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#21 munsoned

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 01:01 PM

thats incredible lamarr. I cant believe you have found a way to improve your scarring to the point of it not even being noticable.

would it be suitable to purchase one of those inexspensive hand held lights from the led man?? I dont even know what these things are other then what I have seen on this site. you put the light on your face everyday for a bit. and its gotta be the red light correct?

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 10:20 PM

This is great! I'm very interested...please keep updating!

well, nevermind, i got all info by searching...looks like a wacky idea, but I will give it a try soon

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 09:58 AM

QUOTE (HolyChicken! @ Nov 27 2008, 05:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is great! I'm very interested...please keep updating!

well, nevermind, i got all info by searching...looks like a wacky idea, but I will give it a try soon



Whats wacky about light therapy. Do a google search on the use of red/infrared and yellow light on collagen production and scar revision.

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 11:21 AM

I wouldn't use mederma gel. Use the terproline twice daily under you normal skin care. I use a physical sunscreen aswell (zinc oxide)... Every day.

Needling is possible on anything that can be seen. Doesn't matter how shallow.

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 11:34 AM

QUOTE (munsoned @ Nov 26 2008, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thats incredible lamarr. I cant believe you have found a way to improve your scarring to the point of it not even being noticable.

would it be suitable to purchase one of those inexspensive hand held lights from the led man?? I dont even know what these things are other then what I have seen on this site. you put the light on your face everyday for a bit. and its gotta be the red light correct?

thanks man... smile.gif



Sure the smaller ones will do the job. You just have to use them on each area for 5 mins per day.

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 11:50 AM

QUOTE (lamarr1986 @ Nov 27 2008, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (munsoned @ Nov 26 2008, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thats incredible lamarr. I cant believe you have found a way to improve your scarring to the point of it not even being noticable.

would it be suitable to purchase one of those inexspensive hand held lights from the led man?? I dont even know what these things are other then what I have seen on this site. you put the light on your face everyday for a bit. and its gotta be the red light correct?

thanks man... smile.gif



Sure the smaller ones will do the job. You just have to use them on each area for 5 mins per day.


I appreciate the help Lamarr. I will get one asap. smile.gif

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 12:44 PM

Larmarr, I googled it and came across this page (http://heelspurs.com/led.html) According to it, LED lights do not treat scars and only facilitate wound healing especially in diabetics...

Now, I got too excited yesterday and decided to place my orders and they cost me about $275 USD , I hope I get a refund for the lights...

But, I'm sure needling will definitely help improving the scars, just was not sure about the LED. Anyways, I would love to hear back from you.




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Posted 27 November 2008 - 12:53 PM

Dude....lol

What do you think needling and dermaroller are? They inflict micro injuries. When you use the LEDs on these injuries you get much better results. Don't just read one study. Some people don't read broadly enough on the subject (e.g. you) no offense.

When the skin is injured a number of substances/chemical signals and processes take place. Essentially the led therapy just makes these processes much more efficient, enabling you to get MUCH better results from scar revision techniques.


If you do the treatments without the lights you will lose out on about 50% more results.

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 02:44 PM

Does anyone know if this terproline can be purchased in the USA? After a little searching, everything comes up UK.



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Posted 27 November 2008 - 03:30 PM

OMG! OK, I'm gonna reorder these lights, I had no idea...

But obviously, according to you, they are magic lamps, so I will forgo my hard-earned beloved dollars if the results will be 50% better. But honestly, once I get the lights, I'm gonna do it in the bathroom where no one can see...

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 04:04 PM

Lamarr,

I know you have been on and perhaps still are on mepacrine to treat some side effects from past medication, do you think the light therapy has played the biggest part in skin healing rather than the mepacrine (i.e for the red marks left after acne, or general skin healing)?

Also, do you think all three types (red, infrared, yellow) of lights are necessary for the best improvements? They have certain purposes I think, and perhaps for the skin healing yellow is best...

Just wanted your thoughts,

Thanks and good luck with your continued success!

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 08:04 PM

In terms of results in improving my scarring the mepacrine has played no role in this....

Getting rid of the inflammation and the redness is due to the mepacrine but the people here don't have rosacea to worry about so... I do believe there is a place for all three wavelengths and don't see the point in NOT using all three when you consider the price of the LEDs and then consider how much we pay for scar revision techniques.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 08:11 PM

QUOTE (lamarr1986 @ Nov 25 2008, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

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clears throat............

Erm, I'm not too sure I understand what this Led man is. And is it only for men?

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 09:33 PM

The LED man is just a guy who makes affordable and well made LED arrays. I don't like to sound like i am advertising him but i just don't know anywhere else that makes them for such reasonable prices.... You could make them yourself for cheaper but not massively so, would also require quite a bit of time unless you are very skilled with a soldering iron.


I am really looking forward to doing my next dermaroller session. A few more and i think i will just top up once per year!


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Posted 03 December 2008 - 05:06 AM

QUOTE (lamarr1986 @ Nov 26 2008, 07:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
These are the needles, they say 5mm but they measure 4mm and i use the stopper. Just make sure your not going the full 4mm and use them at an angle.


Here is a pic of what my skin was like AFTER a few sessions of dermaroller. I don't have any when my skin was at it's worst.

http://img141.images...02007007lk1.jpg

I didn't have proper ice picks but i did have some deep ish boxcars. If you needle them individually you can get up to 80-90% improvement.

The upper scar on my left cheek was actually pretty darm huge. Some of the lines were pretty deep aswell. I have both acne and other scars.

I was pretty ill when the photos were took. thanks to accutane. I really recommend against tane.


ere mate i've gotta say well done...you've made your skin go back to normal again in such a short time !

good on ya mate!


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Posted 03 December 2008 - 06:46 AM

Okay lamarr, I am just making a directions/summary thingo but when do you actually put the terproline and apply LED therapy.

so far I've got Dermaroll => Bactroban after an hour

do i apply terproline straight away? or do I also use light therapy straight away?

oh and btw, this is safe on asian skin right? I am scared that dermarolling might induce hyperpigmentation if I do it aggresively

cheers man, really appreciate your contributions and help

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 08:00 AM

Jann, do a test patch in a slightly less obvious area. This way you can measure your response. It should be NO problem but i don't want to give any garuntees. My gf has some hypopigmentation on her arm and i am causious of using dermaroller on her as she seems to be susceptible to hyporpigmentation from injuries. We plan on testing a small area first.

You don't need to worry too much about applying things for the first 24 hrs post dermaroller. I apply the terproline twice per day and i use the leds after i have washed my face at night, before i apply the terporline. But i don't think it matters too much.

Just apply bactroben/vasoline for the first 24 hrs.

You need some EMLA and cling film for numbing the skin before hand aswell, alcohol swabs and iodine swabs i also use every time. swab with iodine then with the alcohol swabs to remove the iodine dye. You don't want to tattoo yourself...

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:38 AM

What was the timeline of your improvement? I used to needle my scars and it took almost 6 months to see some results. I dont know if it was needling or a combination with tca peels though.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:57 AM

Been needling and dermarolling for about 18 months but using the light therapy in conjunction for about a year.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:25 AM

lamarr, when did you notice the most positive results (ie was it after the LED treatments, or after the 5 rolling session etc)

Also, how was your scarring before? It doesnt look like it could have been that severe

thanks




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