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Hi everyone, 

I have never used retinol nor accutane, but was on benzol peroxide for about 5 years. 
I recently exfoliated my face harsh twice ( a week apart), and then I started to see random scarring. 
Like most of people here, I freaked out and went to see a doctor and a dermatologist but they did not have an answer for me.
I have done lots of blood tests in the end and it showed that I have slightly lower white blood cell counts/low iron/suspected hyperthyroidism. Other than that, I was fine. 

At first, I also thought this was immune related, but I cannot find any symptoms in other parts of my body but face. 
Also, people who have suffered AMVC years ago have not claimed any auto-immune disease until now.

I was just wondering.. did anyone here start to see random scarring after they exfoliated their face? 
I feel like over-exfoliating my face have caused this (on skin treated with benzol peroxide for years), but of course, I need more evidence to prove this. 

Please let me know and we will find a solution together. 

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I too have this problem from last 1 n half year..in past i had acne..but the areas where i never ever had any acne there i notice these scars like in middle of my forehead..i dont take any fish oil..neithr any other supplements..want to know the reason for this atleast..its very upseting when u dont have any clue n suddenly u see anothr scar appering on ur face..if anyone knows anything i can do for these scars..then plz help

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On 26/12/2016 at 8:46 AM, 487981_1443953454 said:

Hi everyone, 

I have never used retinol nor accutane, but was on benzol peroxide for about 5 years. 
I recently exfoliated my face harsh twice ( a week apart), and then I started to see random scarring. 
Like most of people here, I freaked out and went to see a doctor and a dermatologist but they did not have an answer for me.
I have done lots of blood tests in the end and it showed that I have slightly lower white blood cell counts/low iron/suspected hyperthyroidism. Other than that, I was fine. 

At first, I also thought this was immune related, but I cannot find any symptoms in other parts of my body but face. 
Also, people who have suffered AMVC years ago have not claimed any auto-immune disease until now.

I was just wondering.. did anyone here start to see random scarring after they exfoliated their face? 
I feel like over-exfoliating my face have caused this (on skin treated with benzol peroxide for years), but of course, I need more evidence to prove this. 

Please let me know and we will find a solution together. 

I think its becoz of benzol peroxide..i too use the same and i too have now got the prblm
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Can someone PLEASE explain why they think OMEGA 3 causes this?  I have some shallow indents after accutane but I think thats because 1. You cant see scars with active inflamtion/acne, and 2. Scars are more visible with dry skin.  However, I am baffled at how Omega 3 can cause this.  I really need to know why.  I have been doing research and found NOTHING on this besides THIS thread. No studies, nothing. Is the whole thing an idea perpetuated by "lammar." Did one dude just say something random and it snow balled? Omega 3 fish oil is not the same as cod liver oil which has vitamin A.  So i simply want an answer to WHY fish oil does this and MEDICAL PROOF.....Is this honestly any more then a guy with about 2500 posts on this website (hypochondriac) simply just saying something? Jesus Christ.  Also, Im pretty sure this problem is considered VERY rare..... as in like 100 cases world wide....... can a rationale human being please explain this to me

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Like you realize the literature says that there has been 23 documented cases since it was discovered...... TWENTY THREE. This 22 page thread is a perfect example of why I cant go on this website.... its a play ground for hyopchondriacs and its scares people.  

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43 minutes ago, Sollysolly said:

Please darkheart or anyone update me am suiciding

What happened to scarring


Goto the dermatologist please, these posters have not been back in months. This is the best person who can help you. I would post in the normal acne sub or if this is to do with Accutane / Retin A the prescription medication sub forum as they are the best to deal with it and others are taking the medication. You can also ask this question on realself.com for doctors to answer. 

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1. SUCCESSFUL TREATMENT THREADS                                                                 7. HYPERTROPHIC / KELOID (RAISED SCARS)
2. WHAT IS ACNE & PREVENTING SCARS                                                              8. SUBCISION
3. DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCARRING                                                                      
9. FILLER FOR SCARS
4. TREATING SCARS AT HOME                                                                              10. LASER
5. SKIN: RED (PIE) BROWN (PIH), WHITE MARKS,                                               11. MICRONEEDLING
     TEXTURE, LARGE PORES,  DRYNESS, & COVERING UP SCARS                    12. TCA CROSS FOR ICEPICK SCARS & ACID PEELS                       
6. PUNCH GRAFTING & EXCISION                                                                        13.
LIST OF ACNE SCAR TREATMENT DOCTORS

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34 minutes ago, beautifulambition said:

Goto the dermatologist please, these posters have not been back in months. This is the best person who can help you. I would post in the normal acne sub or if this is to do with Accutane / Retin A the prescription medication sub forum as they are the best to deal with it and others are taking the medication. You can also ask this question on realself.com for doctors to answer. 
i went to many doctors and they couldnt help .. also realself donot answer my questions
 

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Dear SollySolly -
1st)
Please do not go and do something like this to yourself, you will get through this, most of us have gone through it and are recovering from the scarring, it is all immune related, when your immune system is compromised, mast cells are released in some cases in excessive amounts, which can cause havoc on our system, this is just a side effect of what is happening on a deeper level, we are then forced to look within, and realize there is a deeper issue that needs fixing, you need to start rebuilding your gut/immune system, in time, this will balance itself out, don't stress about it too much, as it raises cortisol levels, which then causes another cycle of scarring as it attacks your skin, we have all learned to relax a bit more and look in the mirror a bit less while we are going through the healing process, you will get through this. You need to ride the storm, you are obviously pro-active to be seeking answers and have gotten this far to find sites like this with real testimonies of abnormal scarring, this means, you have the ability to keep seeking, applying what you have learnt from others, and do some research along the way.
2nd) When in this frame of mind (I know I'm going to sound preachy here), but reach out to Jesus for help, he will shield you from these suicidal thoughts, his the best Savior!! I have a testimony, and I should of ended up in ER by now, but I had several anaphylaxis attacks, and prayer really did work, was a miracle!!!
3rd) Remember diet is key to rebuilding immune system, then use some mild active skincare products that will help activate good skin cells and slough away the dead cells, go slow and use mild skincare as your skin is still re-active and sensitive atm.  What I did find worked super fast was borage oil (better than primrose oil), I would apply it topically day and night, within a month, I noticed an improvement in my scarring, some areas are non existent now, and some still need a bit more time, however, its evident that healing is taking place. Be patient, be kind to yourself, don't stress, have a good healthy diet, and apply some skincare that will help speed up recovery time.
Also taking borage and primrose oil internally is indeed very effective, it helps fight against inflammation. Atm, I'm only taking one primrose oil a day, I also use borage oil, I prick the end of the borage oil capsule, and apply that on my skin as another way for my body to supplement (as it goes straight into the blood stream), and the side effect of that is also good strong, healing skin. I only use half of that capsule per day.
4th) I don't believe Retina-A or lasers is what is scarring the skin, I have had both lasers and Retin-A's (peels) in the past, and believe me it was not using these tools that caused the problem I have with my skin today. If anyone is using these methods and are scarring from it soon after, this is a sign your immune system is severely compromised and can not heal like it would if it was in peek condition. I had to recently stop electrolysis while I'm in the healing stages, because my immune system can not heal my skin properly after having this treatment, and therefore causing scars to form because my skin can not heal like it used to when I had a healthy immune system, I never scarred once with electrolysis in the past, its only now that my immune system is compromised, so I need to wait a little while longer in my healing journey to try again for hair reduction treatments.
Accutane though probably does have a role to play in a compromised immune system, any kind of pills/drugs do destroy the gut lining, and 70% of our immune system lies in our gut.  However you can rebuild and restore damages done to the body, the body has an amazing way to heal, if we give it what it needs to start its healing.
I hope this helps? I know you will be ok, once we get over the anxiety of what is happening and start to apply changes into our lives, you will become empowered and you will see results in healing.   Edited by Finding Health
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Hi JohnSmith21:
Sorry for some reason I cant tag you guys individually, so I will need to reply to some comments individually. Look into Pyrrole disorder (also related to mast cells), another key to a compromised immune system, majority of the population has it and its not been brought to light because Pharma can not profit from this, as the main issue is vitamin deficiencies, plus rebuilding of the gut lining (leaky gut), leaky gut causes vitamins to leach out of the body. You will find those that do bring Pyrrole awareness to light, will also mention GLA (borage and primrose oil) also being an important nutrient the body needs, also with pyrrole you need to stay away from fish oil, an unbalance of omega's can distrupt the body when the ratio of omega 3 and omega 6 is out of wack. Get some healthy omega 6's in your diet and keep away from the bad ones that are in our conventional foods. You can still get omega 3's from certain foods, just maybe avoid fish oil at this point, besides most fish oil is either got high quantities of mercury in it, or possibly radiation, depending where they are fished from, or some fish oils come from farmed fish, which is really bad for you, because of the high contents of GMO that are in the fish (from grains they feeds them), if the oil is not pure, it does change the chemical structure of the oil, which then can harm us as well.  Its really difficult to find a pure quality oil, and if you do, your best to avoid it for now and just heal your immune system with other omega 3's that are found in various vegetables. Just my opinion and from my journey in rebuilding a healthy immune system.
Ps: Also a few other vitamins that are key for a healthy immune system is Magnesium, Zinc, B6, GLA, are a great start, which is also the key vitamins most pyrrole sufferers are lacking in. I would try to find a nutritionist who knows about leaky gut and pyrrole to better guide you, incase you are on other medication or taking other supplements, if you do use these vitamins, make sure you start of with small doses and work your way up to the full dose, you can not just get any zinc or b6 supplements, they need to be specific kinds that help absorption.
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Findind health .. thank you for your support but unfortunately it cant be true as cancer patients and hiv ones have a mich more immune compromised body and they do not experience any scarring .. can you tell me your experience

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31 minutes ago, Sollysolly said:

Findind health .. thank you for your support but unfortunately it cant be true as cancer patients and hiv ones have a mich more immune compromised body and they do not experience any scarring .. can you tell me your experience


This is not true. HIV patients get sick with all sorts of things, including facial wasting (below) which is much worse than acne scars. He used filler to correct the issue.  Scars can also occur from nutrition, auto immune, smoking, drinking, other health issues, family history, stress,, and hormone imbalances. Bacteria can make acne like scars. Look at the below it's from Staph. Acne scars while they are bad , are not as bad as many people have it. I suggest you see a therapist. There is a smartphone app called Talkspace which you can do from home or see someone face to face. Often acne scar surfers have unrealistic expectations (I am many others have had this) part of our healing is through therapy. You can get cheaper therapy at colleges as well, even if you don't goto one. If people in wheel chairs and all sorts of things can live life, so can we. It is the media and Movie Stars that make us buy into the perfection and fake photoshop for small things that seem life altering. 

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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
1. SUCCESSFUL TREATMENT THREADS                                                                 7. HYPERTROPHIC / KELOID (RAISED SCARS)
2. WHAT IS ACNE & PREVENTING SCARS                                                              8. SUBCISION
3. DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCARRING                                                                      
9. FILLER FOR SCARS
4. TREATING SCARS AT HOME                                                                              10. LASER
5. SKIN: RED (PIE) BROWN (PIH), WHITE MARKS,                                               11. MICRONEEDLING
     TEXTURE, LARGE PORES,  DRYNESS, & COVERING UP SCARS                    12. TCA CROSS FOR ICEPICK SCARS & ACID PEELS                       
6. PUNCH GRAFTING & EXCISION                                                                        13.
LIST OF ACNE SCAR TREATMENT DOCTORS

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SollySolly.............. BeautifulAmbition is pretty spot on, some of us could be battling with nutritional issues, Alcohol, medications, toxins, bacteria and viruses (some of us don't even know we have them), which can way heavily on our immune system. However all is not lost, we can rebuild and heal again and the body does have an amazing way in restoring itself, time and consistency is the key. As BeutifulAmbition mentioned, even those that Have HIV will have there own battles to face, everyone's body will react differently to the next person, but not all HIV sufferers have facial wasting either, and some have it very severer, however like any illness or disease, what you may expereince in an area that bothers you, someone else will expereince a different type of battle that you are not facing, for instance, those that are diabetic, in some cases limbs have to be amputated, so its important that we don't compare ourselves to others as we are fairly lucky not to experience something of that severity, That's why in a bizarre way, these symptoms we are seeing outwardly, are a blessing, it helps us to see what is happening inwardly, we can take those signs, and be proactive, in changing our way of eating and lifestyle, and in return our bodies will reward us by
beginning to heal.  And yes there are some cases that are so extreme, most would think its irreversible, such as those carrying HIV, that have actually been healed completely from their disease, there is a few testimonies I have come across that have extraordinary stories, just depends on how serious we are in healing ourselves, by supplying the right foods and supplements our body needs to rebuild itself and fight off diseases. 
As for my journey, I believe I'm dealing with Lyme disease, leaky gut (both also linked to Pyrrole Disorder), usually leaky gut is what causes other diseases to manifest. But I'm on the journey to recovery, and time and consistency has been the key to healing. I believe I had Pyrrole for most of my life, not treated with the right diet, plus my eating habits where not good in general which didn't help the cause, eventually this caused more problems (followed by leaky gut), which then lead to lyme disease to finally come out in full force. Looking back now, had I changed my lifestyle and eating habits, I don't think it my health would have gotten this bad, but I believe everything happens for a reason, and now I'm more passionate about what to eat and avoid and learning to rebuild my body and teach others. We also need to be aware that some foods that appear healthy, such as GMO foods, can actually be DNA changing, causing major disruption in the body/immune system, so I'm keen now to remove myself from man made poisons, it takes some research to filter through the lies we have been conditioned to hearing, and finding how to avoid such poisons in our pachaged foods or when shopping from fresh produce. I added my thoughts on this a few pages back. When you get time, do go through everyones story and input on what helped them and what they researched, and do some research along the way too, a lot of the pieces of the puzzle will start to fall into place, and you can then see what works for you, apply some of these tips and add your own twist to it, you may go through trials and errors, thats ok, its part of the journey your on, our bodies are all different, but the main key would be health and lifestyle changes, thats a very good place to begin :-) hope that helps

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