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Posted 22 July 2009 - 01:02 AM

One more thing...
People with SD should be absolutely positive that they don't have dandruff in scalp. If they do, remove it with a medicated shampoo. Some patients have reported how their SD went away after they got rid of scalp dandruff.

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 07:07 PM

QUOTE (arturX @ Jul 22 2009, 01:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One more thing...
People with SD should be absolutely positive that they don't have dandruff in scalp. If they do, remove it with a medicated shampoo. Some patients have reported how their SD went away after they got rid of scalp dandruff.


What are you saying? How should we do this?

I was just prescribed Locoid, anyone try it?

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 09:16 PM

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Since it cant be cured. Are there any great ways to cover up the redness?

i've found that maybelline colorstay for dry skin works best...your skin still feels really dry under the makeup but the makeup doesn't crack or flake off.

arturX- are you saying do something like wash your hair with anti-dandruff shampoo and see what happens?

and has anyone here tried any of the oral anti-fungal medications? what about tanning?

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 03:06 AM

Hi smile.gif

There is a looong BG story here but let me jump to the useful bit:

My life long SD spots are disappearing after I discontinued everything else and instead rub them generously with lip balm stick 3-4 times a week. (I had 4 spots. 2 are *gone* and 2 are reduced to 'slightly discolored smooth skin', after 6 weeks of this.) The lip balm I use: Nivea Hydro Care Art.-Nr. 85088

Sidenote: Late summer is a good time for my skin (sun/vitD) so there is a chance its not 100% because of the balm..

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 04:29 AM

Late summer is good for SD because UV light kills yeast. Don't overdo it of course, you don't want to get cancer as well.

As for dandruff shampoo and SD...
There are indications that if you have strong dandruff on your scalp, immune system is overwhelmed and cannot fight off the yeast on other places (such as face) so SD develops.

Now if you never had scalp dandruff in your life but you have SD, additional lab tests should be made to identify the underlying cause.

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 08:04 AM

QUOTE (REB @ Jul 22 2009, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (arturX @ Jul 22 2009, 01:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One more thing...
People with SD should be absolutely positive that they don't have dandruff in scalp. If they do, remove it with a medicated shampoo. Some patients have reported how their SD went away after they got rid of scalp dandruff.


What are you saying? How should we do this?

I was just prescribed Locoid, anyone try it?


REB - I mentioned to you in the thread you started that Locoid (like Desinoid) is a corticosteriod and it is the strongest corticosteriod that you can use on the face. As I also mentioned, using steriod creams is risky. Please read the following - it is perhaps the best warning and description of what these topicals can do. Believe me, I developed this condition and it took a long time to get my skin back to normal.

ST. JULIANS, MALTA -- When you see clinical signs of rosacea, think "topical corticosteroid overuse." A large proportion of patients presenting with what looks to be rosacea actually have steroid-induced dermatitis, Dr. Suzana Ljubojevic said at the First World Congress of the International Academy of Cosmetic Dermatology. "They start using corticosteroids for seborrheic dermatitis or other dermatoses, and the steroids are often 'prescribed' by friends or relatives," said Dr. Ljubojevic of the department of dermatology, Zagreb Clinical Hospital, Croatia. At first, the anti-inflammatory and vasoconstrictive effects of the steroids result in what seems to be clearance of the primary dermatitis. But persistent use leads to epidermal atrophy, degeneration of dermal structure, and collagen deterioration after several months, she noted. In the end, the skin has the appearance of rosacea, and it is rendered extremely vulnerable to bacterial, viral, and fungal infection. Patients persist in using steroid creams or ointments because they have typically learned the hard way about the severe rebound inflammation that occurs if they stop. In short, they find themselves caught between rosacea like steroid dermatitis and the erythematous pustular eruptions of steroid rebound. By the time they present their condition to a dermatologist, they are very uncomfortable and unhappy. Dr. Ljubojevic and colleagues undertook a survey of 502 consecutive patients at their clinic with signs and symptoms of rosacea. There were 163 men and 339 women, spanning an age range of 15-79. Only 196 (39%) of the patients had never used corticosteroids. The remaining 306 (61%) were routine topical steroid users. They began to use corticosteroids for a wide range of primary diseases. The youngest patients were typically trying to get rid of acne. The oldest patient, a 79-year-old man, had begun steroids to treat keratosis. Dr. Ljubojevic noted that 331 of the 502 (66%) patients were positive for Demodex folliculorum. On initial assessment, it can be very difficult to distinguish between true rosacea and its steroid-induced mimic. The neck and scalp are often the giveaway, said Dr.Roger Allen of the University Hospital, Nottingham, England. Commenting on Dr. Ljubojevic's presentation, he pointed out that steroid-induced dermatitis is often diffuse, extending from the face down along the neck. In balding men, the scalp is often affected. True rosacea tends to be less diffuse. Dr Ljubojevic said there is no easy way to resolve steroid-induced dermatitis, short of ceasing steroid use. This is, admittedly, a hard sell to patients who have already experienced the severe erythema, edema, and pustular eruptions associated with steroid rebound. The severity of these symptoms can be minimized by avoiding use of cosmetics while the skin is vulnerable and by applying pH-neutral creams and lotions. Topical or systemic antibiotics may be needed if the patient has a bacterial infection. Dr. Ljubojevic and her colleagues have found cold chamomile tea compresses to be a soothing adjunct for patients in the throes of steroid backlash. It is important to explain the rebound phenomenon to these patients. They are often baffled by their observation that the same medicine that was so effective in clearing their primary dermatoses or acne is now causing this distressing rosacea like condition, and that their skin gets markedly worse if they stop treatment. Prudence in steroid use is essential, she stressed. "Patients with seborrheic dermatitis, acne vulgaris, or other dermatoses simply should not be treated with topical corticosteroids."

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 03:14 PM

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REB - I mentioned to you in the thread you started that Locoid (like Desinoid) is a corticosteriod and it is the strongest corticosteriod that you can use on the face. As I also mentioned, using steriod creams is risky. Please read the following - it is perhaps the best warning and description of what these topicals can do. Believe me, I developed this condition and it took a long time to get my skin back to normal.

true. the day before i went to the derm for the first time my SD got really, really bad. my mom gave me the last little bit of this cream she uses sometimes for the eczema on her hands called fluocinide. it literally made the SD go away completely. i asked my derm for a prescription for it and he nearly died. he said topical steroids can move the delicate fat on your face around.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:19 AM

Just a question; Does anyone here every have used anti-yeast cream for their seborrheic dermatitis besides for cortisone?

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 07:02 AM

I am glad to see this topic. My daughter who is 11 noticed some dryness in and around her ear. small little patches, Then a couple months later she started scratching her head, when I looked in there there are portions that huge dryness of the scalp in areas. I freaked out, we tried the anti dandruff shampoo thinking it was dandruff, but it didn't help.

The doctor said it was Seb Derm, My question is has anyone ever gotten rid of it? Will she have to deal with this for the rest of her Life?

It seems like the medicated shampoo is working some, but not alot.....

So any other suggestions for her would be grateful......

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 09:12 AM

QUOTE (366490 @ Jul 25 2009, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just a question; Does anyone here every have used anti-yeast cream for their seborrheic dermatitis besides for cortisone?


Hi. I've tried Ketoconazole topical. Good and bad. Good= I've gone back to it when the seb derm flares and it helps. Right now, am on it for 1-2 weeks at night and my Noritate for rosacea during the day.. (The Merck Manual, suggested 1-2 weeks of Ketoconazole to to be used twice a day for flares, then use for maintenace.) I will probably use it 1/week as maintenance, then go back to what my derm had prescribed for me as a daily routine. For bad flares, my derm prescribed for Azithromycin antibiotics for 5 days, which I'm doing along with the Keto. Bad= due to the humidity in my area, it's really hard to wear it during the day under make up.

Currently, I have a day left of antibiotics and will continue the Ketoconazole for a few more days, then return to my daily routine. The seb derm looks pretty good, however, the Keto isn't rosacea friendly, but it's not that bad. My daily routine is Clindamycin Lotion (AM/PM), Nortiate Cream (AM), Akne-Mycin (PM), and a non-spf moisturizer AM/PM. If skin is dry, Vanicream Lite Lotion. I'm trying California Baby products now for a daily moisturizer. So far, their Super Sensitive Everyday Lotion is great. I also sent away for their travel pack so I will be able to try their SPF lotions. Yeah, I know I gotta wear spf, but everything irritates so my derm suggested to take it slow.

Research the Ketoconazole and talk with your derm about it. I can't take anything with sulfur so can't help with those products. Good luck.

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:44 AM

QUOTE (366490 @ Jul 25 2009, 04:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just a question; Does anyone here every have used anti-yeast cream for their seborrheic dermatitis besides for cortisone?

i've also tried ketoconazole. it's just okay. it clears up for a few days and then comes back full force even if i haven't stopped using it. it's definitely better than doing nothing.

QUOTE (oli girl @ Jul 25 2009, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am glad to see this topic. My daughter who is 11 noticed some dryness in and around her ear. small little patches, Then a couple months later she started scratching her head, when I looked in there there are portions that huge dryness of the scalp in areas. I freaked out, we tried the anti dandruff shampoo thinking it was dandruff, but it didn't help.

The doctor said it was Seb Derm, My question is has anyone ever gotten rid of it? Will she have to deal with this for the rest of her Life?

It seems like the medicated shampoo is working some, but not alot.....

So any other suggestions for her would be grateful......


no, no one has ever cured their seborrheic dermatitis once and for all. everything out there is just meant to keep it under control and hopefully get it into remission for as long as possible, from which i heard *can* be a couple of months but it usually only weeks or, more prevalently, days.

i'm actively adding new things to the mix and of course i'll keep you guys updated...

the elidel cream was giving me really bad cystic acne even though i was still using tazorac, so i stopped using it. went back to the derm who had previously stated that i'd have to take cortisone pills, but he suggested ditching the tazorac and going back on finacea. azelaic acid is an anti-fungal and apparently using it to treat SD is the new thing. i have to say, it's not gone but it's looking okay. okay enough to not have to wear makeup, but you can still see it there.

here's my current regimen (too lazy to update my sig right now):

AM- wash with selsun blue moisturizing formula (very gently; dan-style), apply ketoconazole, apply aloe vera gel, apply cetaphil lotion (not the kind from the pump, the really good kind in the jar)

PM- oil cleansing method (in my sig), apply straight ACV, apply finacea, apply ketoconazole, apply cetaphil.

i started tanning the other day...i've only gone once but i do think it made a difference. may be asking my derm if he has UV therapy in the house so my insurance can take care of it and i don't have to spend so much money at the tanning salon.

and i take the following supplements: vitamin c 1000mg, zinc 50 mg, biotin 5mg, vitamin a 3mcg, and an acidophilus pill. may be adding a b6/b12/folic acid pill into the mix.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 10:17 PM

QUOTE (shipinabottle @ Jul 27 2009, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (366490 @ Jul 25 2009, 04:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just a question; Does anyone here every have used anti-yeast cream for their seborrheic dermatitis besides for cortisone?

i've also tried ketoconazole. it's just okay. it clears up for a few days and then comes back full force even if i haven't stopped using it. it's definitely better than doing nothing.

QUOTE (oli girl @ Jul 25 2009, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am glad to see this topic. My daughter who is 11 noticed some dryness in and around her ear. small little patches, Then a couple months later she started scratching her head, when I looked in there there are portions that huge dryness of the scalp in areas. I freaked out, we tried the anti dandruff shampoo thinking it was dandruff, but it didn't help.

The doctor said it was Seb Derm, My question is has anyone ever gotten rid of it? Will she have to deal with this for the rest of her Life?

It seems like the medicated shampoo is working some, but not alot.....

So any other suggestions for her would be grateful......


no, no one has ever cured their seborrheic dermatitis once and for all. everything out there is just meant to keep it under control and hopefully get it into remission for as long as possible, from which i heard *can* be a couple of months but it usually only weeks or, more prevalently, days.

i'm actively adding new things to the mix and of course i'll keep you guys updated...

the elidel cream was giving me really bad cystic acne even though i was still using tazorac, so i stopped using it. went back to the derm who had previously stated that i'd have to take cortisone pills, but he suggested ditching the tazorac and going back on finacea. azelaic acid is an anti-fungal and apparently using it to treat SD is the new thing. i have to say, it's not gone but it's looking okay. okay enough to not have to wear makeup, but you can still see it there.

here's my current regimen (too lazy to update my sig right now):

AM- wash with selsun blue moisturizing formula (very gently; dan-style), apply ketoconazole, apply aloe vera gel, apply cetaphil lotion (not the kind from the pump, the really good kind in the jar)

PM- oil cleansing method (in my sig), apply straight ACV, apply finacea, apply ketoconazole, apply cetaphil.

i started tanning the other day...i've only gone once but i do think it made a difference. may be asking my derm if he has UV therapy in the house so my insurance can take care of it and i don't have to spend so much money at the tanning salon.

and i take the following supplements: vitamin c 1000mg, zinc 50 mg, biotin 5mg, vitamin a 3mcg, and an acidophilus pill. may be adding a b6/b12/folic acid pill into the mix.


I am on a simliar regime as you are. I am glad to see that you are off the Tazorac. Tazorac will for sure make your Seb Derm worse. It sheds your skin off making way for new skin. While this is all going on, you will have very red, dry skin....which is horrible for seb derm suffers. Anyone taking Tazorac with chronic redness, should probably stop and ask their doctor for something else. I have seen Tazorac to be very good in getting rid of pustules, but nothing more.

I wouldn't tan either. Sure, your skin will look "healthier", but in reality it is not and your reddened skin will only get redder. This is just a temporary 'solution'.

And for the people who are considering buying face doctor products....the active ingredient that supposedly works for seb derm can also be found in ZNP bar, which is cheaper. But be careful, any shampoos applied to the facial skin will for sure dry you out because of SSL and other harsh ingredients.

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 11:33 AM

QUOTE (Contained @ Jul 28 2009, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (shipinabottle @ Jul 27 2009, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (366490 @ Jul 25 2009, 04:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just a question; Does anyone here every have used anti-yeast cream for their seborrheic dermatitis besides for cortisone?

i've also tried ketoconazole. it's just okay. it clears up for a few days and then comes back full force even if i haven't stopped using it. it's definitely better than doing nothing.

QUOTE (oli girl @ Jul 25 2009, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am glad to see this topic. My daughter who is 11 noticed some dryness in and around her ear. small little patches, Then a couple months later she started scratching her head, when I looked in there there are portions that huge dryness of the scalp in areas. I freaked out, we tried the anti dandruff shampoo thinking it was dandruff, but it didn't help.

The doctor said it was Seb Derm, My question is has anyone ever gotten rid of it? Will she have to deal with this for the rest of her Life?

It seems like the medicated shampoo is working some, but not alot.....

So any other suggestions for her would be grateful......


no, no one has ever cured their seborrheic dermatitis once and for all. everything out there is just meant to keep it under control and hopefully get it into remission for as long as possible, from which i heard *can* be a couple of months but it usually only weeks or, more prevalently, days.

i'm actively adding new things to the mix and of course i'll keep you guys updated...

the elidel cream was giving me really bad cystic acne even though i was still using tazorac, so i stopped using it. went back to the derm who had previously stated that i'd have to take cortisone pills, but he suggested ditching the tazorac and going back on finacea. azelaic acid is an anti-fungal and apparently using it to treat SD is the new thing. i have to say, it's not gone but it's looking okay. okay enough to not have to wear makeup, but you can still see it there.

here's my current regimen (too lazy to update my sig right now):

AM- wash with selsun blue moisturizing formula (very gently; dan-style), apply ketoconazole, apply aloe vera gel, apply cetaphil lotion (not the kind from the pump, the really good kind in the jar)

PM- oil cleansing method (in my sig), apply straight ACV, apply finacea, apply ketoconazole, apply cetaphil.

i started tanning the other day...i've only gone once but i do think it made a difference. may be asking my derm if he has UV therapy in the house so my insurance can take care of it and i don't have to spend so much money at the tanning salon.

and i take the following supplements: vitamin c 1000mg, zinc 50 mg, biotin 5mg, vitamin a 3mcg, and an acidophilus pill. may be adding a b6/b12/folic acid pill into the mix.


I am on a simliar regime as you are. I am glad to see that you are off the Tazorac. Tazorac will for sure make your Seb Derm worse. It sheds your skin off making way for new skin. While this is all going on, you will have very red, dry skin....which is horrible for seb derm suffers. Anyone taking Tazorac with chronic redness, should probably stop and ask their doctor for something else. I have seen Tazorac to be very good in getting rid of pustules, but nothing more.

I wouldn't tan either. Sure, your skin will look "healthier", but in reality it is not and your reddened skin will only get redder. This is just a temporary 'solution'.

And for the people who are considering buying face doctor products....the active ingredient that supposedly works for seb derm can also be found in ZNP bar, which is cheaper. But be careful, any shampoos applied to the facial skin will for sure dry you out because of SSL and other harsh ingredients.


I believe i have this condition too on my cheeks under eyes. I also had it on my forhead as well and i bought H&S selenium sulfide shampoo and started washing my hair with that and rubbing it on my forhead. It atcually has made my forhead better and it isnt red or rashy looking anymore. Still a few small bumps but hardly noticable, nothing comapared to whats going on with my cheeks and sides of nose. I havent applied the shampoo to my face yet cause i wanted to see if it would clear my forhead up at all and it looks like it has. I am not still 100% positive i have this, but i have read if you produce a lot more oil and sebum in that area and its red and rashy looking then its mostly likely that. Also when i am washing that area of my face in shower, when u rub your fingers over it, it feels like tiny bumps or microbeads (really rough) and some whiteheads or like white sebum plugs fall off when washing. So i think i am going to start this shampoo on this area too. I see my derm in a week. I was also considering a tanning bed too. I am still dealing with acne around mouth and chin but i know that acne and its totally diff from whats going on my cheeks.


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Posted 31 July 2009 - 12:59 PM

Yes the 2 last spots (nose wings) are all but gone now.... however,

I dont believe SD will ever 'go away' though. You have to make lifestyle changes until you find a way to live that *keeps* it away.


avoiding stuff that kills bacteria
(medicine, soap, preservatives, alcohols, hot water etc)

more peeling

less washing (water only)

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 10:57 PM

hey guys...obv i can't put the website for it here but i ordered this great stuff online. it's a lotion called "derm essentials" that's 100% natural...coconut oil, tea tree oil, and neem oil are among the ingredients...it's all great for SD and just plain ol' good for your skin anyways.

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 08:52 AM

we recently found out my little brother suffers from rosacea, seborrheic dermatitis, and acne on his face. we thought it was just ezcema, since he suffers from that too.

he is 14 and he never wants to leave the house. i feel so bad for him, i can't help. no one should have to deal with this!

i did some research, but i find it all very shoddy and one website says yes to this and another say no to that, it's just frustrating. he went to one derm and they put him on metrogel and he cleared up wihtin a day! but then he went to a diff one, who gave him retin a and said metrogel was bad. before that he was trying coal tar soap, and then gentle cleanser, steroid, and then milk on magnesea.


has anyone gotten rid of this? how is there no cure?! it's all over his face! is it contagious?

im just at alost on how to help him. he does have a lot of dandruff as well we have selson blue and nizoral 2%.


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Posted 02 August 2009 - 05:09 PM

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has anyone gotten rid of this? how is there no cure?! it's all over his face! is it contagious?

idk, but it sucks. and no, it's not contagious. it's from a fungus that actually pretty much everyone has on their skin at all times but for some reason people who have SD can't fight it off like everyone else can.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:23 AM

Dont know if you guys know about these sites:

www.geocities.com/mall_lago/html/sebderm1.html is a decent read about seb derm treatments.

www.dermnet.org.nz/dermatitis/seborrhoeic-dermatitis.html has got some pictures and info (quite a good site for skin complaints in general).

Personally a ketoconazole cream and hydrocortisone 1% work for me. Though I might try ZNP bar as well.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 11:09 PM

QUOTE (wwfasd? @ Aug 2 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
we recently found out my little brother suffers from rosacea, seborrheic dermatitis, and acne on his face. we thought it was just ezcema, since he suffers from that too.

he is 14 and he never wants to leave the house. i feel so bad for him, i can't help. no one should have to deal with this!

i did some research, but i find it all very shoddy and one website says yes to this and another say no to that, it's just frustrating. he went to one derm and they put him on metrogel and he cleared up wihtin a day! but then he went to a diff one, who gave him retin a and said metrogel was bad. before that he was trying coal tar soap, and then gentle cleanser, steroid, and then milk on magnesea.


has anyone gotten rid of this? how is there no cure?! it's all over his face! is it contagious?

im just at alost on how to help him. he does have a lot of dandruff as well we have selson blue and nizoral 2%.



He should try a sulfur soap. I have acne (face & back) and SD (head & face) and Dr. Joesoef's 10% sulfur soap works wonders for me (totally cleared up my face & back). Just google it. It's pretty inexpensive. I also use it as shampoo (they also sell a shampoo). Check out the website. smile.gif

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 08:29 AM

What is this ZNP Bar? Where do u get it? Thanks




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