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#1 jc

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Posted 26 May 2004 - 10:52 PM

Thanks to your good posts before on the importance using a good sunscreen, I went out to my health food store and selected one with zinc oxide and titanium dioxide. Not that cheap, but if it's good, then it's worth it! It's "Derma Soleil Natural Sunblock with Ectoin, Emblica & Liposome Collagen SPF30 PABA-free"

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Do you see anything possibly comedogenic here? My face doesn't react to much, but I just want to be sure.

Here are the ingredients:
    Purified Water
    Oils of Soybean and Olive
    Shea Butter
    Caprylic / Capric Triglyceride
    Titanium Dioxide
    Glycerin
    Hydrogenated Lecithin
    Zinc Oxide
    Lanolin
    Hydrolyzed Lecithin
    Tocopheryl Acetate
    Hydrogenated Palm Glycerides
    Aloe Vera Gel
    Essential Oils of Jojoba and Sweet Almond
    Lecithin
    Extracts of Calendula and Witch Hazel
    Stearic Acid
    Xanthan Gum
    Tocopherol (Vit. E)
    Rose Water
    Olive Squalane
    Brassica Campestris (Rapessed) Sterols
    Ectoin
    Liposome Collagen
    Emblica (Vit. C)
    Beta Glucan
    Superoxide Dismutase
    Ascorbyl Palmitate
    Natural Preservative
I'm going to an amusement park next month (very hot and sunny!), so I need to be sure if I can use this. smile.gif Thanks in advance! :pray:
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Posted 27 May 2004 - 12:02 AM

I'm no expert on comedogenicity (comedogenicity?!), but after doing a little quick internet research (I have waaay too much time on my hands. Wait--no I don't, I just don't want to do my homework.), mostly from http://www.zerozits....es/article6.htm I've come to the following conclusions:

These ingredients may be slightly comedogenic:
Soybean oil
Olive oil
Jojoba oil
Almond oil (is that the same thing as sweet almond oil?)
Calendula extract
Stearic acid
Tocopherol (vitamin E)
Ascorbyl Palmitate

I was unable to find information on the following ingredients:
Hydrolyzed Lecithin (but plain lecithin is fine...)
Hydrogenated Palm Glycerides
Witch Hazel extract
Xanthan Gum
Rose Water
Brassica Campestris (Rapessed) Sterols
Ectoin
Liposome Collagen (but IIRC, collagen is pretty comedogenic...)
Natural Preservative (this isn't really very specific...)

A lot of the comedogenic ingredients still may not break you out, though. Lots of people stick a lot of that stuff on their skin, apparently with good results. So, use your best judgement. Have fun with the amusement park! biggrin.gif
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Posted 27 May 2004 - 12:13 AM

Gosh...sorry to make you do all that work! Ten Thanks to ya Zha! (A Chinese way of saying thanks a bunch)

I'll keep ya informed on how it goes. smile.gif
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Posted 27 May 2004 - 12:31 AM

No, don't be sorry--I should thank *you*! This way, I had a few more minutes of non-homework-ness, and that means a lot to a procrastinator like me.

BTW, that's a really neat Chinese thank-you. I like it!
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Posted 28 May 2004 - 01:46 AM

Also if you want to try very inexpensive titanium/ zinc sunblock that is non comedogenic Try Baby Magic SPF 50 it's available in every supermarket or pharmacy and only is about $11.00 for a large bottle. Pink bottle with blue print !!
I tried it when I forgot my own sunblock so I used my new grand daughters sunblock and it worked really great.
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Posted 28 May 2004 - 10:31 AM

We'll look like manly men breaking out the baby bottles. lol user posted image

I'll take a look around too, but we don't have the same things as in the states. user posted image
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Posted 28 May 2004 - 06:05 PM

QUOTE(RichardSkin @ May 28 2004, 01:33 AM)
Also if you want to try very inexpensive titanium/ zinc sunblock that is non comedogenic Try Baby Magic SPF 50 it's available in every supermarket  or pharmacy and only is about $11.00 for a large bottle. Pink bottle with blue print !!
I tried it when I forgot my own sunblock so I used my new grand daughters sunblock and it worked really great.

so Baby Magic is non comodegenic?

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Posted 28 May 2004 - 06:22 PM

You shouln't have any problems with BabyMagic, It doesn't even sting if you get some in your eye. It's the same pH as tears.
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Posted 28 May 2004 - 07:54 PM

lol it takes a REAL man to walk around using a pink bottle of sunblock lol

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Posted 30 May 2004 - 12:44 PM

the only baby magic sunblock i saw at the grocery store had loads of chemical sunblocks in it as well. on the bright side, it had no parsol (which tends to irritate my eyes).
99.5% Clear (skin gets 'congested' PMS week, but no actual breakouts)
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Fragrance-Free Baby Wipes + a few drops Rimmel Makeup Remover solution
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Posted 30 May 2004 - 01:14 PM

The chemicals in the Baby Magic are to protect against the UVB rays which are harmul as well. These chemicals are probably the safest ones. The other that I usually use ( no chemicals ) is made by Fallene and is called Cotz ( pronounced coats ) only titanium and zinc. they do make 2 other with UVB protection but they do contain some of the same chemicals but no Parsol
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Posted 30 May 2004 - 01:17 PM

Jc - your sunscreen contains Lanolin!!! :o Watch out with that, I found it to be very pore-clogging - when using E45 as a moisturiser, which contains a lot of lanolin. I think it depends on the amount in the product though. I suppose the best way to find out is to try it and see...

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Posted 30 May 2004 - 02:33 PM

Thanks Ross...I know...I've been doing some research on the lanolin, and it says that the synthesized (non-natural) lanlin is fairly pore cloggin. That's gotta suck! I was hoping that this would be a good one too.

It's pretty hard to test it out though. Like...how comedogenic is comedogenic? How long (or short) will it take me to break out if indeed it is comedogenic (I know about the 1-5 scales).

Also, would people who are not prone to breakouts also breakout with a very comedogenic ingredient? :think:
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Posted 30 May 2004 - 03:46 PM

i use a very comedonegenic sunscreen

only on the bridge of my nose and upper cheeks

i don't really care
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Posted 30 May 2004 - 03:47 PM

Which one do you use smacks?

And does it ever break you out?
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Posted 31 May 2004 - 01:19 AM

I think different things are comedogenic (and to different degrees, too!) for different people.

For me personally, I always have acne, but I have yet to find anything that I can put on my skin to actually make it worse. So, apparently I'm not sensitive to many/most "comedogenic" ingredients. I still try to be careful most of the time, though. Similarly, I haven't found anything I can put on my skin to make it better, either. Oh well.

Anyway, I suspect that a breakout resulting from a topical would happen relatively quickly (a couple days? *shrug*), as your pores are being clogged from the top down rather than from the bottom up.
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Posted 31 May 2004 - 09:26 AM

There are many people that are sensitive to any form of lanolin, I try to avoid most products with lanolin as one of the main ingredients. Some of my clients don't really have breakouts from the lanolin but almost have an allergic type reaction...stinging, redness and sometimes hives.
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Posted 31 May 2004 - 09:46 AM

Zha...Yeah, that's the scary part. Who KNOWS how long it takes for these comedogenic ingredients to take effect.

Richard...would this allergic type reaction occur on most parts of the body then? I know that the face is the most sensitive, but I'm wondering if, say, if I tried this sunscreen on my arms, might it be a good enough test area. Or maybe the neck? I just want to avoid testing it on my face for the time being.
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Posted 31 May 2004 - 10:04 AM

I would try some on my inner arm ( where your arm bends ) and bit behind your ear. These areas are fairly sensitive and can give a pretty good idea of how your face will react.
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Posted 31 May 2004 - 01:51 PM

This Baby Magic sounds nice. Saw it at the store the other day.

Does it have any moisturizing affect, or does it go on pretty dry? Also, for the people that have used it, would you say its ok for daily use?