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Chinese doctors acknowledge liver stones

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Because North American doctors don't want you to be healthy, cause if you were, you wouldn't go see them and you wouldn't give all your money to them.

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According to that link, 1/3 of chinese people (who eat much more healthy than the average American) have these stones, and they mention that they find them in autopsies.

Ofcourse most people don't get autopsied, but besides Curezone, there is another place that has a picture of an autopsied liver with a stone blocking the bile duct.

http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/LIV...L/LIVER022.html

So the next time your doctor tells you that livers don't have cholesterol stones say: :naughty::liar::snooty:

The truth is out there Scully, ya just gotta look in the right places.... :ph34r: :think:

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Because North American doctors don't want you to be healthy, cause if you were, you wouldn't go see them and you wouldn't give all your money to them.

Illusion is the first of all pleasures.

-Oscar Wilde


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... No.

Chinese doctors will also recommend putting needles into your ass to cure a headache. You all have to get over that you have acne; doctors aren't at fault despite how easy it is to share the blame with them.

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... No.

Chinese doctors will also recommend putting needles into your ass to cure a headache. You all have to get over that you have acne; doctors aren't at fault despite how easy it is to share the blame with them.

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^^ Well, when everyone gets sick and dies because all the doctors are in court being sued, everyone will suddenly see the light. Just wait a few years.


Illusion is the first of all pleasures.

-Oscar Wilde


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Hmm...this weekend I happend to catch the last minutes of movie that was about a boy with Siezures ("First Do No Harm" ???). The doctors were frowning (because the evidence was anectodal) on the mother taking him off his meds (that didnt work) and flying him down to Jons Hopkins to follow the Ketogenic Diet.

As soon as I heard that I thought about low carbing and how reducing gluten was found to help those that had siezures, ADHD, and Autism too. Although this diet is based around 90% fat, because apparently there is something about carbohydrates that lowers the ketones (comes from burning fat for energy) which seem to play some role (they still don't know) in siezures. Some of the actors in the movie were former siezures patients and after 2 - 4 years of following the Ketogenic Diet, they were able to be siezure and usually medication free for 10, 20, or more years after on a regular diet!

I recently found out that through the use of accupuncture acne and even hirsutism has been corrected! Wow, that means a lot to me for that's the other side of the coin I must deal with thanks to my hormonal imbalance. Unfortunately my former hospital (military) actually had an Alternative Therapies dept that actually performed accupunture for 3 years now, but my regular doctors never told me about it. Now I can't go there and get free healthcare because I'm too old =( Although, what's good about this dept is that they test out the effectiveness of the latest alternative therapies as well, so they aren't just following anecdotal evidence.

The thing that I try to get across to most of you is that if you have a (unknowingly) serious hormonal imbalance, the LONGER you wait to find the right answers, the more out of control your hormones will get. I tried since the age of 11 to get answers and my doctors didn't put me on meds then. I tried at the age of 13 to see an endocrinologist but my hospital wouldn't run one the essential tests for my dx because they were from an outside doctor! A lot things that happened for me positively with future doctors and endocrinologists were flukes. Just like the mother in that movie, she said that she's still angry at those doctors for not listening, from keeping such simple information from her, and wasting her sons time. That's something that I occassionally battle with too.


These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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Hmm...this weekend I happend to catch the last minutes of movie that was about a boy with Siezures ("First Do No Harm" ???).  The doctors were frowning (because the evidence was anectodal) on the mother taking him off his meds (that didnt work) and flying him down to Jons Hopkins to follow the Ketogenic Diet.

As soon as I heard that I thought about low carbing and how reducing gluten was found to help those that had siezures, ADHD, and Autism too.  Although this diet is based around 90% fat, because apparently there is something about carbohydrates that lowers the ketones (comes from burning fat for energy) which seem to play some role (they still don't know) in siezures.  Some of the actors in the movie were former siezures patients and after 2 - 4 years of following the Ketogenic Diet, they were able to be siezure and usually medication free for 10, 20, or more years after on a regular diet!

I recently found out that through the use of accupuncture acne and even hirsutism has been corrected!  Wow, that means a lot to me for that's the other side of the coin I must deal with thanks to my hormonal imbalance.  Unfortunately my former hospital (military) actually had an Alternative Therapies dept that actually performed accupunture for 3 years now, but my regular doctors never told me about it.  Now I can't go there and get free healthcare because I'm too old  =( Although, what's good about this dept is that they test out the effectiveness of the latest alternative therapies as well, so they aren't just following anecdotal evidence.

The thing that I try to get across to most of you is that if you have a (unknowingly) serious hormonal imbalance, the LONGER you wait to find the right answers, the more out of control your hormones will get.  I tried since the age of 11 to get answers and my doctors didn't put me on meds then.  I tried at the age of 13 to see an endocrinologist but my hospital wouldn't run one the essential tests for my dx because they were from an outside doctor!  A lot things that happened for me positively with future doctors and endocrinologists were flukes.  Just like the mother in that movie, she said that she's still angry at those doctors for not listening, from keeping such simple information from her, and wasting her sons time.  That's something that I occassionally battle with too.

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Hey Scorpion Vixen...I think that would be good but please please please EVERYONE.....please understand that doing flushing without bowel cleansing is almost pointless. If you have stones, you also probably have a congested colon as well. When you flush your liver and do NOTHING to push the toxins out, you are setting yourself up for breakouts.

I've repeated this on the boards so many times, and people do not understand that I made this mistake and got terrible breakouts after my third flush. The toxins and stones get trapped in the small intestine and colon, where they get recirculated through the liver and the toxins go through the skin. This is unbelievably important.

I recall that Maya said that she got a few breakouts also but when she got her colonic, they went away.

It's unbelievably common to get breakouts when you flush *IF* you don't do an enema or get a colonic, and take a lot of fiber while you are passing stones.

Please everyone....this is unbelievably important. Most people don't understand how important this step is until AFTER they get bad breakouts. Bowel cleansing is just as important as liverflushing.

Liverflushing most certainly regulates hormones, but if you have a congested colon, then you will still get breakouts, even if you are stone free. It's a huge piece of the puzzle, but not the whole thing.

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Hey Scorpion Vixen...I think that would be good but please please please EVERYONE.....please understand that doing flushing without bowel cleansing is almost pointless.  If you have stones, you also probably have a congested colon as well.  When you flush your liver and do NOTHING to push the toxins out, you are setting yourself up for breakouts.

I've repeated this on the boards so many times, and people do not understand that I made this mistake and got terrible breakouts after my third flush. The toxins and stones get trapped in the small intestine and colon, where they get recirculated through the liver and the toxins go through the skin.  This is unbelievably important. 

I recall that Maya said that she got a few breakouts also but when she got her colonic, they went away.

It's unbelievably common to get breakouts when you flush *IF* you don't do an enema or get a colonic, and take a lot of fiber while you are passing stones.

Please everyone....this is unbelievably important.  Most people don't understand how important this step is until AFTER they get bad breakouts.  Bowel cleansing is just as important as liverflushing.

Liverflushing most certainly regulates hormones, but if you have a congested colon, then you will still get breakouts, even if you are stone free.  It's a huge piece of the puzzle, but not the whole thing.

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Scorpion,

Most definately keep taking the spiro, especially while doing the liver flushes. Eventually you will have to decide if you want to decrease your dose or remove it entirely though. Heed Denise's warnings, because I did my first flush and had NO breakouts, but I realize now that it was due to being protected by Avandia and Spiro (so keep using it). This time around, I had been off of Spiro for 6 or 7 months and had no protection, despite my success with dietary changes, I broke out with cysts for nearly a month!!!

Also, do you only have acne or do you also have a level of hirsutism or androgenic alopecia? I ask because if you have hair growth issues you will need to find a suitable replacement, as in DHT inhibitor or Anti-androgen, that is natural if you plan on going off the Spiro. Otherwise, within a matter of months, the hair that fell out and new hair that was being prevented from growing, will start to grow in places you really won't like. =/ That's what I'm experiencing now, but I've found a natural regimen that seems very hopeful and I'll be starting it as soon as my final package arrives.

Take Care

P.S. You may want to stop taking it for 1 week prior though. It takes 2 - 3 months to go out of your system, so it's not a problem if you don't take it for a week. Heck, I used to take Spiro sporadically after awhile. It wasn't until I completely stopped for several months that I started to see some more unwanted hair growth.


These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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Scorpion,

  Most definately keep taking the spiro, especially while doing the liver flushes.  Eventually you will have to decide if you want to decrease your dose or remove it entirely though.  Heed Denise's warnings, because I did my first flush and had NO breakouts, but I realize now that it was due to being protected by Avandia and Spiro (so keep using it).  This time around, I had been off of Spiro for 6 or 7 months and had no protection, despite my success with dietary changes, I broke out with cysts for nearly a month!!! 

Also, do you only have acne or do you also have a level of hirsutism or androgenic alopecia?  I ask because if you have hair growth issues you will need to find a suitable replacement, as in DHT inhibitor or Anti-androgen, that is natural if you plan on going off the Spiro.  Otherwise, within a matter of months, the hair that fell out and new hair that was being prevented from growing, will start to grow in places you really won't like.  =/  That's what I'm experiencing now, but I've found a natural regimen that seems very hopeful and I'll be starting it as soon as my final package arrives.

Take Care

P.S.  You may want to stop taking it for 1 week prior though.  It takes 2 - 3 months to go out of your system, so it's not a problem if you don't take it for a week.  Heck, I used to take Spiro sporadically after awhile.  It wasn't until I completely stopped for several months that I started to see some more unwanted hair growth.

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