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Best Answer alex13, 07 June 2013 - 06:09 PM

Hey guys, I have had a pretty nasty acne since age 14 (the worst - cystic acne) and now it seems I managed to reduce it to one or two pimples (no milk, no cow products, no sugar or spicy foods) :(. I am 22 now I got a few nasty scars and dont know how to get rid of them. I didn`t read all your thread but I want some expert advice from you !

 

In my country - romania - we don`t have lots of options for acne scar treatments and the one that are available are very expensive, but I want to try one of these :

 

1. Microdermabrasion with cristals

2. Microdermabrasion with diamonds

 

They say it would help a lot, the one with diamonds seems to be better. What do you guys think ? should I give money for something like that ? and also, is there any cream that I should search for ? or maybe some natural stuff that I can eat ? however the scars are pretty old , 7 years old and i don`t know if anything internally would change them. Please respond with your info ! I really need it.

 

I aprecciate a lot, Alex

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#341 drewboy

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:08 AM

Guys I apologize as Im almost positive this issue has been covered numerous times, but what exactly are you suctioning with?

 

Im currently in Bangkok and should take advantage of the prices of subsicion while im here, but I would really like to know how to suction. Ive never heard of this before. Thanks so much Matt for sharing this information!



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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:31 AM

congratulations...
just 2 things:
 
1)what size of needles did they use and how many holes did you see around the scar ...i mean how many entry points they used to 
undermine the fibrotic tissue?

I don't remember. I believe that someone else who followed this post and was treated by my dermatologist asked him and posted the information on this thread somewhere. I don't have an exact number regarding the entry points that Dr. DeSpain made into the scarred areas, but I do know that there were several and he aggressively went after the tethered bands from a variety of angles which is necessary in order to undermine them.
 
2)do you believe that your age helped you since the growth factors of persons at about your age tend to help to heal better.


Honestly, I don't know. I believe that several of the things that I did helped to promote collagen deposition:

1). Retin-A topically each night.
2). Topical Ester C, DMAE, and Alpha-Lipoic Acid.
3). Topical Vitamin E oil
4) needling sessions every six weeks or so (I still do them)
5). Chemical peels: 70 percent alpha hydroxy and lactic acid peels plus 25 percent TCA peels
6). Multi-vitamin daily plus zinc supplements
7) Daily facial scrub
8) Vitamin C facial wash
9) Exercise twice a week or more - helps with capillary development which delivers the vitamins and supplements to your sub dermis
10). Wear sunscreen everyday (SPF 30 or higher with both UVA and UVB protection)
11) I was using red and ultraviolet light on my face for awhile as well

Hope this helps.

Matt


As you can see, I took a very aggressive approach to dealing with my scarring.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:32 PM

matt you should put up a new pic are your current ones getting old?



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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:58 PM

Hi Matt,

 

i am quite new on this forum (i registered on this site two weeks ago after my first airgent treatment),

and like everybody else, i am deeply impressed by your subcision results. Your skin looks

absolutely great. Thank you for sharing your journey and providing all this information to the rest of us.

I have a few questions i would rather ask you via a private message, but your inbox

seems to be full. Can we find a way to get in contact? You could PM me an email address for example.

I really would appreciate that, it would mean a lot to me.

 

Cheers GuyGermany


Edited by GuyGermany, 16 February 2013 - 03:00 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:25 PM

i think the reason why subcision results arent perfect is beacause the doctors 

arent paying enough attention at the fibroblasts that  exist at the edges of the scar...

am i the only one that see that the edges block off the regenaration?

for exampe if you manage to break the fibrotic tissue at one point of the edge you can see that the skin

begins to heal and creates a line that reaches the other edge...

i just did self subcision at one depressed sun spot with a thin diabetic lancet ..

i insert the needle in a way just to break all the fibrotic tissues that exist only at the edge...



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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:42 PM

Hi Matt,

I just got subcision done 5 days ago on a surgical scar and I'm already seeing the scar coming back as the swelling is gone down. I realize a surgical scar is different than an acne scar but my dermaotlogist told me that subcision can help greatly with the scar. I'm getting married in 6 months and am concerned about the depression or indentation on my face as it is very noticeable.

 

I'm scheduled to get a subcision in another 4 weeks and wanted to try the suction method for it. I'm still very unclear as what to use for it and how it will work. You had stated you used a Oreck hand-held vacuum sweeper. Is this a regular vacumn cleaner? If so how do you perform the suction method? I guess I'm worried about putting a regular vacumn cleaner on my face but if it helps I'll do anything to get rid of the indentation. Do you just put it on your scar? I purchased a suction device from owndoc.com. Do you think this might be suffice? I'm also possibly thinking if this doesn't work I might even travel to see your doctor as he seems really good. I live in San Francisco.

Thanks

 



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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:50 PM

Congratulations on your upcoming wedding! That is awesome. You are the first person that I've heard of who has had subcision for a surgical scar. The purpose of the suction method is to prevent the tethered bands from reattaching to the epidermis during the healing process post-subcision. If your scar(s) are not tethered, I don't think that the subcision/suction method will work for you. But, I am not a doctor either. I did use a hand-held Oreck vacuum sweeper on my scars. I used one hand to buffer the vacuuming power because the suction power was so powerful. I vacuumed both of my cheeks twice a day two days after my subcision treatment. The results were amazing for me. But, I did have prolonged bruising and swelling as a result. The pain was worth the gain. If you have tethered scars, subcision coupled with with suction is a very powerful combination. You'll need suction power that is strong enough to lift your epidermis and separate it from the underlying dermis or it is all for naught.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 12:20 AM

Hi Matt,

Thanks so much for that info! Yeah I wasn't sure if subcision would help with surgical scars myself. I didn't even go to the dermatologist to ask for subcision but I went because I had a concern about ruining my skin with a tca peel. I did a 15% tca peel on my scar. I didn't prepare my skin with retin a or anything.  I ended up doing it 3 times on the scar. It frosted up and went pure white. After a week I was worried so I went to the dermatologist and she told me to come back in a month. I went back a month later and it was still really red still and almost more indented.  She suggested subcision.  I agreed to it because I do want to look the best I can on my wedding. The surgical scar  is on my cheek and was due to a mole removal I got years ago for cosmetic purposes and it made it way worse than the scar but who knew. I even had a mole removed from a less visible place as a test and that scar was barely noticeable. Go figure. I was so upset that I made the worse mistake of my life that was self. Anyway it's been a long road of me struggling trying to make the scar better and I have found your story inspirational when I read it. The scar on my face really impacts my life on an everyday basis. Anyway I'm hopeful that this will help but not convinced since it is a surgical scar. I will keep you posted. I'm so happy for you that you had a positive outcome. It gives other people hope.

Thanks,
Catherine.



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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

Hi Matt,

Where did you get your red and ultraviolet light from? Was it expensive? 



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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:06 PM

Hi Matt,

Where did you get your red and ultraviolet light from? Was it expensive? 

I purchased it from the LED Man.  

 

http://theledman.net/

 

I spent about approximately $125.00 for the unit.

 

I'm not convinced that it did a whole lot for me,though.

 

I believe that it does help with inflammation and speeding up the healing process after an injury. So, I used it mainly after my laser treatment and subcision treatments.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Matt



Hi Matt,

Thanks so much for that info! Yeah I wasn't sure if subcision would help with surgical scars myself. I didn't even go to the dermatologist to ask for subcision but I went because I had a concern about ruining my skin with a tca peel. I did a 15% tca peel on my scar. I didn't prepare my skin with retin a or anything.  I ended up doing it 3 times on the scar. It frosted up and went pure white. After a week I was worried so I went to the dermatologist and she told me to come back in a month. I went back a month later and it was still really red still and almost more indented.  She suggested subcision.  I agreed to it because I do want to look the best I can on my wedding. The surgical scar  is on my cheek and was due to a mole removal I got years ago for cosmetic purposes and it made it way worse than the scar but who knew. I even had a mole removed from a less visible place as a test and that scar was barely noticeable. Go figure. I was so upset that I made the worse mistake of my life that was self. Anyway it's been a long road of me struggling trying to make the scar better and I have found your story inspirational when I read it. The scar on my face really impacts my life on an everyday basis. Anyway I'm hopeful that this will help but not convinced since it is a surgical scar. I will keep you posted. I'm so happy for you that you had a positive outcome. It gives other people hope.

Thanks,
Catherine.

Catherine:

 

I'm not a doctor, but it would seem to me that you might get better results using a dermaroller to induce collagen regeneration.

 

http://journals.lww....apy__An.46.aspx

 

However, I am not a doctor and perhaps your doctor knows best in this particular situation.   Waving a need under your skin as is done with subcision does result in subdermal injury  - bleeding will result in collagen formation, so perhaps that is your doctor's logic for performing it.

 

Please keep us posted on how things progress; we're all here to learn from one another.

 

Matt



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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:13 PM

Mr matt i sent you a Pm..:)..do reply brother...:)



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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:43 PM

Hi Matt,

I'm going to try one more time with subcision and suction method. My doctor said that my scar is tethered. Go figure. When I stretch my skin out I still see the scar, I believe that means it is tethered? I purchased http://shop.owndoc.c...ars-pid212.html suction pump. I just hope it is strong enough to be effective or it's all for nothing. I looked up your vacumn cleaner hand-held Oreck vacuum sweeper but I can't find it or the ones that are available look big and bulky and over 200 bucks. I have a hoover vacumn cleaner but it is old and dirty and even if I sterilize it I have my doubts using it. I know you're not a doctor and plus you probably haven't purchased the one from owndoc but have you any advice on this. So far my scar is still indented but it has only been 3 weeks since I got my first subcision treatment done
Thanks,

Catherine



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:01 AM

Catherine: I think that some type of auctioning device is better than none. I've found that the subcision/suction method in conjunction with dermarolling and topical vitamin C to be a very powerful combination. Keep us posted on your progress. Matt

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:29 PM

Catherine: I think that some type of auctioning device is better than none. I've found that the subcision/suction method in conjunction with dermarolling and topical vitamin C to be a very powerful combination. Keep us posted on your progress. Matt

 

Thanks so much! I appreciate your advice. I will let you know how it goes.



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:48 PM

Matt,

 

I am going to be getting subcision done on my cheeks in a few weeks.  I have not been able to read every post in your thread but I noticed that you said that icing after your 2nd subcision resulted in a lot less bruising than the first subcision.  I also read that you had great success with suctioning in your later subcisions.  My question is did you also ice in between your suctions?  I ask because I am considering suctioning after my procedure and am not sure if using ice should be done along with that as is isnt the point of the suction to kind of keep the inflammation and swelling alive longer for better results? Thanks in advance.



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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:14 AM

It's been awhile since my last subcision treatment, but I believe that I did not use ice for the first two weeks.

 

The suctioning resulted in prolonged bruising and inflammation which was probably the result of suctionning my face with so much force.

 

The end result was worth all of it though because it was, by far, my most successful subcision treatment.

 

I also used a topical cream from Reviva Labs containing Ester C, DMAE, and Alpha Lipoic Acid along with my Retin-A and topical Vitamin E oil.  I still use all of these on my face on a regular basis.

 

Keep us posted how things go for you - we're all in this together.

 

Matt



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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:10 AM

Its obvious ,when you cause trauma in deeper derma layers ,results will  be by far the best.

That applies to subcision,suction ,even lugol's iodine

All of the above cause dermal microtrauma-trauma

No TCA or fraxel or derma roller will do anything unless your aim is to resurface the walls of the scars

Its just common logic and everyone experienced should know that

 

By the way i could never understand the principle of the scar being tethered to fibrous tissues!?!?

Scars are just an unorganized mass of collagen consisting of fibroblasts mostly

Attacking the fibroblasts and make the body think to heal without fibrotic tissue again is the key


Edited by panos, 19 March 2013 - 09:12 AM.


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:12 PM

just curious what can you use for suctioning? (at home)??



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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:07 AM

I used a hand-held Oreck vacuum sweeper.  I cupped my left hand around the end of the nozzle to reduce the amount of suction because it was so powerful.

 

I did several passes on my face twice a day beginning on day three and did this for about two weeks.

 

I highly recommend this approach and you should read the study if you haven't done so already.



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Posted 02 April 2013 - 05:40 PM

That is amazing progress. I'm really happy for you man.






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