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A Zinc-less Zinc Regimen for Adults: Draft 4

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#521 Oner

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:45 PM

I also want to add that there was a time when I was living in central america and my sleep schedule was very regular. I went to bed at the same time every night and was outside all day with my eyes exposed to sunlight. I lived in a village without electricity where everyone went to bed once the sun went down. We were rarely inside, as the rooms were incredibly small. Under databased's theory, I wouldn't have had acne during this time but I did have a lot. I don't doubt that this didn't work for him but for me it did not. Acne is multifactorial. During this time in central america, i most likely masturbated freely which affects acne. Also alot of the families used soybean oil to cook with, which always makes my acne worse. I'm not sure if databased's cure is the best. For my lifestyle, it would be impractical and tedious. But I respect your determination. Just my two cents. 



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:30 PM

Hi guys! please check out my thread here:

 

http://www.acne.org/...eroxide-theory/

 

It is related to zinc superoxide dismutase.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:10 PM

Just curious, but when you talked about how you initially did a superdose of 200mg of zinc how long did you do that for?



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:05 AM

Hi everyone. 

 

Here's one possible reason why databased had better digestion and less acne when he started to go outdoors:

 

Daylight contains significant amounts of red light and near-infrared radiation (NIR), which increase tissue metabolism and decrease inflammation, mainly by activating cytochrome c oxidase in the mitochondria, directly. They have actually quite huge effects on many diseases:

 

http://180degreeheal...never-heard-of/

 

In theory, a similar effect could be achieved with incandescent bulbs or heat lamps, but not energy-saving bulbs.

 

In one study, at least red light had a good effect on acne: http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3352636/

 

In that study, they also tried near-infrared of 890nm for acne, but it didn't work. One reason could be that the wavelength they used (890nm) might be bad at activating cytochrome c oxidase (Cox). Certain wavelengths are better, and some are worse: http://www.isan.troi...s/publ3/344.pdf (Figure 1).

 

Databased wrote about ZSOD, and it appears that red light and infrared, by activating Cox, also increases ZOD concentrations: http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2637249/ "superoxide dismutase activities were also increased in NIL-treated subjects in a dose-dependent manner, suggesting an in vivo transcranial effect of NIL."


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:22 PM

Interesting. Seems like that Matt Stone guy sold out, which is a shame, i enjoyed that site, was a nice balance to some of the paleoextremism that seems to have taken over.

 

I need to look through this later.

 

Also a shame this guy stopped posting. I guess his regime works. This was some of the only stuff on this site that actually seemed to be going somewhere.

 

Gut health / digestion - gut-brain axis etc is the future people. 

 

Malabsorption is where it's at baby. 



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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:59 PM

So, databased's idea about getting skylight into his eyes all boiled down to one goal: a big melatonin surge that helps produce zinc superoxide dismutase to combat superoxide anions in keratinocytes. I looked it up, and keratinocytes are found in the upper layer of skin, the epidermis. I have cystic acne that's probably caused by sebaceous glands getting plugged. I looked that up too, and those are apparently in the dermis, below the keratinocyte-populated epidermis. As far as I can tell, the dermis doesn't have keratinocytes. Any idea if this zinc superoxide dismutase surge would have any effect on cystic acne caused by plugged sebaceous glands, which are away from keratinocytes (which is where the superoxide anion problem occurs)?

 

Or do I not have the mechanics of this correct?

 

Man, I wish databased was still here ... such an interesting dude.

 

(Also, haha, I couldn't help noticing this thread is tagged with "vegetarian" and "depression." Wha?)


Edited by baloo, 08 February 2014 - 11:01 PM.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:43 AM

Databased wrote about ZSOD, and it appears that red light and infrared, by activating Cox, also increases ZOD concentrations: http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2637249/ "superoxide dismutase activities were also increased in NIL-treated subjects in a dose-dependent manner, suggesting an in vivo transcranial effect of NIL."

Possibly relevant, but unconvincing. They appear to be talking about increasing SOD in the (rodent) brain via infrared exposure of the retina. That's nice and interestingly weird, but the brain is pretty isolated from the rest of the body and crammed full of cell types that the skin is not. It seems more exciting to me as evidence that sunlight in the eye still has brain effects that remain undiscovered.






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