from you, finally.

Yeah people have mentioned the whole using more moisturizer thing, but I still find it hard to believe that lack of moisture can cause that type of damage (scarring), because scarring results from an inflammatory response underneath the skin. I mean, there are tons of people in the world with dry skin and tons of people who don't use moisturizer at all....and you're not hearing reports left and right about these people having random scars form on their faces. It's food for thought, but I personally find the lack of moisturizer theory to not make any sense.

Please keep me and others updated in the Essential Day Spa thread that I started because this Acne.org AMVC thread is very dead. Best of luck to your daughter!

Also, try looking into a holistic/naturopath because they might be able to give you some explanations from an internal standpoint. It's worth a shot if most dermatologists aren't able to diagnose or help as far as the scarring is concerned.


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Posted 12 September 2013 - 10:18 AM

I think I have this. I keep finding new scars where there was no previous acne. Has anyone found any new information as to what may cause this? I have never been on Accutane or taken high dose Vit A. Thanks.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 12:19 AM

I think I have this. I keep finding new scars where there was no previous acne. Has anyone found any new information as to what may cause this? I have never been on Accutane or taken high dose Vit A. Thanks.

 

I hate to tell you, but you'll probably find no answer to any of it. I've been to a number of dermatologists (like many stories you'll read here and across the Internet) and everyone has been nothing but helpless. Most dermatologists will just try prescribing you Retin-A or some Vitamin A based topical, saying it can help rebuild collagen or they'll prescribe you antibiotics for acne or your typical prescription acne topical medications. I even went to UCLA and was brushed off rudely as being too obsessed about my appearance and was accused of having picked at my acne when I clearly hadn't (the doctor I saw also regarded some of my linear scars as wrinkles. They clearly were NOT wrinkles. I was 23 at the time, too, and have been a religious sunscreen user since 14).

In general, some dermatologists may have heard about AMVC but the information on it is too little and those who've heard of it will say you don't have it "just because it's rare."

Anyways, my condolences to you if you're pretty sure you have this "disease." I've had it since March of this year and it's permanently destroyed my self esteem and my face. Most of the scars and lines aren't MAJOR but they're noticeable up close, and it just really sucks.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 05:07 AM

I think I have this. I keep finding new scars where there was no previous acne. Has anyone found any new information as to what may cause this? I have never been on Accutane or taken high dose Vit A. Thanks.

 
I hate to tell you, but you'll probably find no answer to any of it. I've been to a number of dermatologists (like many stories you'll read here and across the Internet) and everyone has been nothing but helpless. Most dermatologists will just try prescribing you Retin-A or some Vitamin A based topical, saying it can help rebuild collagen or they'll prescribe you antibiotics for acne or your typical prescription acne topical medications. I even went to UCLA and was brushed off rudely as being too obsessed about my appearance and was accused of having picked at my acne when I clearly hadn't (the doctor I saw also regarded some of my linear scars as wrinkles. They clearly were NOT wrinkles. I was 23 at the time, too, and have been a religious sunscreen user since 14).
In general, some dermatologists may have heard about AMVC but the information on it is too little and those who've heard of it will say you don't have it "just because it's rare."
Anyways, my condolences to you if you're pretty sure you have this "disease." I've had it since March of this year and it's permanently destroyed my self esteem and my face. Most of the scars and lines aren't MAJOR but they're noticeable up close, and it just really sucks.

Hi!
I read a thread of yours long time ago. It was about dermarolling.
May i ask how much improvement you got with it and how long the needles were?

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 10:10 PM

 

I think I have this. I keep finding new scars where there was no previous acne. Has anyone found any new information as to what may cause this? I have never been on Accutane or taken high dose Vit A. Thanks.

 
I hate to tell you, but you'll probably find no answer to any of it. I've been to a number of dermatologists (like many stories you'll read here and across the Internet) and everyone has been nothing but helpless. Most dermatologists will just try prescribing you Retin-A or some Vitamin A based topical, saying it can help rebuild collagen or they'll prescribe you antibiotics for acne or your typical prescription acne topical medications. I even went to UCLA and was brushed off rudely as being too obsessed about my appearance and was accused of having picked at my acne when I clearly hadn't (the doctor I saw also regarded some of my linear scars as wrinkles. They clearly were NOT wrinkles. I was 23 at the time, too, and have been a religious sunscreen user since 14).
In general, some dermatologists may have heard about AMVC but the information on it is too little and those who've heard of it will say you don't have it "just because it's rare."
Anyways, my condolences to you if you're pretty sure you have this "disease." I've had it since March of this year and it's permanently destroyed my self esteem and my face. Most of the scars and lines aren't MAJOR but they're noticeable up close, and it just really sucks.

Hi!
I read a thread of yours long time ago. It was about dermarolling.
May i ask how much improvement you got with it and how long the needles were?

I had a dermastamp (3, actually). I stopped doing it because I had subcision and filler for the 2 pockmarks that were on my cheek. It's been over a year now, and the fillers have faded, and the pockmarks are visible once again.

And because I have spontaneous scarring now, there's no point in attempting to stamp when my skin is going to deteriorate on its own. I have various indentions and little linear lines all over, including some spontaneous wrinkle looking creases on my forehead. It's very depressing.



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 08:41 PM

 


 


I think I have this. I keep finding new scars where there was no previous acne. Has anyone found any new information as to what may cause this? I have never been on Accutane or taken high dose Vit A. Thanks.

 
I hate to tell you, but you'll probably find no answer to any of it. I've been to a number of dermatologists (like many stories you'll read here and across the Internet) and everyone has been nothing but helpless. Most dermatologists will just try prescribing you Retin-A or some Vitamin A based topical, saying it can help rebuild collagen or they'll prescribe you antibiotics for acne or your typical prescription acne topical medications. I even went to UCLA and was brushed off rudely as being too obsessed about my appearance and was accused of having picked at my acne when I clearly hadn't (the doctor I saw also regarded some of my linear scars as wrinkles. They clearly were NOT wrinkles. I was 23 at the time, too, and have been a religious sunscreen user since 14).
In general, some dermatologists may have heard about AMVC but the information on it is too little and those who've heard of it will say you don't have it "just because it's rare."
Anyways, my condolences to you if you're pretty sure you have this "disease." I've had it since March of this year and it's permanently destroyed my self esteem and my face. Most of the scars and lines aren't MAJOR but they're noticeable up close, and it just really sucks.

Hi!
I read a thread of yours long time ago. It was about dermarolling.
May i ask how much improvement you got with it and how long the needles were?
I had a dermastamp (3, actually). I stopped doing it because I had subcision and filler for the 2 pockmarks that were on my cheek. It's been over a year now, and the fillers have faded, and the pockmarks are visible once again.
And because I have spontaneous scarring now, there's no point in attempting to stamp when my skin is going to deteriorate on its own. I have various indentions and little linear lines all over, including some spontaneous wrinkle looking creases on my forehead. It's very depressing.

Why is it happening? Does fish oil cause this?


Edited by AghhNe, 26 October 2013 - 07:07 PM.


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 07:44 PM

 

 


 


I think I have this. I keep finding new scars where there was no previous acne. Has anyone found any new information as to what may cause this? I have never been on Accutane or taken high dose Vit A. Thanks.

 
I hate to tell you, but you'll probably find no answer to any of it. I've been to a number of dermatologists (like many stories you'll read here and across the Internet) and everyone has been nothing but helpless. Most dermatologists will just try prescribing you Retin-A or some Vitamin A based topical, saying it can help rebuild collagen or they'll prescribe you antibiotics for acne or your typical prescription acne topical medications. I even went to UCLA and was brushed off rudely as being too obsessed about my appearance and was accused of having picked at my acne when I clearly hadn't (the doctor I saw also regarded some of my linear scars as wrinkles. They clearly were NOT wrinkles. I was 23 at the time, too, and have been a religious sunscreen user since 14).
In general, some dermatologists may have heard about AMVC but the information on it is too little and those who've heard of it will say you don't have it "just because it's rare."
Anyways, my condolences to you if you're pretty sure you have this "disease." I've had it since March of this year and it's permanently destroyed my self esteem and my face. Most of the scars and lines aren't MAJOR but they're noticeable up close, and it just really sucks.

Hi!
I read a thread of yours long time ago. It was about dermarolling.
May i ask how much improvement you got with it and how long the needles were?
I had a dermastamp (3, actually). I stopped doing it because I had subcision and filler for the 2 pockmarks that were on my cheek. It's been over a year now, and the fillers have faded, and the pockmarks are visible once again.
And because I have spontaneous scarring now, there's no point in attempting to stamp when my skin is going to deteriorate on its own. I have various indentions and little linear lines all over, including some spontaneous wrinkle looking creases on my forehead. It's very depressing.

Why is it happening? Does fish oil cause this?

 Well, I wish I knew why it was happening, but I don't.

And people have said fish oil causes it, but there's no solid research or medical evidence to support this claim.



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Posted 18 March 2014 - 04:38 AM

Hello. I came across a message where you were expressing your dilemma with random lines, indents, holes, scars appearing on the face for no apparent reason. I'm experiencing exactly that. I'm so struck with anxiety over this and have become severely depressed. I find new scars each day that vary from size and shape.

I only use emu oil or Argan oil on my face, epiduo interchangeably, and had been taking high doses of evening primrose oil to help with cramping and dry skin. I remember reading on acne.org and essentialdayspa of people with the same issues, but they were consuming high doses of omega 3's as opposed to omega 6 (evening primrose oil in my case. Could I have caused the opposite problem of now being deficient in omega 3?

I also took two doses of fluconazole for candida, and supplementing with oregano oil. I'm not sure what's contributing to this abnormality. I feel so helpless and scared. This bizarre scarring is spreading day to day. Please help if you have any answers or have found relief.

I pray anyone out there who has endured this or is dealing with this currently has found hope or healing.

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 11:41 PM

Hello. I came across a message where you were expressing your dilemma with random lines, indents, holes, scars appearing on the face for no apparent reason. I'm experiencing exactly that. I'm so struck with anxiety over this and have become severely depressed. I find new scars each day that vary from size and shape.

I only use emu oil or Argan oil on my face, epiduo interchangeably, and had been taking high doses of evening primrose oil to help with cramping and dry skin. I remember reading on acne.org and essentialdayspa of people with the same issues, but they were consuming high doses of omega 3's as opposed to omega 6 (evening primrose oil in my case. Could I have caused the opposite problem of now being deficient in omega 3?

I also took two doses of fluconazole for candida, and supplementing with oregano oil. I'm not sure what's contributing to this abnormality. I feel so helpless and scared. This bizarre scarring is spreading day to day. Please help if you have any answers or have found relief.

I pray anyone out there who has endured this or is dealing with this currently has found hope or healing.

 

Hi, yeah I'm really sorry to hear that you are experiencing this hell as well. I thought my scarring stopped a few months back because I had stomach discomfort for a while and an internal doctor found that I had clostridium difficile toxin A and B, which is essentally antibiotic poisoning (although this relates in no way to my skin). I was given antibiotics and the stomach discomfort went away, and around that time I thought the random scarring had stopped but....I check my face every now and then, and I've noticed that the damage continues. Now, it's mainly small holes and small pockmarks, but still...it is abnormal scarring nonetheless.

 

I still have never been helped for this nor the twitching, prickling, static-like sensations that I've been experiencing for over a year now. I believe that there is something abnormal with my thyroid (previous blood test result numbers, while in the "normal" range, are still on the low end and I've seen fluctuating in the measurement levels) and that there is also some type of parasite or bacteria at play, but I am still waiting until my appointment for an endocrinologist at USC. Skin wise, yeah....I've scoured the Internet and seen multiple dermatologists and no one has been able to help me. Most dermatologist immediately just prescribe me anti-acne topicals and the worst I've come across was a dermatologist at UCLA, who told me I was looking into mirrors too much.

 

If you find anything, please let me know.



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Posted 06 May 2014 - 06:02 AM

after much research I'm convinced its Demodex mites gone wild--went to a bunch of docs here in Wash,DC and they were all stumped as they are all specialists who don't see the "whole body" -just their little part--this is an immune system problem. It started when I hit about 48 years old-middle age-when your immune system starts to weaken. Anyone else had this start at middle age? Anyone in DC area found a doc that knows how to treat this?(other than the obvious solution of "strengthen your immune system", which I am doing)



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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:29 AM

after much research I'm convinced its Demodex mites gone wild--went to a bunch of docs here in Wash,DC and they were all stumped as they are all specialists who don't see the "whole body" -just their little part--this is an immune system problem. It started when I hit about 48 years old-middle age-when your immune system starts to weaken. Anyone else had this start at middle age? Anyone in DC area found a doc that knows how to treat this?(other than the obvious solution of "strengthen your immune system", which I am doing)

 

Are you the stand up comedian who organized that Washington DC acne scar support group? I remember you posted on Voy Message Board more than a decade ago. I didn't post but I used to read that site daily.

Did you or your friends find any solution for acne scars over the years?

There were many knowledgeable people posting there and they all vanished. I wonder if they eventually fixed their acne scars and moved their attention to other issues in their lives or if they just accepted living with scars.

 

Sorry for being off topic but we don't have many long-term reports here. People try different treatments, post a lot for a while and then disappear.



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 07:40 PM

Hey...I have started to have this amvc scarring aswell, and Im freaking out! I got a new scar today and I dont know what the fuck is happening! I dont take anything unusual, the only thing I take is Multivitamin(yes with vitamin a), but I have used that multivitamin for 4 years, so thats not the problem...I had a dermarolling session a week ago, could this be the reason for the scars???

Here is a picture which shows 3 out of the 4 amvc scars i have...

The only thing thats new in my life is the schampoo Ketokonazol...

Edit: It was 2 years ago since i was on accutane

Man! I also used Ketokonazol on my face and head when I started get white marks and lots of scarring.. This was also in a period when I had just dermarolled my face :'(



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 09:06 AM

I know this is an old thread but I have just started getting this crap a week ago. It's making me feel very depressed...Sigh.

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 10:18 PM

I was wondering if any members here could give an update on this. It sucks that most posters who were in this thread have never come back.

 

I have searched around and found that it's best to go to what is known as a dermatopathologist as opposed to a dermatologist. The former specializes in the study of cutaneous diseases at a microscopic and molecular level; they also analyze potential causes of skin diseases. Since this supposed "AMVC" occurs from internally, these types of doctors can probably be of better help than a normal dermatologist.

 

I am scheduled to see a dermatopathologist next Tuesday. I honestly don't know what to expect, but I hope I can at least find an answer, even if it turns out to really be AMVC.



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Posted 05 February 2015 - 03:46 AM

I was wondering if any members here could give an update on this. It sucks that most posters who were in this thread have never come back.

 

I have searched around and found that it's best to go to what is known as a dermatopathologist as opposed to a dermatologist. The former specializes in the study of cutaneous diseases at a microscopic and molecular level; they also analyze potential causes of skin diseases. Since this supposed "AMVC" occurs from internally, these types of doctors can probably be of better help than a normal dermatologist.

 

I am scheduled to see a dermatopathologist next Tuesday. I honestly don't know what to expect, but I hope I can at least find an answer, even if it turns out to really be AMVC.

Interesting. Seems like they also treat acne. I wonder how different is their procedure



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Posted 14 February 2015 - 11:26 PM

I was wondering if any members here could give an update on this. It sucks that most posters who were in this thread have never come back.

 

I have searched around and found that it's best to go to what is known as a dermatopathologist as opposed to a dermatologist. The former specializes in the study of cutaneous diseases at a microscopic and molecular level; they also analyze potential causes of skin diseases. Since this supposed "AMVC" occurs from internally, these types of doctors can probably be of better help than a normal dermatologist.

 

I am scheduled to see a dermatopathologist next Tuesday. I honestly don't know what to expect, but I hope I can at least find an answer, even if it turns out to really be AMVC.

Where do I find one of them? I am on the same boat. I had some deep linear scars on my left jawline.. I thought that's because of cystic acne I had years ago. But sadly no it's apparently AMVC now I am having thin linear scar around my temple area.. I am so depressed because they start out shallow and become deep over time. I don't know what to do and where to find an answer. I thought regimen AHA/BP was causing this now after reading this thread I am unsure and dont know which path to follow... it makes me feel suicidal tbh.



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Posted 16 February 2015 - 01:31 PM

I first started getting these 6 months ago on a reasonably high dose of roaccutane.
I'm 34 and have persistent acne. I first took roaccutane 8 years ago for severe acne and it cleared my face completely within a month with no scars.
I honestly was in total shock when this happened the second time. The scars appeared on my cheek as 2 very deep lines. I have never been so distressed and scared as I didn't even have acne here!
Anyway the next week I had pock marks on the other cheek and dents EVERYWHERE!
My dermatologist told me to stop taking roaccutane and use epiduo so I did this and holy crap my face is ruined!
I have dents and scars everywhere.
People who haven't experience facial scarring have no idea what this does to a person. I too have wanted to kill myself. My life literally changed overnight.
I'm not sure what to do now as I still have acne but don't know what treatment to try.
I know I cant live like this :(
I think that as you get older your skin gets thinner and as the roaccutane also thins the skin you just scar, I feel like I did this

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Posted 17 February 2015 - 08:40 AM

Anybody here use AHA or any other kind of chemical exfoliant? I believe my random scarring is due to use of AHA+ (10% glycolic lotion). I think this because I never had a problem with this &%$@ before I used it, and like 1-2 months after I started using the stuff my skin deteriorated in more ways than one (scars, broken caps, some enlarged pores, splotchy discolored spots, my acne gets more inflammed than it used to, clogged pores spread from chin to cheeks now). I never used retin-a. I never used accutane. I used bp before but that was years ago and I have since developed an allergy to it after my first pregnancy and haven't used it in over 3 years. I posted a thread recently where I explain my situation called "big problem with AHA" or something to that effect. I really think that's what did it for me. I don't think my skin can handle harsh products anymore. My derm did not have an answer for me, but I told her I was pretty sure it was that. She said she thought my scarring would fill in with time because mine is pretty shallow, I sure as Hell hope she was right. it has only been 2.5 months since I stopped using anything harsh on my face and it still looks like Hell, but she said it could take a year at least to heal. I have started washing with either just plain water, or sometimes raw honey, but usually just water. If I absolutely have to exfoliate, I do it extremely lightly with a baby wash cloth. Other than that I try not to mess with my face, in hopes of allowing it to heal from the assault of harsh products I had used in the past. My derm prescribed me retin-a but I won't touch it so I guess I am on my own with my break outs. I told her I was scared to use it. Thinking of seeing my ob/gyn and finally going on hormonal birth control or something because at 26, struggling with my skin since 12, I've f*ckin had it. Having babies and then trying to fix the break outs from it really screwed my skin up big time. sad.png Not saying you guys are getting scars for the same reason (AHA), but that's just me. I am not getting any new scars now, thought I did continue to see some new damage (what else to call it?) appear for a little bit after I stopped the lotion. My skin seems to have stabilized for now and I am not getting new scars. My advice is if you are using anything strong or harsh on your face, stop. Baby your skin. If this doesn't apply to you then ignore it, obviously. I am also using MSM powder (drinking it in water) and taking sytemic enzymes. Haven't been doing these things long enough to be able to say if they help, though.

 

Also what's weird is I had no signs of irritation while using AHA, Just woke up one day, skin was fine, then later that day, looked at my face again to check the status of a particularly bad zit I had, and saw a scar on my cheek that appeared out of nowhere. To be honest, I have been almost suicidal over this. I had SO MUCH anxiety because I didn't know wtf was happening to me. I was panicked I thought, omg, is this going to keep happening? I even started taking Xanax for a while because I wasn't sleeping. My anxiety has passed at this point, and now I am just a depressed mess. Hoping my face will recover from this sad.png I feel like I don't want to go out because I feel self concious now. Having a few zits is one thing, but getting random scars and sh*t is a whole other monster. I can deal with zits, I know zits. But scars for no reason? F*ck that. And also the fact that I am literally scared to do anything to my face. I feel like it is fragile and I do get a bit of anxiety when I use any products, which is part of why I stopped using them at all. I have read some posts at the ipl & laser damage support board and saw some people who had random scarring from retin-a, and some people get it from lasers, too. They say it's progressive, they will continue to see damage up to a year or more after laser, which is why iw ould never get laser done on my face. Anyway, I read a lot of that stuff and it seems most of the people who see improvement do just what I am doing: no harsh chemicals, use natural products if any (I use emu oil to moisturize if I have to because it supposed to be healing and help thicken the epidermis), minimal makeup, and washing with plain (preferably purified, not tap) water. It takes a while for skin to heal if it's going to, and you have to be gentle with it. Has anyone here had laser treatments? If so that could also be the cause.

 

Anyway, sorry for the novel. I have a tendency to just ramble, but yeah, that's my story. I am 99% sure that my problems are all due to the AHA. Possibly that was the straw that broke the camels back, after years of using products to control my break outs. Who knows. All I know is, I am being nice to my face from now on.



Also want to add that the fish oil thing made no difference for me. I have always taken it on and off, and have since taken it regularly since this happened and I didn't get any new scars or anything. For me I am sure it was the chemical exfoliant.


Edited by Kittee, 17 February 2015 - 08:38 AM.


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Anybody here use AHA or any other kind of chemical exfoliant? I believe my random scarring is due to use of AHA+ (10% glycolic lotion). I think this because I never had a problem with this &%$@ before I used it, and like 1-2 months after I started using the stuff my skin deteriorated in more ways than one (scars, broken caps, some enlarged pores, splotchy discolored spots, my acne gets more inflammed than it used to, clogged pores spread from chin to cheeks now). I never used retin-a. I never used accutane. I used bp before but that was years ago and I have since developed an allergy to it after my first pregnancy and haven't used it in over 3 years. I posted a thread recently where I explain my situation called "big problem with AHA" or something to that effect. I really think that's what did it for me. I don't think my skin can handle harsh products anymore. My derm did not have an answer for me, but I told her I was pretty sure it was that. She said she thought my scarring would fill in with time because mine is pretty shallow, I sure as Hell hope she was right. it has only been 2.5 months since I stopped using anything harsh on my face and it still looks like Hell, but she said it could take a year at least to heal. I have started washing with either just plain water, or sometimes raw honey, but usually just water. If I absolutely have to exfoliate, I do it extremely lightly with a baby wash cloth. Other than that I try not to mess with my face, in hopes of allowing it to heal from the assault of harsh products I had used in the past. My derm prescribed me retin-a but I won't touch it so I guess I am on my own with my break outs. I told her I was scared to use it. Thinking of seeing my ob/gyn and finally going on hormonal birth control or something because at 26, struggling with my skin since 12, I've f*ckin had it. Having babies and then trying to fix the break outs from it really screwed my skin up big time. Not saying you guys are getting scars for the same reason (AHA), but that's just me. I am not getting any new scars now, thought I did continue to see some new damage (what else to call it?) appear for a little bit after I stopped the lotion. My skin seems to have stabilized for now and I am not getting new scars. My advice is if you are using anything strong or harsh on your face, stop. Baby your skin. If this doesn't apply to you then ignore it, obviously. I am also using MSM powder (drinking it in water) and taking sytemic enzymes. Haven't been doing these things long enough to be able to say if they help, though.

 

Also what's weird is I had no signs of irritation while using AHA, Just woke up one day, skin was fine, then later that day, looked at my face again to check the status of a particularly bad zit I had, and saw a scar on my cheek that appeared out of nowhere. To be honest, I have been almost suicidal over this. I had SO MUCH anxiety because I didn't know wtf was happening to me. I was panicked I thought, omg, is this going to keep happening? I even started taking Xanax for a while because I wasn't sleeping. My anxiety has passed at this point, and now I am just a depressed mess. Hoping my face will recover from this I feel like I don't want to go out because I feel self concious now. Having a few zits is one thing, but getting random scars and sh*t is a whole other monster. I can deal with zits, I know zits. But scars for no reason? F*ck that. And also the fact that I am literally scared to do anything to my face. I feel like it is fragile and I do get a bit of anxiety when I use any products, which is part of why I stopped using them at all. I have read some posts at the ipl & laser damage support board and saw some people who had random scarring from retin-a, and some people get it from lasers, too. They say it's progressive, they will continue to see damage up to a year or more after laser, which is why iw ould never get laser done on my face. Anyway, I read a lot of that stuff and it seems most of the people who see improvement do just what I am doing: no harsh chemicals, use natural products if any (I use emu oil to moisturize if I have to because it supposed to be healing and help thicken the epidermis), minimal makeup, and washing with plain (preferably purified, not tap) water. It takes a while for skin to heal if it's going to, and you have to be gentle with it. Has anyone here had laser treatments? If so that could also be the cause.

 

Anyway, sorry for the novel. I have a tendency to just ramble, but yeah, that's my story. I am 99% sure that my problems are all due to the AHA. Possibly that was the straw that broke the camels back, after years of using products to control my break outs. Who knows. All I know is, I am being nice to my face from now on.



Also want to add that the fish oil thing made no difference for me. I have always taken it on and off, and have since taken it regularly since this happened and I didn't get any new scars or anything. For me I am sure it was the chemical exfoliant.

 

I honestly have not heard of people having indented scars as a result of daily AHA usage, but on the surface itself, AHA is a form of an exfoliant, so it's possible that 10% was too harsh for you, despite you never having any physical reactions. That probably physiologically doesn't make sense, but then again, none of this shit makes sense. Yeah I have heard of people experiencing random scarring after using Retin-A and Epiduo. I personally used Epiduo for 1 month or 2 before stopping but the scarring started 4 months or so after, so I can't tell if my case was related. And I freaked out too over the whole fish oil hubub that was mentioned previously in this thread, but even that....I have no idea how anyone is going to investigate or scientifically prove anything. It's just something you should throw into the back of your mind and not obsess over.

 

But I am sorry you have experienced this shit as well. I'm here right with you on how much it breaks you apart.

 

I was wondering if any members here could give an update on this. It sucks that most posters who were in this thread have never come back.

 

I have searched around and found that it's best to go to what is known as a dermatopathologist as opposed to a dermatologist. The former specializes in the study of cutaneous diseases at a microscopic and molecular level; they also analyze potential causes of skin diseases. Since this supposed "AMVC" occurs from internally, these types of doctors can probably be of better help than a normal dermatologist.

 

I am scheduled to see a dermatopathologist next Tuesday. I honestly don't know what to expect, but I hope I can at least find an answer, even if it turns out to really be AMVC.

Where do I find one of them? I am on the same boat. I had some deep linear scars on my left jawline.. I thought that's because of cystic acne I had years ago. But sadly no it's apparently AMVC now I am having thin linear scar around my temple area.. I am so depressed because they start out shallow and become deep over time. I don't know what to do and where to find an answer. I thought regimen AHA/BP was causing this now after reading this thread I am unsure and dont know which path to follow... it makes me feel suicidal tbh.

 

Your best bet is to Google around. Dermatopathologists are hard to find, though. I actually went ahead and re-schedule to see one this coming Monday, so I'll be back to report whatever I find. Hang in there.

 

I first started getting these 6 months ago on a reasonably high dose of roaccutane.
I'm 34 and have persistent acne. I first took roaccutane 8 years ago for severe acne and it cleared my face completely within a month with no scars.
I honestly was in total shock when this happened the second time. The scars appeared on my cheek as 2 very deep lines. I have never been so distressed and scared as I didn't even have acne here!
Anyway the next week I had pock marks on the other cheek and dents EVERYWHERE!
My dermatologist told me to stop taking roaccutane and use epiduo so I did this and holy crap my face is ruined!
I have dents and scars everywhere.
People who haven't experience facial scarring have no idea what this does to a person. I too have wanted to kill myself. My life literally changed overnight.
I'm not sure what to do now as I still have acne but don't know what treatment to try.
I know I cant live like this sad.png
I think that as you get older your skin gets thinner and as the roaccutane also thins the skin you just scar, I feel like I did this

Ugh, yeah Epiduo. I read on YouTube in the comments for a PMD review that a few people encountered random scarring after using Epiduo.

 

The only thing I have been doing for the past 6 months or so is microneedling. I first tried this back before it started going mainstream, but back back then I only had 2 pockmarks on my cheek and I saw no results after 4 months. Now, my face has gone for the worse by 10x. I have been using the Derminator from OwnDoc and while it is a good device, I haven't seen major improvement in my scarring to be honest. There is some slight noticeable improvement, but I think this thing requires long time usage. I also caution anyone who wishes to try needling to not use any of those electric dermstamp pens sold from Asia. OwnDoc has tested and says that those things cause microtearing in the skin. The funny thing though is that if you research microneedling devices, the majority of spas and clinics now that provide needling service all use those buzzing type of stamp pens. Strange.




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