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#41 sassy74

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 02:50 PM

I couldn't find your pics, but that's okay smile.gif How are you healing now? I know it's been a couple of days since you've posted. My procedure is just a little over a week away. Today is one of those "low-self esteem" days, so any positive feedback would be greatly appreciated. On second thought, ANY feedback would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks again!! biggrin.gif


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Posted 21 June 2010 - 02:32 PM

Brace yourselves, I'm "wordy" and like to be thorough in my descriptions. Especially since there is relatively little out there (besides blatant marketing) about Matrix RF treatments.


Okay troops. I'm back from my first Matrix RF treatment (also called Sublative Rejuvenation)

Got there and Jessica (the esthetician) removed my makeup and used a clarisonic brush and cleaned my skin. She then applied a topical numbing cream and then reapplied it after 15 minutes, for a total of 30 minutes.

She removed the numbing cream w/ a 90% isopropyl alcohol solution to make sure the skin was "super duper clean and dry"!

We discussed the treatment depth prior to the application of the creams. The Matrix RF comes in three treatment depth levels (A, B, & C) with varying degrees of microjoules per level. I had expected, and asked for the Level C, which is the strongest and ablates the deepest. Jessica said that she had planned to start off at the B level. Since this was my first laser treatment w/ her and I have only mild scarring, she didn't want to go for the big guns right off the bat. She also told me that the company is now suggesting Level B for acne scarring, as it creates the most coagulation at that level and that is supposed to be better for remodeling acne scars.

Since I didn't want to risk complications or further injury, we proceeded w/ Treatment Level B at 48 mj.

I felt hardly ANYTHING! That numbing cream is the bomb-diggety. Jessica and I used a hand mirror before treatment to make sure we were on the same page as to where my scars are that I wanted to treat. We even stopped 1/2 way through to make sure she was getting coverage to my expectations. smile.gif There was a VERY slight burning smell, similar to that of scorching your hair with a curling iron. Nothing grotesque by any means.

The whole treatment lasted less than 15 minutes. She applied a soothing balm and a sun screen. I took a gander at my face immediately after and was shocked that I wasn't as red as I was after I had had a micro laser peel.

My face stayed numb for about 2 1/2 more hours.

I'm supposed to apply a cream she gave me 3-4 times a day 6-8 hours post procedure and I can put on loose mineral powder 24hours post, to help with any residual redness. My husband laughed when he saw me and said, "Heck, I'm redder than you are." I do have some puffiness and Jessica told me that I may continue to become redder and slightly swell more.

She usually sees patients 2-3 days after a treatment, but since I live 2 hours away, she wants me to snap photos and email them to her so she can monitor my progress. I appreciate her thoroughness and caring. She told me, "I'm treating you the way I'd want to be treated myself." Gotta love the Golden Rule.

I'll continue to post updates as the days roll along. Please feel free to ask any questions I may not have covered. I know what it's like to not be able to find the information your searching for.

Recap: I have small/shallow icepick scaring mostly in a couple small patches on my cheeks. We only treated my cheeks at the cost of $250 total. I'm having at least 3 treatments, spaced 4 weeks apart. She is going to do my 4th treatment for free. She sprung that one on me today! All I gotta say to that. "God is so good and prayer works." eusa_angel.gif

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:07 PM

Day 2 update.

My skin , where it was treated, was "oozing" last night, but nothing awful. I wasn't able to wash my face until this morning. I used Cetaphil. The "crust" (good grief this sounds gross) that had formed over night from the weeping of the skin was completely washed off in the shower. I put on the PCA Silkcoat Balm and PCA sunscreen that she gave me to use. I'm SLIGHTLY more swollen today. I kinda think it's cute. I look like I have rosy red "baby" cheeks. As always, trying to be positive.

My aesthetician called me this afternoon to check in on me biggrin.gif She said that the weeping of the skin can be a side effect, but tends not to be overly common. Lucky me!

My skin is comfortable and not nearly as painful as post micro laser peel.

I can barely see the grid marks. I choose not to put on any makeup today as I didn't plan on rolling out of my house for any wild parties. I was told to use ONLY talc free, mineral based powders and not to use any liquid makeup until after the scabs have fallen off.

I haven't experienced any of the itching that can be a possible side effect. Jessica did tell me to only use the hydrocortizone cream (PCA Apres Peel) if it was unbearable. She said that the swelling is ideal and any reduction of it ahead of the skin's normal healing time is not going to be beneficial.

My skin, where treated, has a rough texture. Similar to fine grain sandpaper. I developed one itsy-bitsy whitehead, which Jessica explained is probably from the application of the Silkcoat balm.

I'm taking all my regular vitamins and drinking bucket loads of water. Don't know if that will speed up healing, but hey, can't hurt.

I'll update again tomorrow smile.gif
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:25 PM

Great descriptions, Sassy! Keep up the detail...I'm sure you'll help loads of people!
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 08:01 PM

QUOTE (SkiBum#1 @ Jun 22 2010, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great descriptions, Sassy! Keep up the detail...I'm sure you'll help loads of people!

Thanks smile.gif I'm trying to do my best. I don't quite have the guts to post pics, but maybe while in a drunken stupor I might change my mind lol.gif

I just want to be able to provide the information that I couldn't find myself. I sincerely hope it helps others that are trying to find solutions to their acne scarring.

Many thanks and blessings again to all !

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 06:14 PM

Day 3
And the Matrix RF saga continues smile.gif

Not much change today. I'm less "puffy" and the redness continues to decrease. Since the kiddos were harassing the hubby and I about seeing Toy Story 3, I went ahead an applied some of my mineral powder so I'd feel more comfortable out in public.

The makeup works great at disguising the redness, but if you get right up in my grill, you can see the matrix dots from the treatment. Some of the dots (scabs really, but doesn't "dots" sound better?) are ready to flake off, but I'm doing my absolute darndest to leave those little fellers alone.

I've had a tad more itchiness today so it's difficult to not scratch. However, it's nothing I can't put up with.

I'm supposed to snap some photos to send to my aesthetician, Jessica, today and MAYBE, just MAYBE, I'll post them.

Hope all is well out there in the community and everyone is finding positive solutions.

God Bless Y'all and I'll post again tomorrow.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 07:29 PM

Day 4 update:

I'm totally flaking out! wacko.gif

Less redness today and the swelling is almost completely gone. It's SUPER hard to not want to pull off these little flakies, but I shall resist!

I emailed pics to my aesthetician and she said, according to my pics, that my redness was looking good and I appeared to be healing well.

I have to go do a jewelry show at an office tomorrow, so this should be interesting. Maybe the ladies will be so bedazzled by all the jewelry they won't notice my "grid" marks under my powder. wink.gif

I'll be back to post again tomorrow!

God Bless!



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Posted 25 June 2010 - 06:16 PM

Day 5 update:

I'd say approximately 50% of my lil' scabbies have fallen off. The redness is fainter by the day and the swelling is gone. However, I will note that you can still see the grid stamp if you look at the right side of my face.

It's been difficult not to scratch when the itchiness gets uncomfortable. But again, I must stress that it's not intolerable itchiness. I'm aware it's because my skin is healing, but I have to constantly remind myself not to scratch, as I don't want to prematurely pull off any scabs.

The powder worked great at covering up my complexion and no one gave me any crazy stares while I was at my jewelry show. I even braved a trip to Target and took a gander at my skin in the dressing room lighting (horrid to say the least). Not too bad at all.

I wish I had more dramatic results to post, but I knew going into this that results are NOT immediate and any improvement I'm seeing right now is due to micro swelling. I wish that weren't the case, but such is life!

Hope everyone out there is doing fantastic and I'll be back tomorrow with even less dramatic results!!! eusa_dance.gif

God Bless!

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 07:21 PM

Day 6

Most redness is gone, for the most part, and the swelling is gone as well.

Not as itchy today and I would say that the majority of the scabs have flaked off. There's a stubborn patch on my left cheek that still hasn't sloughed off, but I'm cool with that.

Not much else to report. Wish I could add some more insight. My next treatment in July 19th. I guess I'll just update again after that treatment.

I seriously don't think anyone is reading this, but I hope I've helped spread some info to the .org community.

God Bless and I'll begin posting again after my 2nd treatment or if I notice any changes as a result of this 1st treatment smile.gif

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 08:26 PM

Thank you Sassy for updating us on your treatments and im sure it helps alot of people eusa_dance.gif ..i want to get the ematrix done but since i have deep acne scars i think the stronger fraxel repair would be a better route for me..once again thank you and i hope these treatments work out for you and you receive the results you so desire. cool.gif

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 07:35 AM

Sassy, keep the information coming. Very little is known about eMatrix.
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 07:50 AM

Just wanted to give another quick update.

No real changes from Day 6 except that my skin is returning to normal. I had a rough texture to the treatment areas for a few days, which I'm assuming was the dead skin being sloughed off.

That is no longer an issue and all redness is gone. I will say, some PIH I had on a few old spots is gone or 80% gone in my troubled areas. So, hey, that's a plus smile.gif

Still have micro swelling that allows my lil' ice picks to look less deep, so I'm cool with that too. Not sure how long that will last, but I'm enjoying it. The scars are still visible, just not a sharp looking.

I wanted to post especially to update that I had returned to my regular skin care regime with no problems. Yesterday I went back to using my reg. moisturizer (Mary Kay Timewise Oil Free w/ spf 15 mixed with Philosophy Power Booster Vit. C powder) and I used a lil' bit of liquid mineral concealer.

I washed my face last night with my regular glycerin bar soap from Carly's Clear and Smooth. I then followed that up with a swipe of Neutrogena Rapid Clear 2% salicylic acid pads, Philosophy's "When Hope is Not Enough" Vit C & E serum and my .025% tretinonin cream. I woke up this morning with nice skin that was a touch oiler than it's been in the past week which is common when I use the retin a cream.

So, I guess I'm back to the ol' skincare grind.

Hope this helps & God Bless eusa_angel.gif

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 09:11 PM

I am glad your treatment has gone well! I do have pictures of my scarring up there in the gallery...I checked and they are still there.

I just had my second treatment on Thursday and she went a little higher this time. I am more red and swollen and itchy already. I laughed when I read your brave attempt to Target. Since I can't be social I decided to paint my bathroom but ran out of paint. So I went to Lowes today with my red, gridded face covered in oily aquaphor type stuff and nobody seemed to stare or notice (and I know when people notice as I am used to people scanning my scars). I was surprised. Yeah, the grid marks last for a while which is annoying and powder only helps so much. I also had my neck and chest done and the marks stay longer there.

So, as far as improvement since my last treatment one month ago, I would say none, or just a little. We'll see but I do like this treatment!

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 06:56 AM

Trying Hard! Glad to have ya back. What treatment level did she use? As you probably saw, we only did a treatment B at 48 mj. I went back to my retin a couple of days ago and I think my nightly application may be a bit too much for my skin. I had really bad irritation on my treatment areas and the skin there is dryer than normal. I skipped my retin a last night and may skip it again tonight.

So you really haven't noticed a difference in your scarring? sad.gif That makes me sad for you. I've seen a micro-change. My scars are still very visible, to me at least, but one or two don't appear as sharp. I know this could be microswelling since it's only been just shy of 2 weeks since the procedure.

The cream I was given to use is great and not greasy like aquaphor, so I'm able to wear my mineral powder without too much problem. I only had two isolated areas done on my cheeks so I'm able to disguise my grid marks a bit better with my hair.

I'm having treatment 2 on July 19th and I have no idea whether or not she's going to go higher. I guess I'll find out when I get there!!

Thanks for updating and keep it up! I think we're the only 2 people on the planet having this done!!

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 07:12 AM

Trying Hard,
You're gonna think I'm an idiot, but I tried looking for your pictures again and nothing is coming up in the gallery, even when I do a search using your name. Either I'm computer inept or I just can't find it. Are they listed under a different name?

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 08:17 AM

Let me look again for the pics and I will tell you where they are like page number.

The first treatment I had was a low C. I asked her if she would up it this time and she said yes, but not to the highest C that she wanted to take the same steps she gives everyone. I can tell she upped it though because I am redder and still swollen today on day 3. She stuck with the B on my neck because the neck cannot take as much as the face. Last time my neck took a lot longer to heal.

Well, perhaps I can see a very teeny improvement but not a ton. I have found with lasers they really do take a little while with building up collagen and such, unless you are doing a full force profractional. I had the mixto profractional two years ago, then the coolglide laser 6 months after that. I have seen improvement since both of those but it took a little time.

I have a combo treatment pack of stuff for aftercare. I have a cleanser, the aquaphor stuff which is called "ointment" lol and then a cream. I have found I like using the ointment the first couple days and then moving to cream. The ointment does make me get one or two small whiteheads but those don't bother me much.

My practioner said not to use Retina A for about a week or two after the procedure but I have decided not to use it at all unless I am spot treating a random zit. I don't want to chance irritation.

Yes, I am having my whole face done, along with my neck and chest. She basically is doing my chest for free since I had "extra" shots left with the tip. She did that the first time and last time I asked her if she had extra could she do my chest again. I figure why not. I am 37, not wrinkled but considering it a preventative measure. I have some light crows feet and a little upper lip wrinkles that i figured I could zap while I am in there for my cheeks:)

I still like the laser though. I like that it is ablative, obviously getting in there, without the removal of upper layers of skin. I was surprised to read that you oozed. That mixto profractional kind of freaked me out and it took my skin a long time to heal. The grid marks were annoying me and the lady at that place told me to use a soft scrub on my face to remove it. Well it made my skin MUCH drier, and for 5 months my face didn't feel right. Constantly really dry and it hurt to do things like smile. So this time around I almost did another profractional, the sciton, but decided not to. My scars don't bother me as much as they used to and I figured I can live with them:) I think the truth is scars never go away, but I do think the texture can be improved.

I also noticed two things contributed to my scarring looking worse when I got into my mid 30s. I got on accutane in my early 30s, got steroid shots for back problems in my mid 30s and those two things along with just natural aging made my scarring look worse. The face tends to hollow which makes them much more apparent. I have also thought about autologous procedure which is taking fat from one part of the body and filling it in the cheeks. We'll see. I am optimistic more treatments will be available:)

I hope your skin is not too dry today and it's great you only have mild cheek scarring!

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 08:27 AM

You know, they are gone! I don't know why. I did have an account problem where I couldn't perform any actions and had to have them fix it, so maybe in that process they were erased? Weird. I am 99% sure I didn't take them down. I am not sure if I have those pics saved anywhere! That sucks because I wanted to compare. I will look around and see if I can find what my scarring looked like two years ago.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 08:49 AM

Thanks for the reply! I'm 35, so it looks like we're in this whole "Let's fight acne scars and aging at the same time!" battle together! I agree that aging takes it's toll.

I was surprised about the oozing too! I guess I'm that unlucky 1% that might get this side effect. It really only happened the night of the procedure when I applied more cream. I wonder if I rubbed the cream in too hard? It wasn't all over and really only on the right cheek where I feel she did a tight grid coverage. It all came off in the shower though and had no lasting effect. It was funny, I didn't necessarily scab in ALL the areas. Weird, huh? But where I had the oozing, I had the most scabbing and peeling. Perhaps my skin is just goofy in these areas, and that's the reason I have scarring there to begin with.

Since I'm only paying $250, I guess she doesn't feel the need to cover more areas than we originally discussed. I know she has to throw the treatment tip away anyhow, but I really didn't want to look like pin face all over anyways so it was fine for me. I DO still have some faint redness in the areas that were treated. Once I have my makeup on you can't really tell, but I kinda thought the redness would have dissipated by now. Maybe the Retin A is irritating the skin too much.

I'm happy you did see some improvement after your other lasers. I had a micro laser peel done with the Sciton laser back in March and talked w/ the Dr. about going deeper. So that's always a possibility too.

Keep updating so we can follow each others progress and compare notes!

God Bless!

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 07:25 AM

Yes, they wanted to do a sciton micro and profractional on me. What did you think of the micropeel?

I suggest not using retin a much while doing this:) Sounds like it is not letting your skin heal from the ematrix. And I don't think the oozing is a big deal, just surprised me:)

And for anyone else reading this, the ematrix is great for people with darker skin tones. This is a "color blind" treatment so those who could not get profractional treatments in fear of discoloration do not have to worry with this one.

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 07:52 AM

The micro laser peel was okay. It really is just equivalent to 4-5 microdermabrasions. I ended up getting a couple pimples from the aquaphor and I also had an allergic reaction to it that caused unusual swelling. I ended up taking Benadryl to help with that. It was only 10 microns deep so doesn't do anything by itself for scarring. However, from what I've read on these boards and other boards, combining it with the profractional is a good idea.

I've skipped my Retin A for the past two nights and I think I'm gonna have to do that for a while. My skin is dry and crepe-y in the areas on my cheeks where I had the treatment done. I was told it was okay to use a week after treatment, but I guess everyone is different!

How are you healing today?




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