Posted 02 September 2011 - 04:25 PM
Posted 06 September 2011 - 03:12 PM
Posted 08 September 2011 - 08:01 PM
I've just been diagnosed with PF a couple of days ago after years and years of suffering. I had chest PF for a while now, about 2x a year, but it would always clear out on it's own after a couple of weeks. I also have to add that otherwise i have flawless skin all over my body, i tan easily, i don't have acne. Even as a teen i didn't have any skin problems...but THIS!
3 months ago i visited my family in Europe and the weather was specially hot and humid. As soon as the plane touched down i started to develop tiny little red bumps on my chest. So i thought, i will have a little break out nothing else. Have to add at this point i didn't know i have PF, i just thought i have sensitive skin on my chest and i have occasional break outs that go away.
I had some salicylic acid wash with me so i used that, which usually helps. Not this time, it was just getting worse, itching like crazy. I had nothing to do until i got back to the States. Then i went to see a dermatologist right away.
He didn't do a culture, only took one look at my chest and diagnosed folliculitis and gave me DUAC topical cream to use once a day, thinking it was bacterial folliculitis. Now i know that there are many types of folliculitis. Bacterial, yeast (fungal), or even viral, in some cases it could also be parasite that causes the problem.
Needles to say the DUAC did not do shit, in fact made it even worse, and irritated the whole area. I stopped, and went back to my dermo to see what he has to say. At this point i have started to research online just to get some free info. And for some reason i instantly thought i have Pityrosporum Folliculitis.
So i asked him if it could be yeast or any other fungus, but he said no. Thinking it's bacterial, he gave me antibiotics (Doxycycl 100mg) for 2 weeks. And said to wash it with any antibacterial wash in case it gets sweaty or something. Otherwise leave it alone.
Again - it didn't do shit. Didn't actually make it worse, but didn't help at all. This has been over 2 months now, and i was really getting tired of it.
At the end of the antibacterial cycle i went to Africa for a month where the weather was super dry, and my problem would still continue.
Also i have tried Apple Cider Vinegar, as at that point i really thought it could be yeast. But it didn't help, which surprised me.
Anyways, i came back from Africa and saw my dermo right away, and demanded a culture at least to see who is the bad guy causing me all this suffering. The culture came back NEGATIVE, not showing any bacterial of fungus. I was in tears, but the doctor consulted with other dermatologists at his office and they all took a look at me. Now saying it could be a type of yeast or fungus that regular culture test wouldn't show. So now they think i have PF, which i thought all along right from the beginning. Funny ha!
He prescribed me Fluconazol 200 mg anti yeast medication. 1 pill a day for 4 days. They are pretty strong. And a foamy thing called Tersi Foam containing 2.25% Selenium Sulfide.
It's been only a day or so and i have taken 1 pill and used the foam once. It hasn't gotten better, but neither worse, and i don't feel any irritation which is a good sign. I will finish the short course treatment. He said to call him tomorrow, i think he really thinks we found the solution, and it should work pretty quickly.
I report back after the course had finished. Fingers crossed. Otherwise i'm gonna try these shampoos everyone is talking about, Nizoral or H&S. I can't wait to be free it's poisoning my life.
Ah, i almost forgot. Before the foam and anti fungal pill, he gave me a gel called Xolagel to try. I'ts anti fungal as well, but it made it worse so i stopped. So weird. I think even within the fungal folliculitis some treatment works for someone, but not for others. You just gotta find your balance with these product, and find the best for you.
Posted 20 September 2011 - 11:58 PM
QUOTE (bumpyguy @ Jun 5 2009, 03:23 PM)
I'm also wondering if there are other things that PF sufferers have in common. Here are some things about me:
I'm lactose intolerant
I get severe migraines (aura/blind with pain)about 4 times a year
I have a chronic sinus problem, but manageable
I'm hardly ever sick, literally go for years with no colds or flu.
Just wondering if others here have these things in common...
No, I don't have any of those problems, but I do get PF (mild, but persistant - mostly on my chest and upper back/shoulders). Just wondering a few things about your history:
Have you taken antibiotics frequently or for long periods of time? I know this can trigger a case of PF in people or cause an existing problem to flare up again.
What is you diet like overall? Do you eat a lot sugars, yeasts, etc? I found that a very low sugar/low yeast diet helped me a lot. I also did a few rounds of antifungal supplements at the same time, which I think helped me. I found Olive leaf to be really helpful - if you look at some of the research on it, its one of the most potent antifungals out there. Before the development of antifungal medications, doctors sometimes used it to treat fungal infections. I also like oil of oregano (a few drops in a glass of water, 2x a day)
Have you tried topical mandelic acid? For me, that has been the most effective topical treatment. It might get a little pricey to use though, if your PF is widespread, but I really love the results I get from it.
I also found that rotating treatment products regularly (topical treatments, and supplements) really helps. PF seems to adapt to most treatment products eventually, and once it does, that treatment may not work as well in the future. I rotate my treatments at least once a month or so.
I am attaching an article I wrote on PF. It may help give you some ideas you haven't tried yet. Let me know if you have any questions. In case you don't want to read the entire document, here are some general recommendations I outlined in the article:
I would also make several general recommendations for dealing with this problem:
1. Kill the fungus topically AND systemically by using:
â€¢ Antifungal cleansers
â€¢ Leave-on antifungal treatments
â€¢ Oral antifungal supplements
â€¢ Dietary changes
â€¢ Products that exfoliate the skin
2. Important: Use multiple antifungal treatments at the same time (either topical or oral supplements, or both), and rotate them on a regular basis (e.g., every few weeks). Do NOT use the antifungal to the point where it stops working. From what I have read and through my and othersâ€™ experiences, once a product stops working, then it doesnâ€™t work well again in the future.
3. Keep the affected area as dry as possible. Minimize use of moisturizers, creams, etc. For folliculitis on the body, applying Gold Bond Powder may help keep area drier â€" this may be particularly good for those living in humid climates.
4. If possible, stop using certain acne medications such as oral and topical antibiotics or topical antibacterial treatments like benzoyl peroxide. Other acne products such as retinoids may not help very much, as there is no clogged pore involved with folliculitis breakouts. If there is a combination of acne and folliculitis, it is probably okay to keep using retinoids, and other products such as salicylic or glycolic acid to treat the acne.
5. Foods to avoid : sugar and yeast containing products (bread, alcohol, etc,), processed/frozen foods, sandwich meat and other processed meats, dairy. Reducing dietary sugar may be very important, as fungus and yeast feed on sugars. According to those who support dietary methods of controlling fungal infections, omitting sugars and yeast helps to starve and kill off the fungus.
6. Also consider adding a probiotic to the diet, especially for those who have taken long courses of antibiotics for acne or other bacterial infections.
7. For body folliculitis, avoid clothing that is rough or that irritates the skin. Cotton clothing and cotton sheets are the best bet.
8. Donâ€™t use fabric softener or harsh detergents on clothing or bedding.
9. Avoid sitting in hottubs/spas or taking really hot baths or showers.
willow, what do you consider to be long term antibiotic treatment? could 5 months of doxycycline (with a week or two break) trigger this?
Also, which anti fungals do you prefer (i know of oregano, coconut oil, apple cider vinegar, grapefruit see exctract), waht else?
Posted 18 January 2012 - 07:45 PM
So, I went to the pharmacist and was prescribed this cream called Travacort, which is a broad spectrum antifungal, antiyeast and anti bacteria cream with 0.1 percent of a type of steroid, which can help with the itching. I used minute amounts of it twice a day on my face (not supposed to put it for more than one week!) and noticed that my folliculitis is diminishing.
However, I do realize that you can't keep using travacort cos it's not really good for patients with acne. Thus, I'm planning to switch to daktarin gold soon.
Hopefully, this helps. Travacort is actually not too bad for those with skin sensitivity.
Posted 02 June 2013 - 01:29 PM
Have this on my chest and treat it with 50/50 propylene glycol. It never fully goes away but i can manage with spraying my chest 2x a week. I started by spraying 2x a day. I wear tank tops and everything! Hope i don't get cancer from all the chemicals I use in the name of clear skin!
Posted 12 November 2013 - 08:07 PM
Hey beautiful people,
I am 22 and have battled with acne on and off since I was 12 (it began after a holiday in Fiji, involving sun and sunblock..).
I am one of those cases who have tried everything! I have been on the BC pill (which I came off this year after 6 years to find out what is actually going on in my body), I have been on doxycycline (which my naturopath is seeing clients for 10 YEARS after they've been on it. It made my extremely sick, gave me acid reflux, strong food intolerances etc. I do not trust drugs!), I have used proactiv solution, which worked for 3 years or so but it is so bad for you and bleaches everything and anything it touches. I have tried all sorts of cleansers, toners, natural remedies etc.
Currently, I am working with a naturopath, of whom I have spent $700 with thus far. I did a liver detox (after having glandular and to start fresh so I can reintroduce foods back into my diet to see what else I am intolerant to, apart from gluten and cheese which I know I cannot eat). She has put my on panthothenic acid, vitex, liquid zinc, magnesium, fish oil, mutli vitamin and an immunity pill. My acne has gone (the large blind type). Keep in mind coming off the pill wrecked havoc with my skin!!
However, this week I did more research and I strongly believe I have pityrosporum folliculitis. I have heaps of flesh bumps on my forehead, near my mouth and I did have a huge outbreak near my collarbone which fixed itself (although I did put apple cider vinegar on the area daily). I contacted my naturopath about it and she said : "This condition comes from the bacteria thriving in the acidity of you body, therefore the acidity needs to change, this is what the detox does and then not introducing the foods that cause the imbalance again. So yes I would treat the condition with exactly what you are doing now but could add a parasite killing formula internally"
So I am going to keep my diet as clean as I can (I am studying to be a nutritionist and need clear skin!). I am also going to get a gel from her (not sure what is it). I have been using head and shoulders and got Nizoral 2% today so will apply this like a lotion, leave for 10 minutes then rinse daily. Maybe even twice. I also put ACV on the area.
I had been using coconut oil and palmarosa oil (which truly helped the other forms of acne) but I think these oils increased the pityrosporum! What a nightmare.
I am going to the Dr tomorrow to get treatment from her too, then work with the naturopath to see what she thinks of me using it. I know that drugs Drs give can cause other issues further down the track. For me, my skin has pityrosporum from the BC Pill, doxycycline and food intolerances. I strongly suggest being aware of what you eat and working with a naturopath to help heal this awful condition.
Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:41 PM
All oils, except MCT oil, aggravate PF, assuming it is induced by malassezia. MCT oil is distilled from coconut oil (and sometimes called fractionated coconut oil), and it is much lighter weight that coconut oil. The science behind MCT oil is that it contains the shorter carbon chains, C 8 and C10, which cannot be metabolized by malassezia. Pure coconut oil is mostly C12 and up, which is a food feast for the yeast.
MCT oil is edible and sold by many places online, but GNC might have some for sale. MCT oil is not so sticky and lumpy too -- altogether much more aesthetic.
Nizoral 1% shampoo is ok, but a better product is Hegor 150 climbazole shampoo, available only on eBay. Nizoral 2% cream is ok too. I've posted extensively about this, and you can find my .pdf that's a Review of OTC Products by looking at my profile and my posts.
Posted 22 January 2014 - 09:48 AM
Sorry to drag up this thread but I am really struggling with this condition and need advice.. I was recently diagnosed after 2 years of being treated for acne and rosacea which probably made this worse. It is predominantly located on my cheeks and the rest of my face with the odd papule on my arm or body. I have been prescribed low dose accutane to treat it. Has anyone had any success treating PF with a low dose? Will it possibly cure it?
I have already taken a high dose last year which cleared me completely but it ended up coming back after I stopped. I have lots of pimples on my back, which the doctor said at the time was acne but now Im starting to doubt that diagnosis having seen a dermatologist. My back is now 100% clear goin on 6 months post accutane.
Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:33 PM
Regardless of what you are taking, whether it is accutane or itrakonazole, the PF will most likely not go away. Why? Simply beacuse the yeast is not the main reason causing PF, our pathetic and almost AIDS-like immune system is. Everyone has yeasts like candida or malassezia (PF), the only difference between us and other people is a weak immune system that is unable to keep yeasts in balance. IMHO, it seems that with the current medicine the only thing we can do is stop dreaming of curing this shit, but instead learn how to keep it under control by developing a daily routine consisting of oral and topic medications. I keep my PF at bay with oral itraconazole(14 tablets per month) and topical zinc pyrithione (2x daily). Unfortunately, that band-air solution is everything we can do right now to deal with PF.
Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:47 PM
Ive been battling PF for almost 2 years. Ive had PF in hot, cold, humid, and dry seasons. It always starts on my chest, then spreads to my neck, face, and back. It is not very itchy, but looks terrible. My skin is generaly dry. Before PF, I had gorgeous skin (sigh*)
I believe PF is my bodies reaction to antibiotics messing w/ my natural staph balance. Western diet and medicine has not helped me :/. I am wary of unatural products. I do not have a lot of $ to spend, but I am willing to try almost anything.
My new plan is to boost my immune system naturally, clean my diet, and get the staph germs back in balance. This site has helped.
PF can be triggered due to low iron levels. What do you think/Know abt this?
Also nasal infections (overgrowth of staph live in your nose) can trigger PF. Thoughts?
Below is a list of what I have tried.
Made it worse:
- Scrubbing/poping blisters
- Salicylic acid
Temporary Topical Solutions:
- Coconut oil
- Tea tree oil
- Head and shoulders
- High culture Yogurt
- Ice bath
- Oral probiotic
- Diet changes ( no sugar/yeast, no caffiene, no booze, more water, more raw garlic, ginger tea)
- Astragalus root capsules- 16 % polysaccharides
Posted 25 October 2014 - 04:46 PM
It's really affecting my life.. Is there any way to cure it without going to a derm? I've been using nizoral 1% and I think it's been helping a little bit
Posted 20 November 2014 - 09:03 PM
Update: now is december 28 I took ketononazole for 3 or 4 weeks and that really cleared up all in my neck, chest and collarbone, I have anything on that area but scars, also I have less bumps on my checks but I'm breaking out a little on my forehead, also I remember that the green tea made break out so bad, so im not taking that anymore, I'm doing an only water regiment to clear all my acne on my face I also have dermatillomania so I'm dealing with the scars I got from my picking on my face and chest, many things happening on my skin right?
If you have thousands of tiny bumps like that itch on your chest and collarbone try ketononazole two pills a day that's really good.
Edited by esteban211, 28 December 2014 - 02:11 AM.
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