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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:29 PM

Hello everyone,

I'm new here, and I also have seb derm. I have spent years trying to get rid of it and/or hide it. It can get really bad, especially with those flare ups..anyhow, I think I found a solution to all of our problems. I have tried these products for a week and my skin has never looked better. The best thing is that you only have to make a quick trip to Walgreens to purchase them. The prices aren't too bad either.

1.)Basis Sensitive Skin Bar http://www.walgreens...od10784-product

2.)Eucerin Redness Relief Soothing Night Creme http://www.walgreens...1401815-product

3.)Gold Bond Ultimate Healing http://www.walgreens...d398549-product

4.}Shampoo of your choice, make sure it's not too harsh and try to avoid getting too much on your face.

First of all, only wash your face with this soap. It's very gentle and it cleanses your face. The Eucerin creme is meant to be used overnight. Just apply a fine layer over the red areas and it will practically eliminate it by the time you wake up. The Gold Bond lotion is like a spot treatment for seb derm, it quickly gets rid of flakiness and redness, but try not to use too much. In addition, try eliminating bread and potato from your diet. These two things were the culprits behind my harsh flare ups, maybe it is for you too. Well this is my treatment and hopefully it helps someone out, if you do try please post your results as I would like to know if it worked for anyone else.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:45 AM

do you apply the Eucerin first then Gold Bond or not together?

what zinc pyrnthione spray are u using?

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:03 AM

For those of you who's Seborrheic Dermatitis is not resolved by conventional means (antibiotics, antifungal creams, supplements, steroids, strict anti-candida diet, changing toothpaste, washing pillows, and so on), you may want to look into Democidosis. Democidosis can mimic seborrhea and rosacea. Basically, it's mites that live on our skin and it's the abundance of these Demodex mites that are causing the sebum plugs, acne, and flakes. It may be common if you live in a dusty household or you don't wash your mattress or pillow, etc. There are two types of mites - one that lives in our hair follicles and one that lives inside our sebaceous glands. They feed off sebum so if you have oily skin, this might be it. Other criteria are - crawling or stinging sensation, especially at night or flushing of skin. Democidosis is closely related to Rosacea and there's alot of research ongoing about it. Alot of derms do not recognize Demodex as the problem since they are not taught in the medical books about it, but the new research should shed some light on it.

I'm still a little skeptical of it myself but right now, I am experimenting with a few products. I am taking Saw Palmetto to reduce the sebum production on my chin where the flakes and plugs are and so far, I've seen a good 20% improvement. It's been Day 3 for me. Today, I'm tackling the problem topically with Crotamiton 10% (it has SLS though..) and a spray that uses Seabuckthorn Oil and other star ingredients from a British skincare company. I'll try to update if I see any improvement or not. I've tried so many natural alternatives and prescriptions like Finacea, Loprox, Ketoconazole, Econazole, oral Diflucan, antibiotics like Minocycline, and saw no improvement whatsoever. So I am hoping my solution works and it is the mites that's causing me havoc.

So yeah, just wanted to let others know if the Seborrheic Dermatitis isn't resolved by conventional means, then it is something else like Democidosis. It can even be GI related like the so called Leaky Gut Syndrome. I personally don't believe it, but 2 weeks ago, I had Allergic Esophagitis secondary to GERD and the doctor pointed me out that there is a connection between the seb derm I have on my face and the esophagitis, hence why I am taking antihistamines and trying to fix my GERD. Research, research, research!

Edit: I am also doing the following:
-Anti-mite pillow cover/mattress
-Fermented foods
-No supplements, vitamins by food sources only.
-Antihistamines PRN

If I saw 20% improvement by Day 3 just by the Saw Palmetto alone, then I believe it will work for everyone if you simply use anti-androgen sources or something like Accutane to reduce sebum production. I'm just going the extra mile by assuming it's a mite infestation so I'll keep up to date if my trials work.

Edited by okiedokie123, 14 October 2012 - 03:31 AM.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:35 AM

Im so on the same page with you okiedokie. I have rosacea and seb derm and all the topicals and meds you mentioned, I have tried and they didnt work. I believe my issue is demodex related but you are right about derms not recognizing its relevance to rosacea and it being the cause. I am only getting worse after severe dietary changes two years ago that have prooved pointless. My skin was actually better when I ate crappy. Each day I wake to a new red welt like bump, either on my jawline (where they itch) and some flat red spots that are concentrated on the insides of my cheeks. I pretty much play connect the dots each day, spot treating and covering them. Its exhausting trying to keep up and has wreaked havoc with my mind and has sent me into a severe depression. I too have tried products with seabuckthorn oil in them and each time I try it, I wake to more red spots. I believe whats happening are the mites are being stirred by the seabuckthorn and therefore dying and leaving their fecal bacteria on my skin. I cant seem to ever make it thru trying it. Has that been happening to you?

As far as my chin goes, I have similiar plugs that you mentioned. They are mostly concentrated in the conrner down toward my chin and across the crease. They are white and look like clogged pores because there seem to be hardened sebum inside the pore. I can sometimes extract them but they refill and eventually harden up again. It seems to be the exact same pore which indicates to me that the demodex likes this spot. If I leave the spot alone, it will never go away. Ive tried all sal acid, and AHA treatments as well as retinoids and a tea tree oil serum I have that has seabuckthorn in it but even that didnt get rid or prevent them.

I have tried Saw Palmetto in the past but felt every time I took it I would get a huge lump or breakup on jawline. I do feel this is a seperate issue from the rest of my face and indicates something hormonal. I am on bioidentical hormone cream too and that has not helped either. Its a mix of estrogen and progesterone but Im thinking that my estrogen needs to be upped because my progesterone might be too high and not in balance with the estrogen. I am 45 and in menopause and all this has made everything worse. I am having bloodwork for the gazillionth time this week so I will get a better idean about the hormone portion. Im wondering if I can try Saw Palmetto again on the hormone cream. I will have to look into that.

I too change my sheets and pillows and just flipped my bed to ensure they are free of mites. I also purchased a zippered plastic covering for my mattress and pillow case so these suckers would be suffocated. I am taking a zyrtec as well and my supplements are betaine HCL to aid digestion and help with food breakdown, creon ( a pancreatic enzyme), Glutamine to help repair gut damage from years of antibiotics and help restore balance to my GI system, Vitiamin E, D3 and a 50 billion probiotic.

BTW, I also tried low dose accutante last year (20mg once a week) and it made my seborrhea sooo much worse. I really had high hopes for that one but it seem to kick up the sebhorrheic derm for some reason. I was so dry everywhere and it was a disgusting mess of congestion of clogged pores with trapped sebum and flakes all over the sides of my face. Horrible!!!!!! Keep posting, I curious as to how this will work for you

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:22 AM

Anyone on here ever experience the crusting from SD?


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:31 PM



Do you have a gut issue like GERD? You are taking quite a handful of supplements, have you seen any remarkable improvement with those? I took supplements just like that and ended up breaking out even worse. When you take supplements, your body is like “WTF do I do with this?” It helps some, but not a whole lot compared to regular whole foods that the body can recognize and easily digest. It’s difficult to self-diagnose GI problems.

I forgot to mention that I am taking ACV and Aloe Vera to calm my GERD and it is helping in combination of Saw Palmetto which is reducing my sebum production on my face. Fixing GI problem + reducing sebum production = success. If seb derm is an indicator of GI problems, then this may very well be my GERD. Aloe vera helps coat the LES while ACV helps to better digest foods. For the past 3-5 years I have been chewing food fast and eating carelessly. That’s a no bueno.

I think you have a hormonal imbalance if you broke out taking Saw Palmetto. Do you have oily skin? Sebum overproduction = hormonal imbalance. I know because I abstained from masturbation in conjunction with Saw palmetto and saw good skin again although flakes/sebum plugs persist on chin but only a smaller amount now. If you can find something else to reduce sebum production, then it may very well help you. It doesn’t have to be Accutane but something else. For that, I would not know what works for you but keep on trying to find one that works.

What you said about the mites are true. When they are abundant and die, the bacterial toxin B. oleronius causes inflammatory response from our skin. There’s a connection between this and Rosacea. But how else can you kill mites/bacteria? If you take Antibiotics its only targeting the bacterial problem, not the mites. For that, you need anti parasitic drugs like Permethrin 5%, oral Ivermectin, Benzyl Benzoate, or Crotamiton 10%. If you break out initially, it may be a good thing because it’s killing the mites. However, because the mites lay eggs inside our sebaceous glands and it takes a week before they hatch, it may take some time before the breakouts stop. This is my theory though. I believe some drugs target mites and eggs which would be beneficial. The goal ultimately is to reduce their numbers.

So far,
To sum it up:
1. Reducing sebum production – Reduces seborrheic dermatitis and mite infestation (cutting off food source)
2. Fixing GI problem – Seb derm is a sign of a GI problem like Esophagitis and GERD. Fix that, and the seb derm goes away with time.
3. Covering up – I only recommend plucking flakes/sebum plugs with tweezer when going out. You could substitute with greasy occlusions to smother the mites and let them die but in turn, it causes breakouts. It’s only good short term. If it’s a long term problem like mites or GI issue, then it’s no good doing this. I have experimented with this in Vaseline and Shea Butter. If anyone else have ideas to “cover up” let me know.

Update Day 4 (Day 2 on these products):
Crotamiton 10% on one side got rid of several plugs but maybe they got removed while I'm tossing and turning in bed. Not sure. I felt a burning sensation whenever I applied this on. It has to be the SLS in it. The brand name is Eurax from the UK.

The Salcura DermaSpray with the Seabuckthorn oil as the main ingredient ....I can't say for certain it's working since alot of the ingredients in it are oils and oils feed mites. This can be contraindication.

I'll give it a week of experiment before I decide if topicals are working or not. If they do not work, then I do not have a mite problem after all..or rather, I'm cutting off their food source by reducing sebum. :). But other than that, my improvements are due to Saw Palmetto, abstinence of masturbation (anything that can cause hormonal imbalance in your body), and eating the right way (fermented foods, aloe vera, ACV, etc).

Anyone on here ever experience the crusting from SD?


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Hard to say. I don't have any crusting right now but I did a year ago. I don't know what could attribute to the crusting though. Perhaps humidity?

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:34 PM




Do you have a gut issue like GERD? You are taking quite a handful of supplements, have you seen any remarkable improvement with those? I took supplements just like that and ended up breaking out even worse. When you take supplements, your body is like “WTF do I do with this?” It helps some, but not a whole lot compared to regular whole foods that the body can recognize and easily digest. It’s difficult to self-diagnose GI problems.

I forgot to mention that I am taking ACV and Aloe Vera to calm my GERD and it is helping in combination of Saw Palmetto which is reducing my sebum production on my face. Fixing GI problem + reducing sebum production = success. If seb derm is an indicator of GI problems, then this may very well be my GERD. Aloe vera helps coat the LES while ACV helps to better digest foods. For the past 3-5 years I have been chewing food fast and eating carelessly. That’s a no bueno.

I think you have a hormonal imbalance if you broke out taking Saw Palmetto. Do you have oily skin? Sebum overproduction = hormonal imbalance. I know because I abstained from masturbation in conjunction with Saw palmetto and saw good skin again although flakes/sebum plugs persist on chin but only a smaller amount now. If you can find something else to reduce sebum production, then it may very well help you. It doesn’t have to be Accutane but something else. For that, I would not know what works for you but keep on trying to find one that works.

What you said about the mites are true. When they are abundant and die, the bacterial toxin B. oleronius causes inflammatory response from our skin. There’s a connection between this and Rosacea. But how else can you kill mites/bacteria? If you take Antibiotics its only targeting the bacterial problem, not the mites. For that, you need anti parasitic drugs like Permethrin 5%, oral Ivermectin, Benzyl Benzoate, or Crotamiton 10%. If you break out initially, it may be a good thing because it’s killing the mites. However, because the mites lay eggs inside our sebaceous glands and it takes a week before they hatch, it may take some time before the breakouts stop. This is my theory though. I believe some drugs target mites and eggs which would be beneficial. The goal ultimately is to reduce their numbers.

So far,
To sum it up:
1. Reducing sebum production – Reduces seborrheic dermatitis and mite infestation (cutting off food source)
2. Fixing GI problem – Seb derm is a sign of a GI problem like Esophagitis and GERD. Fix that, and the seb derm goes away with time.
3. Covering up – I only recommend plucking flakes/sebum plugs with tweezer when going out. You could substitute with greasy occlusions to smother the mites and let them die but in turn, it causes breakouts. It’s only good short term. If it’s a long term problem like mites or GI issue, then it’s no good doing this. I have experimented with this in Vaseline and Shea Butter. If anyone else have ideas to “cover up” let me know.

Update Day 4 (Day 2 on these products):
Crotamiton 10% on one side got rid of several plugs but maybe they got removed while I'm tossing and turning in bed. Not sure. I felt a burning sensation whenever I applied this on. It has to be the SLS in it. The brand name is Eurax from the UK.

The Salcura DermaSpray with the Seabuckthorn oil as the main ingredient ....I can't say for certain it's working since alot of the ingredients in it are oils and oils feed mites. This can be contraindication.

I'll give it a week of experiment before I decide if topicals are working or not. If they do not work, then I do not have a mite problem after all..or rather, I'm cutting off their food source by reducing sebum. Posted Image. But other than that, my improvements are due to Saw Palmetto, abstinence of masturbation (anything that can cause hormonal imbalance in your body), and eating the right way (fermented foods, aloe vera, ACV, etc).

Anyone on here ever experience the crusting from SD?


I need answers... Posted Image


Hard to say. I don't have any crusting right now but I did a year ago. I don't know what could attribute to the crusting though. Perhaps humidity?


Crusting as in literally a yellow crust that is painful when removed and just recrusts again. My GP said its SD but i've found little sites that mention this as a side effect, He said i could have a mild case. i don't know.
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 08:12 PM

so hows it going? Im so chicken to start the oral invermectin but nothing will stop my skin from forming these plugs. Its such a continual cycle of picking them out and they are hard and really stuck in there. most just pop right out and i can actually see the little seed. I swear i wish i knew how to stop them from forming once i get them out. the picking is out of hand and they are woven so tight around the follicle. what do i have and why can any derm figure it out. as i sit here typing my stomach is making gurggling and churnning noises as well. So maybe its GERD. Ive done thea aloe vera thing and it did help. maybe its time to revisit that and ACV orally cause topically its too rough on my skin. makes me flake even more and then the plugs harden more

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 02:12 AM

Forgot this thread.

Crotamiton 10% was a step in the right direction as it seemed to have gotten rid of the flakes (or it could've been the saw palmetto) but it actually irritated my skin very much due to the SLS. I have pimples because of it near my chin. So I discontinued use.

The Salcura DermaSpray did not seem to do anything. It made my skin oilier, which actually is good for mites/dandruff. So I also discontinued that. There was no indication that this would treat Democidosis or Seborrheic Dermatitis anyway, just a product I wanted to try out.

Saw Palmetto seemed to have the greatest effect, by reducing sebum production. That and Green Tea. I have the problem mostly around my chin and upper neck area, which tells me this is a hormonal problem, I think.

Now I'm testing Zinc Pyrithione. I tried the soap but it broke me out so now I'm trying out the spray to see if it has any effect. It burns but goes away in 30 minutes. Can't say for certain if it's working or not.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 07:57 PM

what zinc pyrithione spray? and what soap did you try? I ve tried Dermadoctors Born to be Mild cleanser which is ok and Cynthia Bailey MD calming zinc bar and the Dermadoctors is actually gentlier which is weird because the other only has three ingredients: zinc pyrithione, olive oil and shea butter. I want to like it but it doesnt remove my flakes and make my face feel smooth like the dermadoctors cleasner does. It doesnt lather which I like but for some reason is leaves me dryer and my sebum plugs look so dry that I want to go crazy and dig each of them out...what cleanser are we suppose to use? If you got pimples from the croatamiton than mabye it WAS working. I know how hard it is to stick with something so Im not the best judge. I would have quit too. Im running out of options and I dont know what to do. And all the while ,my stomach is gurgling and churning making weird sounds as I type this. There has to be a connection between the stomach and all of this. I take probiotics, digestive enzymes and drink ACV in water after a meal plus I take Betaine HCL to help with stomach acid.. Im even trying to repair my stomach and make it not so sensitive to foods by taking glutamime. None of its working!

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 12:05 PM

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 11:50 PM

what zinc pyrithione spray? and what soap did you try? I ve tried Dermadoctors Born to be Mild cleanser which is ok and Cynthia Bailey MD calming zinc bar and the Dermadoctors is actually gentlier which is weird because the other only has three ingredients: zinc pyrithione, olive oil and shea butter. I want to like it but it doesnt remove my flakes and make my face feel smooth like the dermadoctors cleasner does. It doesnt lather which I like but for some reason is leaves me dryer and my sebum plugs look so dry that I want to go crazy and dig each of them out...what cleanser are we suppose to use? If you got pimples from the croatamiton than mabye it WAS working. I know how hard it is to stick with something so Im not the best judge. I would have quit too. Im running out of options and I dont know what to do. And all the while ,my stomach is gurgling and churning making weird sounds as I type this. There has to be a connection between the stomach and all of this. I take probiotics, digestive enzymes and drink ACV in water after a meal plus I take Betaine HCL to help with stomach acid.. Im even trying to repair my stomach and make it not so sensitive to foods by taking glutamime. None of its working!


SkinZinc spray. I stopped that too because I couldn't bear the burning and I tested it for about a week. No luck. Neither with the Salicyclic acid creams. I'm allergic to SLS so there's no point to using Crotamiton. To my surprise, the remaining flakes/plugs or whatever disappeared after using Selsun Blue on my chin despite the irritating ALS. Still some here and there but no where near as bad as before. I think weather seems to help some too, because where I live, the low humidity inhibits growth whereas during the summer, it was hot and humid which caused a huge outbreak of seb derm on my chin...or so it seems. At that time, my hormones were raging too and I had extremely oily skin.

Environmental: Look @ weather, stress, dust, dirty hygiene
Internal: GI problems like EE, lack of good flora, sleep deprived, malnourishment, hormone fluctuation, vitamin deficiency, etc.
External: Look at fungal or possible mite infestation
Overall: Dry, non-oily skin = seborrhea will likely stop...Externally, nothing can feed on skin because little to no sebum. Internally, you're supporting your body's largest organ by eating correctly, getting all your normal vitamins, balancing your hormones, etc. Environmentally, you're checking your surroundings for potential causes.

Try using Selsun Blue or find a Selenium Sulfide alternative.



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Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:25 AM

so my nose and cheeks where my pores are huge constantly feel grainy to the touch. When i rub my ringers over them, little hard plugs or grains release out of the pore with very little effort. Some times they stuck in a little deeper and need a little prying to get them to lift out. Overall the area is dry as a bone with flaking but what do these hardend white pieces represent? Seb derm, oily skin, or dry skin? Ive tried mimiking my sebum with a combo of jojoba oil and an hylaronic acid moistuirzer for better delivery and that didnt help. Ive alternated with hemp oil as it has less of an oleic content but no go either. Ive washed with Dermadoctors Born to be mild cleanser with pyrthione zinc and it helps smooth but plugs resurface as the day goes on. I just dont know what im treating and if this grainy-ness is a component of seb derm. I already eat no yeast, processed foods or sugar. I take a 50billion probiotic every day and cut my supplements down to vitamin b complex, e, d3 and a yeast defense supplement. I have elidel cream but its too thick to apply to my nose and cheeks because they're so clogged and dry already and that stuff doesnt moisturize at all. I might try the saw palmetto again or b5 again because i cant stand plucking these things out constantly

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:15 AM

so my nose and cheeks where my pores are huge constantly feel grainy to the touch. When i rub my ringers over them, little hard plugs or grains release out of the pore with very little effort. Some times they stuck in a little deeper and need a little prying to get them to lift out. Overall the area is dry as a bone with flaking but what do these hardend white pieces represent? Seb derm, oily skin, or dry skin? Ive tried mimiking my sebum with a combo of jojoba oil and an hylaronic acid moistuirzer for better delivery and that didnt help. Ive alternated with hemp oil as it has less of an oleic content but no go either. Ive washed with Dermadoctors Born to be mild cleanser with pyrthione zinc and it helps smooth but plugs resurface as the day goes on. I just dont know what im treating and if this grainy-ness is a component of seb derm. I already eat no yeast, processed foods or sugar. I take a 50billion probiotic every day and cut my supplements down to vitamin b complex, e, d3 and a yeast defense supplement. I have elidel cream but its too thick to apply to my nose and cheeks because they're so clogged and dry already and that stuff doesnt moisturize at all. I might try the saw palmetto again or b5 again because i cant stand plucking these things out constantly


When you remove these plugs, what's under it? The pore I mean. Any blood? If they resurface, it's probably an internal issue meaning gut, hormonal, or dehydration. What has the derm say?

It sounds to me your skin may simply be dehydrated or something's bothering the skin barrier. Unfortunately, This can go both ways - external like mites or internal like hormone imbalance. FYI, if your skin is dehydrated, oils do not work. You should hydrate your skin internally by drinking lots of water or using hydraluronic acid capsules. You should try minimizing pores to see if it helps. Maybe try PDT. It's better than Accutane with less side effects. Let me know how SP works for you.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:16 PM

okiedokie thanks for the input. When I remove a plug or if one falls out on its own whats underneath is a hole. Its my pore. I can see the clog sitting inside the pore and once its out is like a cork. Its like a little white round grain of rice. These are the ones that are dry and hard and mostly in the center of my cheeks where my pores look like an orange peel. the ones in my chin are embedded and squisher and need to be extracted or pried out with my tweezer. I have often thought that my skin was better when it had more moisture but I cannot find a moisturizer my skin likes. Ive been using CeraVe PM right now and its okay. Everything irritates me and nothing soothes my rosacea or seb derm. Its a crazy cycle and I cant find anything to work. The pyrthione zinc in the born to be mild cleanser is the only thing that smoothes the skin and makes it feel less grainy. Funny thing is im not sure if this is a component of seb derm or rosacea. Where the derm said I have seb derm is on the sides of my face but its not dry and only slightly pink. Its never scaly and grainy like my pores. I cant wear makeup at all because of the scaling and its always worse by the end of the day. When I wake in the morning its smooth but as the day goes on and i produce more oil it sort of gets stuck in the pores.

your right about internal because i jusst got some blood work back and my rheumatoid factor was elevated which indicates theres some inflammation somewhere. My thyroid was off as well, specifically my T3. I am in menopause so my hormones are also out of balance but the hormone cream should be taking care of that.

I do drink lots of water in fact its the only thing I do drink. I've also thought of PDT but have you seen the pictures? Crazy bad and I dont think I have the strength to go thru something like that. Im considering Alumera its similar and has great success with pore shrinkage. I just wish I knew what the grains meant? Oily or dry????

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:29 PM

okiedokie thanks for the input. When I remove a plug or if one falls out on its own whats underneath is a hole. Its my pore. I can see the clog sitting inside the pore and once its out is like a cork. Its like a little white round grain of rice. These are the ones that are dry and hard and mostly in the center of my cheeks where my pores look like an orange peel. the ones in my chin are embedded and squisher and need to be extracted or pried out with my tweezer. I have often thought that my skin was better when it had more moisture but I cannot find a moisturizer my skin likes. Ive been using CeraVe PM right now and its okay. Everything irritates me and nothing soothes my rosacea or seb derm. Its a crazy cycle and I cant find anything to work. The pyrthione zinc in the born to be mild cleanser is the only thing that smoothes the skin and makes it feel less grainy. Funny thing is im not sure if this is a component of seb derm or rosacea. Where the derm said I have seb derm is on the sides of my face but its not dry and only slightly pink. Its never scaly and grainy like my pores. I cant wear makeup at all because of the scaling and its always worse by the end of the day. When I wake in the morning its smooth but as the day goes on and i produce more oil it sort of gets stuck in the pores.

your right about internal because i jusst got some blood work back and my rheumatoid factor was elevated which indicates theres some inflammation somewhere. My thyroid was off as well, specifically my T3. I am in menopause so my hormones are also out of balance but the hormone cream should be taking care of that.

I do drink lots of water in fact its the only thing I do drink. I've also thought of PDT but have you seen the pictures? Crazy bad and I dont think I have the strength to go thru something like that. Im considering Alumera its similar and has great success with pore shrinkage. I just wish I knew what the grains meant? Oily or dry????


Sounds more and more like an internal issue. You know, I read about a study saying there's this bacteria that clumps up and gathers in the pore leading to what looks like a keratin/sebum plug. If I find it I will post it. I don't think it was demodex. Demodex Releases a bacteria that triggers an inflammatory response from the skin. Serb derm and rosacea are both related. Even though it appears dry, if your skin is oily then it can cause the seb derm flakes to sprout up. To me, you have combination skin.

But I think you have an internal issue especially with the hormonal imbalance. A hormone cream will not work neither will a moisturizer. Even your cleanser wont work for the long run. it works temporarily but only masks the symptoms. Same with PDT that i mentioned earlier. Skin problems with an impaired barrier are mostly internal issues. You should talk to your doctor about the hormonal issue and thyroid problems. There could be an inflammatory response due to an autoimmune problem where your body's immune system is attacking its own cells. Your impaired skin barrier may be a sign of that. Increase in RF is usually a sign of rheumatoid arthritis, hepatitis, and other related conditions. Last time I checked, autoimmune diseases like RA or the EE that I mentioned earlier are potentially connected with psoriasis or seborrheic dermatitis. Those are just signs on the surface of an underlying problem in your body. Add hormonal imbalance to the mix and you have a recipe for disaster. Hormonal imbalance is usually oily skin.

If you tried so many alternatives, antifungals, anti bacterials, and a boat load of topicals and supplements with no results, you may have stop whatever regimen you're doing to prevent further exacerbation of inflammation on skin (seb derm and rosacea can be prolonged due to cosmetics and topicals) and follow on proper diagnosis and treatment of the underlying cause.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:35 PM

i would love to see the study that you mentioned. It sounds like what I have exactly. My pores in my nose and cheeks and chin are still clumping up with solid and squishy sebum. I can gently press on my nose pores and the squishy plug will shoot up. The ones in my chin are harder so i'm not sure what that means. Overall my face is dry as a bone but these sebum plugs will not reduce despite increased essential fatty acids, an increase in tumeric (to help RA and inflammation). The only way i can get rid of then is by pressing them all out and applying a cleanser with pyrthione zinc in it to smooth things out. In two days, the cycle starts again. I never had skin that clummped up like this before. I am in the process of treating the thyroid but after a week on the meds, nothing yet. I know something is going on internal but no dr can pinpoint it exactly and figure out what will make my skin stop reacting like this. thanks for your input and ideas because i'm all out

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:33 PM

anyone here clear/treat their seb derm by taking accutane?

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:43 PM

nope..tried it last yr and it kicked up my seb derm

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:02 PM

Any photos of your seb derm wicky?




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