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Got me a natural sunscreen. But is it comedogenic?

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Thanks to your good posts before on the importance using a good sunscreen, I went out to my health food store and selected one with zinc oxide and titanium dioxide. Not that cheap, but if it's good, then it's worth it! It's "Derma Soleil Natural Sunblock with Ectoin, Emblica & Liposome Collagen SPF30 PABA-free"

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Do you see anything possibly comedogenic here? My face doesn't react to much, but I just want to be sure.

Here are the ingredients:

  • Purified Water

Oils of Soybean and Olive

Shea Butter

Caprylic / Capric Triglyceride

Titanium Dioxide

Glycerin

Hydrogenated Lecithin

Zinc Oxide

Lanolin

Hydrolyzed Lecithin

Tocopheryl Acetate

Hydrogenated Palm Glycerides

Aloe Vera Gel

Essential Oils of Jojoba and Sweet Almond

Lecithin

Extracts of Calendula and Witch Hazel

Stearic Acid

Xanthan Gum

Tocopherol (Vit. E)

Rose Water

Olive Squalane

Brassica Campestris (Rapessed) Sterols

Ectoin

Liposome Collagen

Emblica (Vit. C)

Beta Glucan

Superoxide Dismutase

Ascorbyl Palmitate

Natural Preservative

I'm going to an amusement park next month (very hot and sunny!), so I need to be sure if I can use this. smile.gif Thanks in advance! :pray:

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I'm no expert on comedogenicity (comedogenicity?!), but after doing a little quick internet research (I have waaay too much time on my hands. Wait--no I don't, I just don't want to do my homework.), mostly from http://www.zerozits.com/Articles/article6.htm I've come to the following conclusions:

These ingredients may be slightly comedogenic:

Soybean oil

Olive oil

Jojoba oil

Almond oil (is that the same thing as sweet almond oil?)

Calendula extract

Stearic acid

Tocopherol (vitamin E)

Ascorbyl Palmitate

I was unable to find information on the following ingredients:

Hydrolyzed Lecithin (but plain lecithin is fine...)

Hydrogenated Palm Glycerides

Witch Hazel extract

Xanthan Gum

Rose Water

Brassica Campestris (Rapessed) Sterols

Ectoin

Liposome Collagen (but IIRC, collagen is pretty comedogenic...)

Natural Preservative (this isn't really very specific...)

A lot of the comedogenic ingredients still may not break you out, though. Lots of people stick a lot of that stuff on their skin, apparently with good results. So, use your best judgement. Have fun with the amusement park! biggrin.gif


- Zha


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Gosh...sorry to make you do all that work! Ten Thanks to ya Zha! (A Chinese way of saying thanks a bunch)

I'll keep ya informed on how it goes. smile.gif


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No, don't be sorry--I should thank *you*! This way, I had a few more minutes of non-homework-ness, and that means a lot to a procrastinator like me.

BTW, that's a really neat Chinese thank-you. I like it!


- Zha


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Also if you want to try very inexpensive titanium/ zinc sunblock that is non comedogenic Try Baby Magic SPF 50 it's available in every supermarket or pharmacy and only is about $11.00 for a large bottle. Pink bottle with blue print !!

I tried it when I forgot my own sunblock so I used my new grand daughters sunblock and it worked really great.


Richard

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We'll look like manly men breaking out the baby bottles. lol user posted image

I'll take a look around too, but we don't have the same things as in the states. user posted image


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Also if you want to try very inexpensive titanium/ zinc sunblock that is non comedogenic Try Baby Magic SPF 50 it's available in every supermarket  or pharmacy and only is about $11.00 for a large bottle. Pink bottle with blue print !!

I tried it when I forgot my own sunblock so I used my new grand daughters sunblock and it worked really great.

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You shouln't have any problems with BabyMagic, It doesn't even sting if you get some in your eye. It's the same pH as tears.


Richard

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the only baby magic sunblock i saw at the grocery store had loads of chemical sunblocks in it as well. on the bright side, it had no parsol (which tends to irritate my eyes).


99.5% Clear (skin gets 'congested' PMS week, but no actual breakouts)

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Fragrance-Free Baby Wipes + a few drops Rimmel Makeup Remover solution

3/4 AHA Toner* & 1/4 Glycerin (cotton pad) -- good toner, moisturizer, and makeup base (use less glycerin if not under makeup)

Occasional Treatments (2-3x/week): Exfoliating bp wash* in shower, 2.5% bp lotion* at night

CoverGirl TruBlend Powder Foundation

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* = Klear Action Kit (Pro-Activ knockoff)

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Gluten-free diet (for non-acne reasons, but it seems to have cleared my acne)


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The chemicals in the Baby Magic are to protect against the UVB rays which are harmul as well. These chemicals are probably the safest ones. The other that I usually use ( no chemicals ) is made by Fallene and is called Cotz ( pronounced coats ) only titanium and zinc. they do make 2 other with UVB protection but they do contain some of the same chemicals but no Parsol


Richard

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Jc - your sunscreen contains Lanolin!!! :o Watch out with that, I found it to be very pore-clogging - when using E45 as a moisturiser, which contains a lot of lanolin. I think it depends on the amount in the product though. I suppose the best way to find out is to try it and see...

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Thanks Ross...I know...I've been doing some research on the lanolin, and it says that the synthesized (non-natural) lanlin is fairly pore cloggin. That's gotta suck! I was hoping that this would be a good one too.

It's pretty hard to test it out though. Like...how comedogenic is comedogenic? How long (or short) will it take me to break out if indeed it is comedogenic (I know about the 1-5 scales).

Also, would people who are not prone to breakouts also breakout with a very comedogenic ingredient? :think:


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i use a very comedonegenic sunscreen

only on the bridge of my nose and upper cheeks

i don't really care


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I think different things are comedogenic (and to different degrees, too!) for different people.

For me personally, I always have acne, but I have yet to find anything that I can put on my skin to actually make it worse. So, apparently I'm not sensitive to many/most "comedogenic" ingredients. I still try to be careful most of the time, though. Similarly, I haven't found anything I can put on my skin to make it better, either. Oh well.

Anyway, I suspect that a breakout resulting from a topical would happen relatively quickly (a couple days? *shrug*), as your pores are being clogged from the top down rather than from the bottom up.


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There are many people that are sensitive to any form of lanolin, I try to avoid most products with lanolin as one of the main ingredients. Some of my clients don't really have breakouts from the lanolin but almost have an allergic type reaction...stinging, redness and sometimes hives.


Richard

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Zha...Yeah, that's the scary part. Who KNOWS how long it takes for these comedogenic ingredients to take effect.

Richard...would this allergic type reaction occur on most parts of the body then? I know that the face is the most sensitive, but I'm wondering if, say, if I tried this sunscreen on my arms, might it be a good enough test area. Or maybe the neck? I just want to avoid testing it on my face for the time being.


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I would try some on my inner arm ( where your arm bends ) and bit behind your ear. These areas are fairly sensitive and can give a pretty good idea of how your face will react.


Richard

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This Baby Magic sounds nice. Saw it at the store the other day.

Does it have any moisturizing affect, or does it go on pretty dry? Also, for the people that have used it, would you say its ok for daily use?

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I apply it several times a day when I'm outside. Aside forom the active sunlock ingredients it does contain some moisturizing additives but nothing I can find that would be comedogenic. It does contain Aloe, Dimethicone ( a silicone oil ) no lanolin or any waxes, animal or vegetable oils, so i think it's pretty safe. i like it and it's a very good buy !


Richard

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JC--as for the allergic question.. if you are allergic to something, you'll feel the effects pretty quick and it will effect your whole body. After finding out that a face mask broke me out, i tried it as a foot mask (yes...i put it on my feet..it was expensive stuff!) and I could feel it in my whole body. It basically felt like my face was getting oily and tingly and ready to break out. So, basically, if you get any reaction in any way from trying a product on your arm or anywhere, then you know you're allergic to it. Did that make sense?


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Ya...thanks W-a-E... I'm also concerned about the comedogenicity factor of the product. As it says on dermadoctor.com, it says that, just because the product contains a comedogenic product (in this case lanolin) it doesn't neccessarily mean that it's going to break you out. It depends on the percentage / amount that exists in the product.

So it's almost hit-and-miss. It will be difficult to ascertain whether this product will be comedogenic to me because the causality of it can take days, or even weeks! <_<

http://www.dermadoctor.com/pages/newslette...6CABEEC5A633%7D

P.S. I also read somewhere that...most companies list the product ingredients starting from most to least in terms of %. Is that true?


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Aiya...so lanolin is the 9th ingredient down from the top. What in blazes does that mean?? :unsure::think:

Plus, I emailed the company with some questions regarding this, so knowing the reputation of this company, I should be expecting a response from them in oh...about 6-8 years. user posted image


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