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Posted 26 June 2014 - 07:09 AM


I suspect cystic acne tends to be due to a food intolerance. I'd experiment with methodically adding & removing foods & groups of related foods.  Try citrus. It's the cause of my cystic acne.

Or maybe food has very little to do with acne. I got tested for allergies and the citrus food was not the cause of my acne. The dietitian doesn't think so either. Sometimes, people just have really bad skin and the diet doesn't change the situation.

And I suppose sometimes people just get fat, diabetes, heart disease, etc. diet has nothing to do with it?

Allergies are only one of the many ways diet affects acne. And it is absolutely impossible for it not to. Diet affects everything happening in your body and I've clearly unlined many specifics in this thread.

Also, it's very possible your allergy tests are useless. They are all prone to false positives and negatives. And the average test and allergist is only concerned about IgE antibody mediated responses which are not the type involved in acne other than anything that increases inflammation will aggravate acne.

Edited by alternativista, 26 June 2014 - 07:11 AM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 10:28 AM

There is a difference between acne caused by bad eating habits and hereditary acne.

I don't think that someone who is prone to having acne because of their genetic makeup would benefit from cutting diary and gluten if they are used to buying organic and follow a low GI diet in general.

It's needless to say that processes packaged food, refined sugars (as well as sugar in general), soda and hormone-stacked products have no place in a healthy diet, so I understand how someone can improve their acne by completely removing these types of "food" out of their diet.

What I don't agree with is the claim that diet can remove or lessen any person's acne. Some people who have had a healthy diet most of their lives can't prevent acne from happening if they are predisposed to having it.

A massive study of 458 pairs of identical twins and 1099 pairs of fraternal twins found that genes explained 81% of the difference in acne prevalence. Only 19% was explained by non-shared environmental factors (such as diet and stress).

Also, another study compared 204 acne patients with 144 non-acne controls. The researchers compared the difference in rates of acne in first-degree relatives (parent, sibling, and offspring) between patients and controls. They found that having a first-degree relative with acne increases your risk of getting it by 4 times.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 09:31 PM

There is a difference between acne caused by bad eating habits and hereditary acne.

Wrong. We are all prone to having acne because of genetics. Myself included. And everyone else that had posted here about their diet success, And I cleared my skin and keep it clear via a healthy diet and lifestyle.

Point me to that twin study. Where's the link. Who did it? When?

Because your genes do not really control that much. They once thought so, but then our genome was mapped in the last century.and it was discovered that we really don't have that many genes. It is what you do to yourself that matters and is more like 70- 80% of the liklelihood of developing a condition. What matters is gene expression and this changes according to environmental factors, in other words, what you do to yourself. Even your eye color can change as many blue eyed users of Latisse discovered.

Phenotype and epigenetics are two terms you need to learn. Your genes are just a blue print that is not followed to the letter. I don't care what health condition you are talking about. You can say 'it's just your genes' all you want, but you'd be wrong.

I don't know why you are criticizing a thread you clearly didn't read, but if you go back to the first post, you'll find links to threads about all of this.

Edited by alternativista, 27 June 2014 - 12:11 PM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 10:34 PM

Hey,


I don't come up with those ideas myself, so if you think that the published research is wrong that's your prerogative. I'm glad that the changes you've made in your diet and lifestyle have cleared up your skin! From your profile name I could already guess that you're already heavily biased in your views. The fact that you're almost 50 years old is also a huge plus, because statistically speaking you're past the age of getting acne. What's more important is that your acne can be easily manipulated as you've stated, so you should consider yourself very lucky! Since you don't have past pictures of the severity of your acne, I doubt it that it was that bad to begin with.

Before you go on judging people, please don't forget that some are predisposed to having it more than others,and that you shouldn't imply that they are following an inferior diet/lifestyle. It's rude. You probably never had it that bad on first place, or you consumed low quality food. I know Texans deep fry everything :) Whatever the case is, I understand how the switch has worked in your favor.

Just remember that not every single person's acne responds to diet and lifestyle, particularly if one has already been leading a healthy life for years. This is why we have dermatologists who work with patients who are predisposed more than others to having acne and cannot treat it with over the counter products or home remedies. You can easily locate the studies on NIH's website. Regarding your thread- it's 16 pages long and quite disorganized. Maybe you should write a book one day which I'd definitely buy :)


Edited by GetMeTheResults, 26 June 2014 - 11:16 PM.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 06:15 AM


Wrong again. I had extremely severe acne but I cleared my skin before I came to this board and I've never kept pictures of myself, especially not when covered in acne. I could maybe take pictures of my scars for you if you'd like. But I had dermabrasion done several years ago after I figured out with no help from my dermatologist that the worst of my acne, the cysts, were a reaction to citrus, so the scars aren't as deep as they would have been.

And I didn't come up with anything of this myself either. I've posted links to massive amounts of research that support what I say. Where is yours? I don't understand going into a thread packed with research and criticizing it while offering up nothing yourself. I've looked into the genes that affect acne and posted a great deal of information about them. Have you?

This thread is as well organized as possible in this forum and the bulk of what you need is in the first two pages. The rest is people thanking me and asking questions, occasional posts by me about new info that later gets incorporated into the first few organized pages, plus the occasional troll.

I've judged no one except trolls that post nonsense. I've gone to a great deal of effort to help people. But our entire society is following an inferior diet and lifestyle which is why it is such a sickly, drugged up society filled with people going bankrupt from medical bills and children developing diseases that shouldn't occur until old age. People with acne are no more sickly than clear skinned people. It's just that clear skinned people don't get the symptom of acne. I've clearly said that hundreds of times.

The fact that I am almost 50 is not a plus except perhaps in comparison to a 13 year old. People of all ages have acne. We have people here in their 60s. And as I already told you, my acne returns if my diet worsens. I haven't grown out of it. Yes, diet and lifestyle changes aren't going to make puberty suddenly come to a stop. But it could make it better. Anthropologists studying people with natural lifestyles and diets observed that they don't go through such extreme traumatic changes. Puberty should be a more gradual process. And it shouldn't begin at age 10 like is happening here and now.

And I don't need to be reminded that every one is different. That would be why I've post tons of information about issues that can affect acne that have absolutely nothing to do with me and my acne. But absolutely everyone's acne is affected by diet and lifestyle. It isn't possible for it not to. And that applies to just about every other health condition as well.

Here's a good article for you to read to correct your faulty understanding of genetics: http://discovermagaz.../2006/nov/cover  And unless your doctor is a recent grad from a school that acquired updated textbooks from this century, your doctor also likely as a faulty understanding of genetics and the impact of diet, lifestyle and other environmental factors.
 
And btw, this board is filled with people that went to dermatologists for years and took all kinds of their prescribed drugs, yet were not helped at all.  I did it for about 15 years before giving up on them.

Edited by alternativista, 27 June 2014 - 12:15 PM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 11:54 AM

I would like to know what I can do to clear up naturally and I really hope I am a good candidate.

I am supposed to get on a low-dose of Accutane on Monday, but I would be willing to postpone it for an alternative method that would yield the same results. 

I'm already eating organic, no gluten, diary, sugar, coffee and I mostly cook. I used to exercise, but I stopped last month because my skin gets flushed when I run and my acne becomes more obvious (I don't wear makeup when I run).

I have a bunch of supplements that I've researched as well as teas, but I have used them only for a couple of weeks.

I got on a specific birth control (sprintec for 1 month, then switched to BeYaz; total:2 months and still counting) to clear up my skin and I am on doxy 40mg/day. I use tazorac gel at night and aczone during the day. Unfortunately, my skin has only gotten worse.

I also use a gentle foaming wash as well as a glycolic acid (low %, i don't feel any stinging) foaming wash in the AM and the PM.

Any advice?


Edited by GetMeTheResults, 27 June 2014 - 12:08 PM.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 12:01 PM

Wow, I had no idea I'd be confronted in such a way just for having a different opinion.

Can you help me clear up without meds?

Confronted how?  You came here and criticized me with nothing to back it up and without having bothered to read anything. 


Edited by alternativista, 27 June 2014 - 12:01 PM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 12:19 PM

I suppose no.



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Posted 27 June 2014 - 11:56 PM

Question; why does Accutane sometimes "cure" or get rid of cystic acne, even after someone goes through the process of eliminating acne-causing foods and ingredients from their diet?

The reason I ask is because it seems I am in this boat.

I followed many, if not most of the recommendations on this particular thread, a few other threads on these forums, and some websites I researched before taking Accutane. I did not follow every single tip or recommendation I came across online, though (like juicing, or fasting). I must be honest.

The diet changes I made helped greatly. To this day, I don't eat oranges, consume little dairy, and eat foods containing gluten only once or twice a month. All of that worked and still continues to work for me.

Most of the extreme oiliness I experienced (which contributed to my acne) went away 2 years ago, and yet I still continued to get persistent moderate cystic acne. I acquired new scars on occasion, albeit not at the rate I previously did in my mid-twenties.

After trying nearly everything else to compeletly get rid of my acne in the past 2 years, I finally caved and took Accutane. Now, my skin is clear. Still quite red and uneven in many places, but there are no active acne lesions.

Why is it that changing my diet didn't do what Accutane did? Is it something I did wrong when trying to make changes to what I eat and drink?



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 07:04 AM

Question; why does Accutane sometimes "cure" or get rid of cystic acne, even after someone goes through the process of eliminating acne-causing foods and ingredients from their diet?
The reason I ask is because it seems I am in this boat.
I followed many, if not most of the recommendations on this particular thread, a few other threads on these forums, and some websites I researched before taking Accutane. I did not follow every single tip or recommendation I came across online, though (like juicing, or fasting). I must be honest.
The diet changes I made helped greatly. To this day, I don't eat oranges, consume little dairy, and eat foods containing gluten only once or twice a month. All of that worked and still continues to work for me.
Most of the extreme oiliness I experienced (which contributed to my acne) went away 2 years ago, and yet I still continued to get persistent moderate cystic acne. I acquired new scars on occasion, albeit not at the rate I previously did in my mid-twenties.
After trying nearly everything else to compeletly get rid of my acne in the past 2 years, I finally caved and took Accutane. Now, my skin is clear. Still quite red and uneven in many places, but there are no active acne lesions.
Why is it that changing my diet didn't do what Accutane did? Is it something I did wrong when trying to make changes to what I eat and drink?


To answer the last question. Maybe. So, you are still following this diet you say helped you greatly yet giving all the credit to accutane. Well, you better keep it up because the impact of accutane is likely temporary.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 09:27 AM

Question; why does Accutane sometimes "cure" or get rid of cystic acne, even after someone goes through the process of eliminating acne-causing foods and ingredients from their diet?
The reason I ask is because it seems I am in this boat.
I followed many, if not most of the recommendations on this particular thread, a few other threads on these forums, and some websites I researched before taking Accutane. I did not follow every single tip or recommendation I came across online, though (like juicing, or fasting). I must be honest.
The diet changes I made helped greatly. To this day, I don't eat oranges, consume little dairy, and eat foods containing gluten only once or twice a month. All of that worked and still continues to work for me.
Most of the extreme oiliness I experienced (which contributed to my acne) went away 2 years ago, and yet I still continued to get persistent moderate cystic acne. I acquired new scars on occasion, albeit not at the rate I previously did in my mid-twenties.
After trying nearly everything else to compeletly get rid of my acne in the past 2 years, I finally caved and took Accutane. Now, my skin is clear. Still quite red and uneven in many places, but there are no active acne lesions.
Why is it that changing my diet didn't do what Accutane did? Is it something I did wrong when trying to make changes to what I eat and drink?


To answer the last question. Maybe. So, you are still following this diet you say helped you greatly yet giving all the credit to accutane. Well, you better keep it up because the impact of accutane is likely temporary.

Still following the diet, yes. Yet in the past 2 years of being on it, it eradicated most of my acne problems, but not all.

I still continued to get one or two cysts a month, which was a huge improvement in comparison to what I'd been used to. But sometimes those cysts gave me scars, which of course I didn't want.

What I want to know is why exactly I had to resort to Accutane after making all those changes to my diet (even though the diet changes were a fantastic help)?

Why could I still not seem to get rid of my persistent moderate cystic acne?



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:37 PM


Question; why does Accutane sometimes "cure" or get rid of cystic acne, even after someone goes through the process of eliminating acne-causing foods and ingredients from their diet?
The reason I ask is because it seems I am in this boat.
I followed many, if not most of the recommendations on this particular thread, a few other threads on these forums, and some websites I researched before taking Accutane. I did not follow every single tip or recommendation I came across online, though (like juicing, or fasting). I must be honest.
The diet changes I made helped greatly. To this day, I don't eat oranges, consume little dairy, and eat foods containing gluten only once or twice a month. All of that worked and still continues to work for me.
Most of the extreme oiliness I experienced (which contributed to my acne) went away 2 years ago, and yet I still continued to get persistent moderate cystic acne. I acquired new scars on occasion, albeit not at the rate I previously did in my mid-twenties.
After trying nearly everything else to compeletly get rid of my acne in the past 2 years, I finally caved and took Accutane. Now, my skin is clear. Still quite red and uneven in many places, but there are no active acne lesions.
Why is it that changing my diet didn't do what Accutane did? Is it something I did wrong when trying to make changes to what I eat and drink?



To answer the last question. Maybe. So, you are still following this diet you say helped you greatly yet giving all the credit to accutane. Well, you better keep it up because the impact of accutane is likely temporary.
Still following the diet, yes. Yet in the past 2 years of being on it, it eradicated most of my acne problems, but not all.
I still continued to get one or two cysts a month, which was a huge improvement in comparison to what I'd been used to. But sometimes those cysts gave me scars, which of course I didn't want.
What I want to know is why exactly I had to resort to Accutane after making all those changes to my diet (even though the diet changes were a fantastic help)?
Why could I still not seem to get rid of my persistent moderate cystic acne?

Back when I tried accutane I looked it up in the physicians desk reference and it said that how accutane worked wasn't fully understood. And I'll bet you it still says that. The end result is shrunken sebaceous glands and altered sebum composition and cell proliferation.

Accutane is a variation of vitamin A, but a form and amount of vitamin A you shouldn't have in your body. Your skin should make the form of retinoids in the skin. Likely we problem skin prone people have an impaired ability to do that. Yet our skin probably would manage it if we weren't always preventing it from doing so with soap and emulsifying agents. So basically you are orally taking a big dose of something in order to have a small amount in your skin.


Here's a link to a page I found in which someone is gathering information about how accutane works and what else it's impacting besides your acne. Like impairing thyroid hormone, vitamin d and other hormone production. Perhaps that accutane I took is why I am now slightly hypothyroid.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 07:16 PM


Question; why does Accutane sometimes "cure" or get rid of cystic acne, even after someone goes through the process of eliminating acne-causing foods and ingredients from their diet?
The reason I ask is because it seems I am in this boat.
I followed many, if not most of the recommendations on this particular thread, a few other threads on these forums, and some websites I researched before taking Accutane. I did not follow every single tip or recommendation I came across online, though (like juicing, or fasting). I must be honest.
The diet changes I made helped greatly. To this day, I don't eat oranges, consume little dairy, and eat foods containing gluten only once or twice a month. All of that worked and still continues to work for me.
Most of the extreme oiliness I experienced (which contributed to my acne) went away 2 years ago, and yet I still continued to get persistent moderate cystic acne. I acquired new scars on occasion, albeit not at the rate I previously did in my mid-twenties.
After trying nearly everything else to compeletly get rid of my acne in the past 2 years, I finally caved and took Accutane. Now, my skin is clear. Still quite red and uneven in many places, but there are no active acne lesions.
Why is it that changing my diet didn't do what Accutane did? Is it something I did wrong when trying to make changes to what I eat and drink?


To answer the last question. Maybe. So, you are still following this diet you say helped you greatly yet giving all the credit to accutane. Well, you better keep it up because the impact of accutane is likely temporary.
Still following the diet, yes. Yet in the past 2 years of being on it, it eradicated most of my acne problems, but not all.
I still continued to get one or two cysts a month, which was a huge improvement in comparison to what I'd been used to. But sometimes those cysts gave me scars, which of course I didn't want.
What I want to know is why exactly I had to resort to Accutane after making all those changes to my diet (even though the diet changes were a fantastic help)?
Why could I still not seem to get rid of my persistent moderate cystic acne?

Back when I tried accutane I looked it up in the physicians desk reference and it said that how accutane worked wasn't fully understood. And I'll bet you it still says that. The end result is shrunken sebaceous glands and altered sebum composition and cell proliferation.
Accutane is a variation of vitamin A, but a form and amount of vitamin A you shouldn't have in your body. Your skin should make the form of retinoids in the skin. Likely we problem skin prone people have an impaired ability to do that. Yet our skin probably would manage it if we weren't always preventing it from doing so with soap and emulsifying agents. So basically you are orally taking a big dose of something in order to have a small amount in your skin.
Here's a link to a page I found in which someone is gathering information about how accutane works and what else it's impacting besides your acne. Like impairing thyroid hormone, vitamin d and other hormone production. Perhaps that accutane I took is why I am now slightly hypothyroid.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 10:01 PM

Ok, I'm sorry for being a little mean. I'll read every single post you've made because I have some faith in your methods and I have to wait 3 weeks before I get on accutane. I'm also done with my summer class, so guess what I'll be doing (Saturday nights included).

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 11:52 PM

 

 


Question; why does Accutane sometimes "cure" or get rid of cystic acne, even after someone goes through the process of eliminating acne-causing foods and ingredients from their diet?
The reason I ask is because it seems I am in this boat.
I followed many, if not most of the recommendations on this particular thread, a few other threads on these forums, and some websites I researched before taking Accutane. I did not follow every single tip or recommendation I came across online, though (like juicing, or fasting). I must be honest.
The diet changes I made helped greatly. To this day, I don't eat oranges, consume little dairy, and eat foods containing gluten only once or twice a month. All of that worked and still continues to work for me.
Most of the extreme oiliness I experienced (which contributed to my acne) went away 2 years ago, and yet I still continued to get persistent moderate cystic acne. I acquired new scars on occasion, albeit not at the rate I previously did in my mid-twenties.
After trying nearly everything else to compeletly get rid of my acne in the past 2 years, I finally caved and took Accutane. Now, my skin is clear. Still quite red and uneven in many places, but there are no active acne lesions.
Why is it that changing my diet didn't do what Accutane did? Is it something I did wrong when trying to make changes to what I eat and drink?



To answer the last question. Maybe. So, you are still following this diet you say helped you greatly yet giving all the credit to accutane. Well, you better keep it up because the impact of accutane is likely temporary.
Still following the diet, yes. Yet in the past 2 years of being on it, it eradicated most of my acne problems, but not all.
I still continued to get one or two cysts a month, which was a huge improvement in comparison to what I'd been used to. But sometimes those cysts gave me scars, which of course I didn't want.
What I want to know is why exactly I had to resort to Accutane after making all those changes to my diet (even though the diet changes were a fantastic help)?
Why could I still not seem to get rid of my persistent moderate cystic acne?

Back when I tried accutane I looked it up in the physicians desk reference and it said that how accutane worked wasn't fully understood. And I'll bet you it still says that. The end result is shrunken sebaceous glands and altered sebum composition and cell proliferation.

Accutane is a variation of vitamin A, but a form and amount of vitamin A you shouldn't have in your body. Your skin should make the form of retinoids in the skin. Likely we problem skin prone people have an impaired ability to do that. Yet our skin probably would manage it if we weren't always preventing it from doing so with soap and emulsifying agents. So basically you are orally taking a big dose of something in order to have a small amount in your skin.


Here's a link to a page I found in which someone is gathering information about how accutane works and what else it's impacting besides your acne. Like impairing thyroid hormone, vitamin d and other hormone production. Perhaps that accutane I took is why I am now slightly hypothyroid.

Sorry. I didn't get the link you meant to include. Do you mind sending it again?

Here's a link from the Physician's Desk Reference website discussing isotretinoin. Specifically, Claravis, which I took for about 4 months of my 6 month course; http://www.pdr.net/d...id=1651&id=1239

It says here that it's mechanism of action is "... not established. Suspected to inhibit sebaceous gland function and keratinization".

This is what you meant when you stated that the way Accutane works isn't fully understood? Interesting...

On another note, I wanted to include a quote from one of your responses to me in this thread; "
Yet our skin probably would manage it if we weren't always preventing it from doing so with soap and emulsifying agents".
 

I'm a once-a-day face washer who uses a hypoallergenic cleanser. Is this part of my problem?


Edited by CherrySoda08, 28 June 2014 - 11:52 PM.


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 06:59 AM


 


 



Question; why does Accutane sometimes "cure" or get rid of cystic acne, even after someone goes through the process of eliminating acne-causing foods and ingredients from their diet?
The reason I ask is because it seems I am in this boat.
I followed many, if not most of the recommendations on this particular thread, a few other threads on these forums, and some websites I researched before taking Accutane. I did not follow every single tip or recommendation I came across online, though (like juicing, or fasting). I must be honest.
The diet changes I made helped greatly. To this day, I don't eat oranges, consume little dairy, and eat foods containing gluten only once or twice a month. All of that worked and still continues to work for me.
Most of the extreme oiliness I experienced (which contributed to my acne) went away 2 years ago, and yet I still continued to get persistent moderate cystic acne. I acquired new scars on occasion, albeit not at the rate I previously did in my mid-twenties.
After trying nearly everything else to compeletly get rid of my acne in the past 2 years, I finally caved and took Accutane. Now, my skin is clear. Still quite red and uneven in many places, but there are no active acne lesions.
Why is it that changing my diet didn't do what Accutane did? Is it something I did wrong when trying to make changes to what I eat and drink?


To answer the last question. Maybe. So, you are still following this diet you say helped you greatly yet giving all the credit to accutane. Well, you better keep it up because the impact of accutane is likely temporary.
Still following the diet, yes. Yet in the past 2 years of being on it, it eradicated most of my acne problems, but not all.
I still continued to get one or two cysts a month, which was a huge improvement in comparison to what I'd been used to. But sometimes those cysts gave me scars, which of course I didn't want.
What I want to know is why exactly I had to resort to Accutane after making all those changes to my diet (even though the diet changes were a fantastic help)?
Why could I still not seem to get rid of my persistent moderate cystic acne?

Back when I tried accutane I looked it up in the physicians desk reference and it said that how accutane worked wasn't fully understood. And I'll bet you it still says that. The end result is shrunken sebaceous glands and altered sebum composition and cell proliferation.
Accutane is a variation of vitamin A, but a form and amount of vitamin A you shouldn't have in your body. Your skin should make the form of retinoids in the skin. Likely we problem skin prone people have an impaired ability to do that. Yet our skin probably would manage it if we weren't always preventing it from doing so with soap and emulsifying agents. So basically you are orally taking a big dose of something in order to have a small amount in your skin.
Here's a link to a page I found in which someone is gathering information about how accutane works and what else it's impacting besides your acne. Like impairing thyroid hormone, vitamin d and other hormone production. Perhaps that accutane I took is why I am now slightly hypothyroid.
Sorry. I didn't get the link you meant to include. Do you mind sending it again?
Here's a link from the Physician's Desk Reference website discussing isotretinoin. Specifically, Claravis, which I took for about 4 months of my 6 month course; http://www.pdr.net/d...id=1651&id=1239
It says here that it's mechanism of action is "... not established. Suspected to inhibit sebaceous gland function and keratinization".
This is what you meant when you stated that the way Accutane works isn't fully understood? Interesting...
On another note, I wanted to include a quote from one of your responses to me in this thread; "
Yet our skin probably would manage it if we weren't always preventing it from doing so with soap and emulsifying agents".
 
I'm a once-a-day face washer who uses a hypoallergenic cleanser. Is this part of my problem?

Here's the link. http://max001.proboards.com

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 07:47 PM

 

 


 


 



Question; why does Accutane sometimes "cure" or get rid of cystic acne, even after someone goes through the process of eliminating acne-causing foods and ingredients from their diet?
The reason I ask is because it seems I am in this boat.
I followed many, if not most of the recommendations on this particular thread, a few other threads on these forums, and some websites I researched before taking Accutane. I did not follow every single tip or recommendation I came across online, though (like juicing, or fasting). I must be honest.
The diet changes I made helped greatly. To this day, I don't eat oranges, consume little dairy, and eat foods containing gluten only once or twice a month. All of that worked and still continues to work for me.
Most of the extreme oiliness I experienced (which contributed to my acne) went away 2 years ago, and yet I still continued to get persistent moderate cystic acne. I acquired new scars on occasion, albeit not at the rate I previously did in my mid-twenties.
After trying nearly everything else to compeletly get rid of my acne in the past 2 years, I finally caved and took Accutane. Now, my skin is clear. Still quite red and uneven in many places, but there are no active acne lesions.
Why is it that changing my diet didn't do what Accutane did? Is it something I did wrong when trying to make changes to what I eat and drink?


To answer the last question. Maybe. So, you are still following this diet you say helped you greatly yet giving all the credit to accutane. Well, you better keep it up because the impact of accutane is likely temporary.
Still following the diet, yes. Yet in the past 2 years of being on it, it eradicated most of my acne problems, but not all.
I still continued to get one or two cysts a month, which was a huge improvement in comparison to what I'd been used to. But sometimes those cysts gave me scars, which of course I didn't want.
What I want to know is why exactly I had to resort to Accutane after making all those changes to my diet (even though the diet changes were a fantastic help)?
Why could I still not seem to get rid of my persistent moderate cystic acne?

Back when I tried accutane I looked it up in the physicians desk reference and it said that how accutane worked wasn't fully understood. And I'll bet you it still says that. The end result is shrunken sebaceous glands and altered sebum composition and cell proliferation.
Accutane is a variation of vitamin A, but a form and amount of vitamin A you shouldn't have in your body. Your skin should make the form of retinoids in the skin. Likely we problem skin prone people have an impaired ability to do that. Yet our skin probably would manage it if we weren't always preventing it from doing so with soap and emulsifying agents. So basically you are orally taking a big dose of something in order to have a small amount in your skin.
Here's a link to a page I found in which someone is gathering information about how accutane works and what else it's impacting besides your acne. Like impairing thyroid hormone, vitamin d and other hormone production. Perhaps that accutane I took is why I am now slightly hypothyroid.
Sorry. I didn't get the link you meant to include. Do you mind sending it again?
Here's a link from the Physician's Desk Reference website discussing isotretinoin. Specifically, Claravis, which I took for about 4 months of my 6 month course; http://www.pdr.net/d...id=1651&id=1239
It says here that it's mechanism of action is "... not established. Suspected to inhibit sebaceous gland function and keratinization".
This is what you meant when you stated that the way Accutane works isn't fully understood? Interesting...
On another note, I wanted to include a quote from one of your responses to me in this thread; "
Yet our skin probably would manage it if we weren't always preventing it from doing so with soap and emulsifying agents".
 
I'm a once-a-day face washer who uses a hypoallergenic cleanser. Is this part of my problem?

Here's the link. http://max001.proboards.com

Thank you!



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 01:12 AM

Does anyone have a good link on the oil cleansing method? Im thinking of not using any products on my face for the next couple of weeks as an experiment in addition to my diet and supplements. I might also quit my antibiotics and birth control to see what would happen.
My concern is that the oil cleansing method would make the skin oily, clog my pores and not kill the bacteria on the surface.
Thanks

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 08:31 AM

Does anyone have a good link on the oil cleansing method? Im thinking of not using any products on my face for the next couple of weeks as an experiment in addition to my diet and supplements. I might also quit my antibiotics and birth control to see what would happen.
My concern is that the oil cleansing method would make the skin oily, clog my pores and not kill the bacteria on the surface.
Thanks


Choose the right oil. I recommend safflower oil. It is high in the linoleic acid that is a major component of sebum that works and that acne and other problem prone skin is deficient in. Mix in a little castor oil or not. Too much can be drying or irritating.


Edited by alternativista, 30 June 2014 - 03:15 PM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 01:05 PM

GetmetheResults, I use jojoba and tea tree oil mixed, about 2/3 jojoba to 1/3 tea tree. I just feel like I need the antibacterial/antifungal effectiveness of the tea tree oil in there. I think it's partially a paranoia though.

 

I've been using the oil cleansing method (OCM) since about January with jojoba and tea tree. I have not had a break out from these oils, just my normal hormonal breakouts.

 

I switched to Cetaphil for a few days last week and did not like the way it felt at all, so I went back to oil cleansing. I am using Dan's BP during the day and the AHA at night, so I don't know what it would be like with just OCM and nothing else.

 

I am sorry I don't actually have a link like I just noticed you asked for. The issue with picking an oil is that I think it really has to be a process of trial and error. I knew one person who swore that coconut oil cleared him up. It made me break out (it was organic, cold pressed).

 

Jojoba is actually listed on many sites as mildly comedogenic, yet it does not break me out. I haven't had time to invest in trying to figure all of that out though I've read plenty of others' theories. Like a lot of things, I think it comes down to: wow, human bodies are complicated!

 

You can use any number of websites to check comedogenicity. Just Google "comedogenic check"

 

I don't know if that helps. Acne is so sucky. I am sorry we're all even here dealing with it in the first place! Hang in there!


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