Jump to content

Photo

pantothenic acid vs. pantethine?

pantothenic pantothenic acid

This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
193 replies to this topic

#21 malia

malia

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 441
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 01-April 03

Posted 05 April 2004 - 12:40 AM

2SG:
OMG i feel like we're chasing each other around on these two threads!! LOL anyway if you haven't already posted back on the other, i am ordering from Swansons'

#22 2ShyGuy

2ShyGuy

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 190
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 18-October 03

Posted 05 April 2004 - 05:12 PM

dude123, i know its only been like 2 or 3 days, but have you noticed any difference at all from the pantethine? LIke, drier skin, less pimples, less redness, more pimples, etc?

2sG

#23 dude123

dude123

    Junior Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 59
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 02-February 04

Posted 05 April 2004 - 06:14 PM

QUOTE
dude123, i know its only been like 2 or 3 days, but have you noticed any difference at all from the pantethine?  LIke, drier skin, less pimples, less redness, more pimples, etc?

2sG


I think it may be a little less, oily wise, but then again its really hard to tell because it may be wishful thinking.....the only places that I'm ever oily on my face are my nose, and my forehead, and there loks to be a liitle less on my forehead.....I think it will take some time to really see a difference



I'm taking 5 165 mg. pills a day for a total of 825mg......btw, I did cancel my order at vitacost, and bought the Swanson's, because you did bring up a good point with the dosage...

#24 hopfensp

hopfensp

    New Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 12
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 06-March 04

Posted 05 April 2004 - 09:01 PM

QUOTE
hopfensp:

hmm so no initial breakout when switching to panthetine?


none, but recall I didn't completely stop taking B5, I just lowered my dosage. For all of you who try this, post your results. It appears after searching this board and others on the Internet, I can't seem to find anyone else besides myself who's taking this.

#25 malia

malia

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 441
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 01-April 03

Posted 05 April 2004 - 11:55 PM

hopfensp:

why DID you start taking pantethine? how did you hear about it?

#26 hopfensp

hopfensp

    New Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 12
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 06-March 04

Posted 06 April 2004 - 12:46 AM

QUOTE
hopfensp:  

why DID you start taking pantethine?  how did you hear about it?


malia, I first heard about pantethine on another site www.healthboards.com. I first learned of B5 in late 2000 when it was hardly known to be so beneficial, so I tried it (B5), and I couldn't believe the effects that it gave me. adding that and zinc into my routine definitely helped me to control the problem. But after several months, I came across a post on healthboards.com of a person who was using both pantethine and B5 and claimed that adding panthetine improved his skin more. Then I had only minor breakouts from taking B5 regularly, so I bought some and took B5 and pantethine together for quite some time, and it definitely had more of a beneficial effect. Like I said, my skin became much drier. somehow, it seemed as though my body was using the pantethine more readily than B5. Because now, 300 or 600mg per day for me is equivalent to 6-8g of B5. I now only wish I had discovered B5 and pantethine earlier in my life like when I was in high school. I was also always concerned about the megadosing of the vitamin too.

for the three of you: malia, 2SG, and dude123, I wouldn't stop taking B5 when you get your order, definitely take both for some time and diminish B5 accordingly.

#27 tibman

tibman

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 41
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 07-December 03

Posted 06 April 2004 - 07:41 AM

hopfensp:

I tried B5 for about a month and I liked the results. I just hated having to take that many pills a day. I quite taking it about 3 weeks ago. I just ordered some pantethine yesterday and I will probably start taking 900 mgs of that. Now hopfensp, you said that if people who are on B5 they should take the B5 and pantethine together and slowly diminsh themselves off the B5. What should I do in my situation? Should I just take the pantethine? Or do I need to start back up on B5 as well?

#28 Speedracer

Speedracer

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 153
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 29-March 04

Posted 06 April 2004 - 08:11 AM

I should be getting my vit today, and will keep everyone updated. I had a bad experince with B5, increased hairloss after about a month and a bit, and quit. I gonnas start taking 600mg, since I got 300mg pills. I will take it once in the am and pm, and I doing Botchs' reg right now (using the bp twice a day). I just had a mega breakout on it and have only been using it for a week. However, I did try B's reg about 2 months ago for 5 weeks. Looking back I had general improvment and should have given it more time, I dont know why I gave up. But after trying other things I had somehting to compare too. The thing with b's reg I had breakouts but no breakouts inbetween, and looking back the no breakouts inbetween were getting longer and longer, but I gave up. Well see. Two months this time

#29 Sigurd

Sigurd

    New Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 15
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 03-March 04

Posted 06 April 2004 - 01:06 PM

QUOTE
I had a bad experince with B5, increased hairloss after about a month and a bit, and quit.


Did you regain your hair after you quit B5?

Is there a parallell discussion about pantothenic acid/pantethine in another thread?
*Stûk*

#30 Speedracer

Speedracer

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 153
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 29-March 04

Posted 06 April 2004 - 01:22 PM

No, I have not, but its only been two 1/2 months since I stopped. Hair has long cylcles 3-6 months

#31 hopfensp

hopfensp

    New Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 12
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 06-March 04

Posted 06 April 2004 - 08:29 PM

QUOTE
hopfensp:

I tried B5 for about a month and I liked the results. I just hated having to take that many pills a day. I quite taking it about 3 weeks ago. I just ordered some pantethine yesterday and I will probably start taking 900 mgs of that. Now hopfensp, you said that if people who are on B5 they should take the B5 and pantethine together and slowly diminsh themselves off the B5. What should I do in my situation? Should I just take the pantethine? Or do I need to start back up on B5 as well?


If I were you, I wouldn't have quit taking B5 if the results were good, regardless of the nuisance, anyways, then if I were you, I'd just starting taking pantethine alone then.

#32 malia

malia

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 441
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 01-April 03

Posted 06 April 2004 - 11:07 PM

taken from old threads at clearskin.net

QUOTE
I emailed Dr. Lit-Hung Leung about Pantethine. Here's his reply:  

\"Pantethine, and for that matter, Coenzyme A, are but the active forms that pantothenic acid takes once it gets into the body system. They are probably a little more efficient than calcium pantothenate, the commonly available commercial form of pantothenic acid, but they are much more expensive. If you look up pantethine, you'll find that it is the disulfide dimer of pantetheine, the derivative of which is an intermediate in the conversion of pantothenic acid to coenzyme A. As such, weight for weight, no matter if it is pantothenic acid, or pantethine that you are taking, you end up with approximately the same number of Coenzyme A molecules that they generate. Though with calcium pantothenate, you have the added calcium mo;ecule there, making the molecular weight slightly higher, which means that you have to take a slightly bigger dose of calcium pantothenate than pantethine in order to generate the same number of Coenzyme A in the body.\"


anybody know how to contact this Dr. Leung??

#33 2ShyGuy

2ShyGuy

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 190
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 18-October 03

Posted 07 April 2004 - 12:27 AM

Well, if that is a legit email, his reasoning isn't very, umm, reasoned...

First, his "best" argument against pantethine is the price. He says that pantethine is "probably a little more efficient than calcium pantothenate...but they are much more expensive." To me thats not a very good reason not to switch or add pantethine into one's diet.

He then says, "weight for weight...you end up with the same number of Coenzyme A molecules they they generate." that doesn't sound to scientific to me. First of all, if you take 900 mg (weight) of pantethine vs. 900 mg of pantothenic acid (calcium pantothenate), you will NOT get the same result. Hence the needed 8-10 grams of p. acid that 600-900 mg of pantethine will create.


Basically from that read, he doesnt give any good reasons to not take pantethine over p. acid. I dunno, I just don't think after doing a big study on pantothenic acid that he would retract what he wrote and say, "oh wait, yes pantethine would be better to take."

2SG
On a traffic light green means go and yellow means yield, but on a banana it's just the opposite. Green means hold on, yellow means go ahead, and red means where the fuck did you get that banana at...
-Mitch Hedberg

#34 dude123

dude123

    Junior Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 59
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 02-February 04

Posted 07 April 2004 - 12:22 PM

just to update you on my pantethine supplement, I have definitely noticed less oil on my forehead....It used to become very oily between my eyes, and normally I always had a blemish there, but it is definitely becoming less and less.....I did not see this difference using B5 for 2.5 months either

#35 malia

malia

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 441
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 01-April 03

Posted 07 April 2004 - 03:12 PM

dude123:

when did you start pantethine?

#36 2ShyGuy

2ShyGuy

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 190
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 18-October 03

Posted 07 April 2004 - 03:33 PM

dude123:

Nice to hear that there are already results in such a short time. If you really are experience less oil with this and didtn with pantothenic acid, that is a good sign for me cause p. acid didnt help me either.

I just got my pantethine in today and im anxious to start. what mg did are you taking? I think i'll start with 900 then go to 600 in the next few days.

2SG
On a traffic light green means go and yellow means yield, but on a banana it's just the opposite. Green means hold on, yellow means go ahead, and red means where the fuck did you get that banana at...
-Mitch Hedberg

#37 XGamerX

XGamerX

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 184
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 19-October 03

Posted 07 April 2004 - 03:59 PM

This is funny, but my mom just told me today she ordered some "guglipid" to help lower her cholesterol. I checked the label and it has 25mg guggulsterones like acneva does. I checked some other clinical studies and they have had good results. Since she has them, by chance, I figure ill take Pantethine and Guglipid and stop with all my other vitamins.

This is a big step and I hope this is a smart decision.

OK so for vitamins:

900 mg Pantethine
2000 mg guglipid (50 mg gugulsterones)
100 mg ALA
50 mg DMAE

I hope it works (AKA my acne doesnt come flooding back)

#38 dude123

dude123

    Junior Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 59
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 02-February 04

Posted 07 April 2004 - 04:24 PM

QUOTE
dude123:

when did you start pantethine?


Saturday

#39 dude123

dude123

    Junior Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 59
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 02-February 04

Posted 09 April 2004 - 11:07 AM

hows the pantethine coming 2SG? I should be getting my Swansons order in the mail today.....are you taking 3 per day?

#40 sel8k

sel8k

    New Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 3
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 09-April 04

Posted 09 April 2004 - 01:04 PM

Does this form of treatment help with cystic acne?