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#1 Kodi

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 10:18 PM

Prologue: What you're going to read is pretty much a combination of two long posts I recently made. If you've read them, I hope you understand my point, and put it to use! : -) If you've not read them, then here we go...

I've had good skin for quite a while now but I never posted how I achieved it, because I felt everything one needed to know was already out there, and not hard to find at all. But this board has gotten so cluttered with short-sighted and practically rhetorical questions, such as "Will x give me breakouts?" and "Will y get rid of my acne?", that I grit my teeth in frustration trying to type a response. Dairy is probably the most common victim to such inquiries. For example:

"I stopped drinking milk and I'm convinced my skin got better, etc etc"

I'm going to assume that the milks referred to by these messages are store-bought milks, in which case I'm always tempted to say: "No shit!"; of COURSE cutting out pasteurized and homogenized milks provided to you by sickly cows fed everything under the sun (including their own feces) but grass and pumped with antibiotics (literally, "against life") will be beneficial to you! Then, a revolution starts against dairy, lead by people–who realized that giving up this toxin made improvement–claiming they are allergic to everything dairy related (which my be the case now, but this can be "fixed"). I've actually done a food-sensitivity test (the one where they drop, I guess, the protein of a food onto your arm and see the reaction) before (which I do not recommend; if you have Candida, you could be allergic to everything), and I tested “allergic” to many foods, many of which I eat regularly now.

Concerning the "Will this get rid of my acne": no, it probably won't. If you have acne, you have an imbalance in you body, whether it be wacky hormones, slow metabolism, low digestive fire, excess waste/heavy metals, low gut flora count, etc. All these illnesses/diseases/conditions are intertwined with each other, in the sense that they can be traced back to weak/overloaded organs (liver, kidney), which are burdened into their poor state because of what their "owners" digest (or don't digest). I have read few stories about how one supplement has cleared a person totally, because there is usually more than one imbalance in the body. Plus, the goal is to get off all (bar perhaps herbs and enzymes) supplements eventually (think of the extra income each month! : -))!

In a nutshell, I cleansed my body, toned it, and repeated until my skin cleared up. And it didn’t just clear up; my skin looked smoother (my body repaired the damage I inflicted upon my skin from abusing harsh chemicals), brighter, and I got “rosy cheeks! As well, many of my daily annoyances disappeared; I woke to up a clear throat and nose, free of mucus (and it still is, except on the occasional terrible cheat day), my hair became noticeably fuller (I was losing a lot of hair before), and my physique improved. The most important thing (to, I think, many people on this board), is that I was able restore my body to the point where I can “eat whatever I want”. Now, get that notion of stuffing an entire pizza out of your head. I want personally want to eat is food that is as natural as possible. I get my cream and butter from a farm, brought to earth by free-range cows (unfortunately, no one sells raw near where I live). I get my vegetables and fruits from my mother, who is friendly with a friend of a local organic farmer (helps me eat according to season and climate also). When I cheat (IMPORTANT: cheating is prohibited during the cleansing stage! I started to have cheats only after a series of cleanses and tones), I get the best: wood-fried pizza from a restaurant by a ski resort that utilizes top quality organic ingredients.

Shelley De Lange has a basic layout that most people can follow to kick start their journey to health:

http://www.askshelle...tal_cleanse.htm

I did LOADS and LOADS of reading on sites dedicated to holistic medicine and lifestyles (Ayurveda, Chinese, proper food combination, metabolic type, paleo, etc), and took bits and pieces from all of them (you'll probably never find a lifestyle, created by someone else, that you'll be able to follow indefinitely). This involved changing things that I never thought would matter, such as the type of cookware I use, the detergents that I used, the area which I choose to reside in, the quality of my water, my car, how I store my food, etc. It was hard. As I was brain-washed by the countless messages that the media bombards us with (store-bought homogenized pasteurized destroyed skim milk will build strong bones! Genetically modified wheat processed into squares and seethed in preservatives is vital to good bowel movements!), I had a hard time absorbing that everything I once thought was healthy, is actually shit.

If you are still searching for the cure, be prepared to do loads of reading:

http://www.askshelle....php?p=all#a158
http://curezone.com/...ases/health.asp
http://curezone.com/

This is to all those who constantly come and bash the acne-diet connection:
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." - a Chinese Proverb."

I made this one myself:
"If you have acne, then something is wrong with you; and if you not clear from whatever holistic regime you choose to follow, you are doing something wrong."

edit: added a picture of myself, and a nice diagram of my procedure

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 11:21 PM

Your skin looks amazing! Good job..... How bad was your acne before?

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 11:50 PM

This is a great post! It should be stickied

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 12:33 AM

QUOTE (Leah_ @ Feb 16 2008, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your skin looks amazing! Good job..... How bad was your acne before?


Thank you! I personally would say I had moderate acne. Not too many extremely explosive cysts, but a plethora of whiteheads. Plus, my skin texture, even where they was no acne, and appearance was not good. If I posted a picture of the past me (which I don't have, unfortunately; I think I'll have to ask some friends, who were all amazing enough not to give two shits about my acne. But that will be an awkward request: "Hey, do you have any picture of me when my skin was bad?"), this board would probably say mild. However, I find that, when asking "How bad is my acne?", people often sugarcoat things. This is perfectly natural, of course, but not always helpful...

QUOTE (Tasha90 @ Feb 16 2008, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is a great post! It should be stickied


Thank you, also! However, I'll have to make some major edits to the grammar, structure, points and pretty much everything to my post before it can even considered to be stickied. I wrote this in a short time, so mistakes are many, and there are a lot more issues I want to present.I couldn't bring myself to work on my school work until I was finished this post though. It's been bugging me for a long time, and some of the recent posts in the last week finally ignited the fire under my ass (wind beneath my wings!) to at least post SOMETHING.

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:04 PM

Awesome Kodi! I have added you to the Holistically Clear Skin Club.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 02:27 PM

Thanks for posting this.

I was wondering if you have many other dietary restrictions -- no gluten, no sugar, etc.

Also, how did you feel while doing the cleanse? I am interested in doing a cleanse, but if I fast, I feel very very bad -- sweats, sick, faint, see stars, etc. So, I am afraid to do it.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 03:39 PM

Mainly, I respect your post and think you will have a lot to share after all your research and lifestyle changes, that is to your credit.

However, in reading the "tone" of your topic post I can already see some things that concern me. My problem is not about your information, but how you present your information and what I perceive as a strong reactionary/inflammatory viewpoint and even somewhat condescending.

The first that concerns me is, "I've actually done a food-sensitivity test (the one where they drop, I guess, the protein of a food onto your arm and see the reaction) before (which I do not recommend; if you have Candida, you could be allergic to everything), and I tested “allergic” to many foods, many of which I eat regularly now." The skin test for food reactions is regarded by many as not very telling, and a distant second to bloodwork testing. Unfortunately there's a much higher cost $$$ associated with bloodwork that may be a roadblock for someone looking for answers.

Here's another, "(you'll probably never find a lifestyle, created by someone else, that you'll be able to follow indefinitely)." BTW, this would include you Kodi. No one is going to buy 100% of what you claim or follow you forever as well. I would hope you would realize this. You're entitled to your own viewpoint, but please realize others have theirs as well. What has worked for you, may not work for someone else and vice versa.

Lastly, you speak of dairy and how the United States dairy system currently operates. While I share a great deal of your viewpoint, I would also like to point out that the U.S. is a giant melting pot of different ethnic groups and races. The reason I bring this up is that according to the W.H.O. (World Health Organization) 70%+ of the world (noncaucasian- mainly outside the U.S.) is lactose intolerant. To the best of my knowledge lactose is found in all dairy products. That would pretty much speak to there being more than just a caucasian viewpoint (assuming you are by your picture, who knows? ) when it comes to milk/dairy products. Also, I'm seeing overseas posters on this site more and more. Who knows what their ethnic mix is or intolerance to different foods? I don't. And I greatly suspect their diet is much different than Americans.

Please remember that each individual's experience, makeup, behaviors etc. are different, unique would be a better word. I believe the reasons we all come here are for help and support of other acne sufferers. Please try and respect that other people are going to have different viewpoints than your own, and your acne is different than their's.

As far as getting into the causation of acne I don't think this is the place to do it, but I would say that there are many things that could be pointed to, IMHO that's something to keep in mind for everyone as well. I know from mine and other's experiences there can be many causes.

BTW, I've seen my own acne just leave for years. I did nothing different, no supplements, no dietary changes, no sleep change, no sex change (too much or too little lol.gif), no stress, nothing was any different. Can I explain that? No I sure can't.

In my own postings, I made a mistake about another topic that had to do with "washing your nuts." (Nuts as in peanuts, almonds etc. lol.gif ) I really wasn't clear in my posting about my viewpoint for one, and I really dismissed it as something that wasn't "crucial" to my own consumption of peanuts and the like. But to some, it is important and for that I was wrong and I apologize. I tried to find the post and apologize but I couldn't locate it.

Now, I'm not asking you to apologize, but I am asking that you consider someone else's viewpoint as well, and also that they may just find something else that solves their acne problem that has nothing to do with what you or I say.

I've gone on enuf. I hope you continue to post, as I believe you have much to share, but I'm just asking that consider someone else's POV as well. Thank you. hifive.gif yinyang.gif thumbsup.gif


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Posted 29 February 2008 - 03:39 PM

Kodi, I've noticed from previous posts of yours that you are very well informed when it comes to food and nutrition etc. I think your approach is a good one, looking at many aspects rather than just concentrating on a single one.

It's great to see people who have obviously spent so much time trying to figure out how to get their skin clear willing to spend a little more to try and help others and pass on what they know.

I honestly think the collective knowledge on here puts some of these so called skin specialists to shame.

Much kudos to you, and everyone else here for that matter biggrin.gif

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 04:14 PM

BarryAllen, either re-read the original post, OR you truly DON'T "get" Kodi. You're missing the message.

The whole point is to find your own way.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 04:15 PM

QUOTE (nil @ Feb 29 2008, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kodi, I've noticed from previous posts of yours that you are very well informed when it comes to food and nutrition etc. I think your approach is a good one, looking at many aspects rather than just concentrating on a single one.

It's great to see people who have obviously spent so much time trying to figure out how to get their skin clear willing to spend a little more to try and help others and pass on what they know.

I honestly think the collective knowledge on here puts some of these so called skin specialists to shame.

Much kudos to you, and everyone else here for that matter biggrin.gif



Kodi, I do agree with you that americans have bad milk ect... I think you summed up the basics on the reasons for acne, I think anyone bashing the acne diet connection is doing something wrong. Most Asians and Americans cant consume lactose. avoiding milk should be the first thing people do. I think everyone should stop consuming junk and eat all natural and move on from there looking up lots of info. you should post what you did with your specifics so people can gleen so as to speak, off your regemin along with others. That will help everyone one learn . It is good you took time to write your post. you didnt seem too judgmental to me but maybe thats because Im asian too.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 07:26 PM

QUOTE (Healthoid @ Feb 28 2008, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Awesome Kodi! I have added you to the Holistically Clear Skin Club.


Thank you! You have been very inspiring.

QUOTE (merf @ Feb 29 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for posting this.

I was wondering if you have many other dietary restrictions -- no gluten, no sugar, etc.

Also, how did you feel while doing the cleanse? I am interested in doing a cleanse, but if I fast, I feel very very bad -- sweats, sick, faint, see stars, etc. So, I am afraid to do it.


I don't restrict a certain component of some foods (for example, gluten and sugar, like you said). Rather, I restrict my consumption of food based on their quality. Sliced processed cheese? Hell no. Raw cheese? Often, and even occasionally melted with salads. Genetically modified Wonderbread? No! Homemade sprouted grain bread? Every now and then, though I'm not very accomplished at making homemade bread yet; my last loaf was disastrous!

Of course, I will consent slightly when I'm out of my house; I'm not going to refuse a friend's homemade lasagna! I just won't go crazy and eat a lot of it; a small slice is fine for me. Regardless of how it tastes and what it is made of, I’ll usually still complement the maker. ;-)

Concerning the cleanse: You don't necessarily have to do a total fast to detoxify your body. Hear, check this site out:

http://www.askshelle...tal_cleanse.htm

"Ultimately, what I wish for all my readers is that they figure out what is best for themselves and create their own customized cleanses based on their unique needs. But while you’re learning, you can do this basic cleanse that is designed to suit most body types.

This cleanse is designed to restore proper bowel function, revitalize major organs, restore proper bowel flora and increase the power of digestion and metabolism. It cleanses every system and tissue and flushes the body with alkaline minerals in order to facilitate the shedding of acids and protein deposits causing arthritic pain and tension.
"

My cleanse was similar to the protocol on that page. Don't let the huge shopping list scare you away; after I adjusted the protocol based on my needs, I didn't actually need all the things listed. Some items are quite expensive; others are standard household items (or should be, at least), and the rest are inexpensive. The good thing is that the only supplement I have now is a bottle of digestive enzymes, but you may even be able to get off all/most supplements at some point, as that is one of the many goals.

Take into account possible problematic issues not discussed in that protocol, such as the quality of your cookware, air, house paint, etc; all those can factors can conflict with your cleansing. As much as we all love that new car smell, we would all be wise to avoid those chemicals!

QUOTE (BarryAllen @ Feb 29 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mainly, I respect your post and think you will have a lot to share after all your research and lifestyle changes, that is to your credit.

However, in reading the "tone" of your topic post I can already see some things that concern me. My problem is not about your information, but how you present your information and what I perceive as a strong reactionary/inflammatory viewpoint and even somewhat condescending.


Hi! I do admit I was quite aggressive and condescending in my post above; my apologizes for my bluntness! Except for in dairy-related topics and “Will x do y” topics, I can almost always keep my composure!

If I remember correctly, I was pretty flabbergasted at the unhelpful information that had been circulating on the boards prior my post, and finally popped on the day I made this topic after an adamant poster kept denying a link between diet (along with other holistic practices) and acne. whistling.gif(

QUOTE (BarryAllen @ Feb 29 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The first that concerns me is, "I've actually done a food-sensitivity test (the one where they drop, I guess, the protein of a food onto your arm and see the reaction) before (which I do not recommend; if you have Candida, you could be allergic to everything), and I tested “allergic” to many foods, many of which I eat regularly now." The skin test for food reactions is regarded by many as not very telling, and a distant second to bloodwork testing. Unfortunately there's a much higher cost $$$ associated with bloodwork that may be a roadblock for someone looking for answers.


The thing is, a person will test positive for allergic reaction to many foods he/she has consumed greatly prior to whatever food allergy testing he/she chooses to undertake, if he/she suffers from a severe Candida overgrowth, an increase in gut permeability, Celiac Sprue, and whatever other afflictions that allow food molecules that are not fully digested to enter the blood. This is because the person's immune system will, overtime, build antibodies against undigested foods that make their way into the blood. If, by chance, a part of the person’s many tissues has an antigenic (triggering immune response) site similar to one on the undigested foods, he/she will succumb to attack by the created needless antibodies, resulting in an allergic reaction (the proper term is immunological cross tolerance).

So, I suppose getting one prior to detoxification diet is not a disservice, but the result should no be the gospel to what one should eat, as one should eventually be able to tolerate those foods he/she could not before, after some serious boycotting, cleansing and rebuilding (especially if he/she, like me, tested positive for an allergic reaction to every food). And I, like you, also recommend a bloodwork test (rather than the skin sensitivity one that I did)!

QUOTE (BarryAllen @ Feb 29 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here's another, "(you'll probably never find a lifestyle, created by someone else, that you'll be able to follow indefinitely)." BTW, this would include you Kodi. No one is going to buy 100% of what you claim or follow you forever as well. I would hope you would realize this. You're entitled to your own viewpoint, but please realize others have theirs as well. What has worked for you, may not work for someone else and vice versa.


Hence, I didn’t post my very specific regime because I know it will not work for every single person on this board, assuming he/she even has the schedule to accommodate it. Instead, I posted a basic cleansing protocol that people can hopefully adjust their schedules and evoke some determinations to follow.

QUOTE (BarryAllen @ Feb 29 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lastly, you speak of dairy and how the United States dairy system currently operates. While I share a great deal of your viewpoint, I would also like to point out that the U.S. is a giant melting pot of different ethnic groups and races. The reason I bring this up is that according to the W.H.O. (World Health Organization) 70%+ of the world (noncaucasian- mainly outside the U.S.) is lactose intolerant. To the best of my knowledge lactose is found in all dairy products. That would pretty much speak to there being more than just a caucasian viewpoint (assuming you are by your picture, who knows? ) when it comes to milk/dairy products. Also, I'm seeing overseas posters on this site more and more. Who knows what their ethnic mix is or intolerance to different foods? I don't. And I greatly suspect their diet is much different than Americans.


My bad, but I can’t see a connection with this to my above post? But regardless, everything you seems true!

Edit: Are you referring my saying of how one can “fix” their intolerance to dairy? I do believe that one can eventually tolerate whatever sensitivity he/she has with milk by boycotting it for a period of time, and slowly reintroducing it in the form of raw milk from grass-fed cows. Concerning lactose: raw milk has various enzymes, including lactase, which will digest milk sugar. As well, if raw milk if left to stand, beneficial microbes (including lactobacillus and bifida) will digest milk sugar and excrete lactic acid; this acid curdles the milk and results in the renowned probiotic food, yogurt. On the other hand, pasteurized milk will simply rot and putrefy, and must require an addition of bacteria from another source to be made into yogurt.

As we are wrongly taught by the media to drink a considerable amount of poor quality milk (ie: probably 90% of store bought milk) every single day for the rest of our lives (and with a meal too; perfect combination in the stomach for indigestion!), no doubt is milk such an issue with so many people.

For health, people should eat a rotation diet (thus always changing what they consume; eating according to season can help regarding vegetables and fruits).


QUOTE (BarryAllen @ Feb 29 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please remember that each individual's experience, makeup, behaviors etc. are different, unique would be a better word. I believe the reasons we all come here are for help and support of other acne sufferers. Please try and respect that other people are going to have different viewpoints than your own, and your acne is different than their's.

As far as getting into the causation of acne I don't think this is the place to do it, but I would say that there are many things that could be pointed to, IMHO that's something to keep in mind for everyone as well. I know from mine and other's experiences there can be many causes.


I’m going to be adamant here; I do believe all acne develops due to an imbalance in the body, and that every single imbalance can be traced back to, and fixed, with changes in diet and lifestyle (some good examples made by our fellow posters to counter the topic that tried to impugn the acne-diet correlation). Naturally, I think that the best way to fight acne is from the inside; I hope, at some point, that everyone who is still slathering on topical medication day and night will be able to stop their demanding and harmful (long-term wise) regime.

QUOTE (BarryAllen @ Feb 29 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BTW, I've seen my own acne just leave for years. I did nothing different, no supplements, no dietary changes, no sleep change, no sex change (too much or too little lol.gif), no stress, nothing was any different. Can I explain that? No I sure can't.


First off: congratulations for having clear skin! amused.gif As for how you achieved it, I’m sure nobody on this planet will ever know; the human body is very complex. I do acknowledge your situation is very possible and even common (it was the case with my brother and many people I know, though their acne was ever extremely problematic).

However, I also advise those who have not cleared up to make some changes in their diet lifestyles, as not everyone will simply clear up overtime

QUOTE (BarryAllen @ Feb 29 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In my own postings, I made a mistake about another topic that had to do with "washing your nuts." (Nuts as in peanuts, almonds etc. lol.gif ) I really wasn't clear in my posting about my viewpoint for one, and I really dismissed it as something that wasn't "crucial" to my own consumption of peanuts and the like. But to some, it is important and for that I was wrong and I apologize. I tried to find the post and apologize but I couldn't locate it.


No need to search for it; I remember that topic very well! ;-) Poor topic creator; it wasn’t her fault what she said can be misconstrued as a sexual innuendo! whistling.gifD

QUOTE (BarryAllen @ Feb 29 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now, I'm not asking you to apologize, but I am asking that you consider someone else's viewpoint as well, and also that they may just find something else that solves their acne problem that has nothing to do with what you or I say.

I've gone on enuf. I hope you continue to post, as I believe you have much to share, but I'm just asking that consider someone else's POV as well. Thank you. hifive.gif yinyang.gif thumbsup.gif


As I’ve written before, I do believe all acne develops due to an imbalance in the body, and that diet is the best way to go about combating acne. I will probably never change my view on this; I hope you understand! eusa_pray.gif

However, I do appreciate that we can without maligning each other! amused.gif This is not common on this forum. ;-)

QUOTE (nil @ Feb 29 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kodi, I've noticed from previous posts of yours that you are very well informed when it comes to food and nutrition etc. I think your approach is a good one, looking at many aspects rather than just concentrating on a single one.

It's great to see people who have obviously spent so much time trying to figure out how to get their skin clear willing to spend a little more to try and help others and pass on what they know.

I honestly think the collective knowledge on here puts some of these so called skin specialists to shame.

Much kudos to you, and everyone else here for that matter biggrin.gif


Thank you! amused.gif

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE (sie @ Feb 29 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The whole point is to find your own way.


Yes!!! amused.gifamused.gifamused.gif

Though, I lean more towards changing diet rather than any other method. I don't wish anyone, even my arch nemesis (even if I had one), to be a slave of a hour-long topical medication-slathering regime. I did that for 2 years with mixed results (somewhat clear skin accompanied by terrible skin texture), and those mornings and nights of saturating my face with God know's what chemicals were some of the most depressing and frustrating moments of my life so far. I know people argue that a diet change is as well restricting, but it really isn't at all.

QUOTE (siayae @ Feb 29 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kodi, I do agree with you that americans have bad milk ect... I think you summed up the basics on the reasons for acne, I think anyone bashing the acne diet connection is doing something wrong. Most Asians and Americans cant consume lactose. avoiding milk should be the first thing people do. I think everyone should stop consuming junk and eat all natural and move on from there looking up lots of info. you should post what you did with your specifics so people can gleen so as to speak, off your regemin along with others. That will help everyone one learn . It is good you took time to write your post. you didnt seem too judgmental to me but maybe thats because Im asian too.


I have to ask a question (and not in a confronting way; I'm just very curious!): what is it in my writing that hints to solely Americans having bad milk? I've skimmed my first post, and I can't interpret just Americans having bad milk from anything I wrote, though I might have missed something. eusa_doh.gif

Regardless, there are very few places on Earth where good quality milk is readily and conveniently available. sad.gif It is so unfortunate; properly handled farm fresh milk from humanely treated grass-fed cows/goats/seeps/whatever (doesn't necessarily have to be raw; you can boil it once you get it home!) is a practically an elixir of life.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 07:58 PM

QUOTE (Kodi @ Feb 29 2008, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (merf @ Feb 29 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for posting this.

I was wondering if you have many other dietary restrictions -- no gluten, no sugar, etc.

Also, how did you feel while doing the cleanse? I am interested in doing a cleanse, but if I fast, I feel very very bad -- sweats, sick, faint, see stars, etc. So, I am afraid to do it.


I don't restrict a certain component of some foods (for example, gluten and sugar, like you said). Rather, I restrict my consumption of food based on their quality. Sliced processed cheese? Hell no. Raw cheese? Often, and even occasionally melted with salads. Genetically modified Wonderbread? No! Homemade sprouted grain bread? Every now and then, though I'm not very accomplished at making homemade bread yet; my last loaf was disastrous!

Of course, I will consent slightly when I'm out of my house; I'm not going to refuse a friend's homemade lasagna! I just won't go crazy and eat a lot of it; a small slice is fine for me. Regardless of how it tastes and what it is made of, I’ll usually still complement the maker. ;-)

Concerning the cleanse: You don't necessarily have to do a total fast to detoxify your body. Hear, check this site out:

http://www.askshelle...tal_cleanse.htm

My cleanse was similar to the protocol on that page. Don't let the huge shopping list scare you away; after I adjusted the protocol based on my needs, I didn't actually need all the things listed. Some items are quite expensive; others are standard household items (or should be, at least), and the rest are inexpensive. The good thing is that the only supplement I have now is a bottle of digestive enzymes, but you may even be able to get off all/most supplements at some point, as that is one of the many goals.



Interesting. I did read that vital cleanse page on askshelley, and it still seemed like fasting to me. Perhaps not though, maybe I'd get enough in my system to not faint. I'd love to give it a try.

Not quite ready, though. First I'm going to take a colon cleanse supplement for a while and drink a boatload of detox tea for a month.

I'd like to do the cleanse, though, because I believe strongly that it is important for overall good health.

Did you ever have terrible will power when it came to food? I am awful, I have a terrible time with moderation and restriction. I love chocolate, pasta, bread, butter, milk, etc. Was it hard for you to make your dietary changes?

QUOTE (Kodi @ Feb 29 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Regardless, there are very few places on Earth where good quality milk is readily and conveniently available. sad.gif It is so unfortunate; properly handled farm fresh milk from humanely treated grass-fed cows/goats/seeps/whatever (doesn't necessarily have to be raw; you can boil it once you get it home!) is a practically an elixir of life.


I don't have the first idea where to get good quality milk or butter.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 09:28 PM

QUOTE (merf @ Feb 29 2008, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not quite ready, though. First I'm going to take a colon cleanse supplement for a while and drink a boatload of detox tea for a month.

I'd like to do the cleanse, though, because I believe strongly that it is important for overall good health.

Did you ever have terrible will power when it came to food? I am awful, I have a terrible time with moderation and restriction. I love chocolate, pasta, bread, butter, milk, etc. Was it hard for you to make your dietary changes?

QUOTE (Kodi @ Feb 29 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Regardless, there are very few places on Earth where good quality milk is readily and conveniently available. sad.gif It is so unfortunate; properly handled farm fresh milk from humanely treated grass-fed cows/goats/seeps/whatever (doesn't necessarily have to be raw; you can boil it once you get it home!) is a practically an elixir of life.


I don't have the first idea where to get good quality milk or butter.


It's good that you can recognize you are not ready yet! Even if you can’t start yet, you are doing well by cleansing your colon and drinking detoxifying teas; it will make your journey much easier! At least I think so; I started cleansing at a young age, so I didn’t have a horrible “die-off” reaction. I’ve read anecdotes from people more than twice the number of years on me talk about their experiences with detoxification, and they definitely had a much harder time. The older you are, the more opportunities you have had to poison yourself.

I can see how the first stage of Shelley's cleansing protocol can be hard to dive into. Her protocol doesn’t require you fully fast, except for the initial 3-5 days, during which you can still drink various liquids. As well, you don’t really have to follow her schedule exactly; alter it to best fit you. Of course, practice common sense! amused.gif

My willpower is not terribly good either. What I found helpful was to keep myself busy, but not with strenuous activities. I simply could not stick to a strict schedule if I had a major assignment or performance due soon, or if I was bored, during which I would always crave something. As well, I had a hard time cleansing when I was not feeling great (ie: had a minor headache from whatever obstacle life threw at my head). Rather, if I was hooked onto a non-competitive video game or had something minor on my mind, like a book, I never really thought about “cheating.” I can’t recommend any specific time, but I know for sure that you will have trouble cleansing under stress, as well as if you are so relaxed to the point of boredom.

Ugh, that wasn’t terribly helpful, huh? You’ll find your own way by trying, really. amused.gif Don’t worry about failure; I (and I’m sure every single person who has ever attempted to do any cleansing protocol) have failed many times. After a couple of times, it will become a routine, like brushing teeth.

Concerning good quality dairy: you'll have to ask around, phone people, do some networking to find a good farm near you, where the owner is willing to sell. I almost always buy farm fresh dairy, but it's more important with milk and cream. For butter, the organic cultured (sometimes called European style?) variety will do well.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 02:44 PM

cool.gif Kodi- Thank you for the time to answer my post with a well thought out response. Also, thank you for explaining yourself further and for the respectful tone of your post. As you stated, it seems uncommon in these forums.

I certainly respect your viewpoint that all acne is developed by an imbalance in the body.

I also understand your frustration at reading different posts with people looking for quick fixes rather than lifestyle/dietary changes. Another POV I have (that you might share) is I believe the healing power of the human body is unlimited; it's just a matter of finding out "how?"

Also, as you've expanded on your viewpoints I can see there is really much we agree on, so I appreciate you taking that time as well. Thank you.

In so far as dairy products, I was only saying that there are different dairy intakes and diets around the world. We both don't agree with how the dairy industry operates in the U.S.. As to how that industry is around the world I don't know, but I suspect as you believe that raw milk is much better for you than the U.S. version. I know some European countries don't process milk as Americans do or have different choices.

Isn't it amazing how food is sold as "better" for you in the richest country in the world when it's really not? Why is that? MONEY! evil.gif $$$$$ Same with pharmaceuticals, same with pretty much everything. What pays is being an informed consumer.

As far as viewpoints on food intolerances, we would differ. I believe the best "test" for a food reaction is just simply eating it and seeing what happens. A person's reaction to the food in question could vary by how the food is prepared, what age they are, to where they live etc.. I just believe individuals vary and people have to do what works for them. Personally, there are just some foods I run from and that won't ever change.

In the same vein I can't tolerate certain herbs for example or vitamins. Some people can. We're all different, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss things, respect each other's viewpoints, and most importantly learn from each other! COEXIST! hifive.gif yinyang.gif

Thanx again Kodi, please continue to post!


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Posted 02 March 2008 - 08:48 PM

QUOTE (Kodi @ Feb 29 2008, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (merf @ Feb 29 2008, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not quite ready, though. First I'm going to take a colon cleanse supplement for a while and drink a boatload of detox tea for a month.

I'd like to do the cleanse, though, because I believe strongly that it is important for overall good health.

Did you ever have terrible will power when it came to food? I am awful, I have a terrible time with moderation and restriction. I love chocolate, pasta, bread, butter, milk, etc. Was it hard for you to make your dietary changes?

QUOTE (Kodi @ Feb 29 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Regardless, there are very few places on Earth where good quality milk is readily and conveniently available. sad.gif It is so unfortunate; properly handled farm fresh milk from humanely treated grass-fed cows/goats/seeps/whatever (doesn't necessarily have to be raw; you can boil it once you get it home!) is a practically an elixir of life.


I don't have the first idea where to get good quality milk or butter.


It's good that you can recognize you are not ready yet! Even if you can’t start yet, you are doing well by cleansing your colon and drinking detoxifying teas; it will make your journey much easier! At least I think so; I started cleansing at a young age, so I didn’t have a horrible “die-off” reaction. I’ve read anecdotes from people more than twice the number of years on me talk about their experiences with detoxification, and they definitely had a much harder time. The older you are, the more opportunities you have had to poison yourself.

I can see how the first stage of Shelley's cleansing protocol can be hard to dive into. Her protocol doesn’t require you fully fast, except for the initial 3-5 days, during which you can still drink various liquids. As well, you don’t really have to follow her schedule exactly; alter it to best fit you. Of course, practice common sense! amused.gif

My willpower is not terribly good either. What I found helpful was to keep myself busy, but not with strenuous activities. I simply could not stick to a strict schedule if I had a major assignment or performance due soon, or if I was bored, during which I would always crave something. As well, I had a hard time cleansing when I was not feeling great (ie: had a minor headache from whatever obstacle life threw at my head). Rather, if I was hooked onto a non-competitive video game or had something minor on my mind, like a book, I never really thought about “cheating.” I can’t recommend any specific time, but I know for sure that you will have trouble cleansing under stress, as well as if you are so relaxed to the point of boredom.

Ugh, that wasn’t terribly helpful, huh? You’ll find your own way by trying, really. amused.gif Don’t worry about failure; I (and I’m sure every single person who has ever attempted to do any cleansing protocol) have failed many times. After a couple of times, it will become a routine, like brushing teeth.

Concerning good quality dairy: you'll have to ask around, phone people, do some networking to find a good farm near you, where the owner is willing to sell. I almost always buy farm fresh dairy, but it's more important with milk and cream. For butter, the organic cultured (sometimes called European style?) variety will do well.


Thanks for the encouragement, I really appreciate it. I'm going to start with the colon cleansing supplement and the detox teas, and I hope I can work my way up to Shelley's cleanse. It's going to take a bit of planning. smile.gif