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NOTE: We have since learned that DIMM only halts acne for about 6 weeks.

There is a potent anti-androgen called DIM which clears acne in 1-2 weeks. Both males and females have been stunned by the fast results. Not only does it have anti-androgenic effects, but it also reduces free radical hormones and promotes estrogen metabolism for both genders.

About DIM: It is about $10 and you can purchase it on froogle.com. DIM (Diindolylmethane) is from isolated cruciferous veggies: broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, brussels sprouts, kale, bok choi and has no known side effects. It has been proven to fight off many cancers. DIM has anti-androgenic effects, so it stops your body from producing acne. DIM is also a bodybuilding supplement. Both males and females can take it, although you should not take DIM if you are pregnant. Taking several pills of DIM is equal to eating several pounds of vegetables. DIM has been tested since 1975 and has no known side effects. DIM should be taken during a meal because it can cause stomach discomfort (like Zinc).

DIM brings acne to a halt immediately.

Where to purchase DIM: Go to www.froogle.com and search for: "DIM Diindolylmethane". DIM is not usually sold at health food stores or in vitamin shops (call and ask).

Suggested Dose: 100mg per day

What to expect: Some people on this forum have tried doubling their dosage, however, it seems that results take just as long as someone taking the recommended dose. Also, please give the product a full 2 weeks to see results.

Here is a poll which says how many people have taken DIM and seen results:

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Your-DIM-...ou-t191165.html

Just wanted to tell all of you!

Note: You should not use this product if you are on oral birth control. You should not use this product if you can become or are pregnant or lactating. Anti-androgens change the formation of the reproduction organs of the baby.

**Note: I edited this post so that people wouldnt rush out and buy Genistein without thoroughly reading about its link to Leukemia. So, I'm only posting about DIM instead.


"It takes 20 minutes to turn a live steer into a hamburger. One-third of cattle are blinking, looking around and mooing as their tails are cut off, their hooves removed, their hides pulled off and their bellies ripped open. It is happening all over North America. Veterinarians feel its out of control but the government says there is nothing they can do about it." --The Washington Post's "They Die Piece By Piece" (April 11, 2001)

There are 13 major slaughterhouses in the US. All 13 are "self-policed" for animal abuse. Each worker cuts the throat of about 309 cattle per hour. --Humane Society of America

It is legal in North America for male chicks to be thrown into grinders while alive for dog food companies.

"Poor animals! How jealously they guard their pathetic bodies... that which to us is merely an evening's meal, but to them is life itself." — T. Casey Brennan


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:clap::clap:

BRAVO!

I am considering one of those if my vit D trial doesn't work out. But I am a research freak, so I'll have to research it thoroughly for a couple weeks...especially since I want to get pregnant soon. ;)

I am just so happy for you. Remember to smile ALOT and to NOT run away from cameras!

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Yes, this is not a product for anyone who could become pregnant. They know for sure that these two products affect the fetus.

I am smiling a LOT. My skin looks like it did when I was 10 years old -- smooth, white and clear. Now I can proudly wear my mascara and lip gloss ;).


"It takes 20 minutes to turn a live steer into a hamburger. One-third of cattle are blinking, looking around and mooing as their tails are cut off, their hooves removed, their hides pulled off and their bellies ripped open. It is happening all over North America. Veterinarians feel its out of control but the government says there is nothing they can do about it." --The Washington Post's "They Die Piece By Piece" (April 11, 2001)

There are 13 major slaughterhouses in the US. All 13 are "self-policed" for animal abuse. Each worker cuts the throat of about 309 cattle per hour. --Humane Society of America

It is legal in North America for male chicks to be thrown into grinders while alive for dog food companies.

"Poor animals! How jealously they guard their pathetic bodies... that which to us is merely an evening's meal, but to them is life itself." — T. Casey Brennan


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I'm still confused whether this would only work for females, or for males too.

How is your oil production Dotty? Has it decreased? If you have tried B-5, how is this compared to B-5 in terms of reducing oil?

I found DIM on here:

http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/natures_way-dim-plus.htm

If you notice, the directions are for both MEN AND WOMEN. Hmm...

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Just came across this when I googled "diindolylmethane, acne"

It is important to note that through immune modulation, multiple organ systems throughout the body are supported. Breast, prostate, colon and skin are among the organ systems that directly benefit from DIM's immune modulating properties. Given DIM's immune modulating properties on the skin, it is currently under investigation as a supplement that may help prevent acne and pimples that result from skin infections.

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NOTE:

DIM IS NOT AN ANTI-ANDROGEN.

it works by clearing the body of EXCESS estrogen.

http://www.vrp.com/deardoctorresults.aspx?...734&zTYPE=3

important distinction here, folks!

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Topicals:

Aspirin mask

Paula's Choice 8% AHA Gel (glycolic acid)

Diet:

Paleo-inspired diet with a good bit of slacking. Very little dairy. NO GRAINS except for rice and corn. Absolutely no gluten! Lots of green vegetable juice.

Supplements:

Bioidentical progesterone - 75 mg oral micronized, once daily (prescription).

Been slacking on my other supps lately but I should be taking probiotics, Vitamin D, magnesium (transdermal), and iodine.

Status:

Mostly clear with a great, lasting improvement in my overall health and wellbeing. My skin still gets a bit congested when I'm not careful with my diet, but I don't have active acne anymore. I'm now addressing red marks, some minor scarring, and overall skin texture.


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The product I am on... Genistein... in relation to B5... it is like taking 9 of the 10 grams of B5.

My acne was really bad... every one of my pores was clogged with sebum beforehand. EVERY pore... all the way to the earlobes and scalp.

I am still researching both Genistein and DIM...


"It takes 20 minutes to turn a live steer into a hamburger. One-third of cattle are blinking, looking around and mooing as their tails are cut off, their hooves removed, their hides pulled off and their bellies ripped open. It is happening all over North America. Veterinarians feel its out of control but the government says there is nothing they can do about it." --The Washington Post's "They Die Piece By Piece" (April 11, 2001)

There are 13 major slaughterhouses in the US. All 13 are "self-policed" for animal abuse. Each worker cuts the throat of about 309 cattle per hour. --Humane Society of America

It is legal in North America for male chicks to be thrown into grinders while alive for dog food companies.

"Poor animals! How jealously they guard their pathetic bodies... that which to us is merely an evening's meal, but to them is life itself." — T. Casey Brennan


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I'm still confused whether this would only work for females, or for males too.

I found DIM on here:

http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/natures_way-dim-plus.htm

If you notice, the directions are for both MEN AND WOMEN. Hmm...

I asked about symptoms in males, someone else did too, but there were no responses. They don't want us in their club :boohoo: haha. I think I might have estrogen-dominance, but I haven't been able to find any symptoms in males anywhere.

Hahaha!!

Fine, then I don't wanna be in their club!! I'm going to fight my acne with my gigantic penis!!

PS: What makes you think you have estrogen dominance?

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If I had to pick either Genistein or DIM, I'd pick DIM because Genistein has the potential to cause leukemia because it inhibits specific enzymes that, in other studies, have been shown to induce leukemia when inhibited, whereas DIM is being studied as a treatment for several cancers. Also, according to the two experiences in this thread, it seems that DIM works faster for clearing acne than Genistein anyway. But then there are only two people, so it's hard to say what the overall trend would be. I had tried using progesterone cream for a while, and it did help clear my skin, and progesterone does a similar thing - prevents estrogen dominance, and binds up excess hormones. So you may be onto something. I'm a bit concerned about the pregnancy thing, but I can't find a reference to DIM causing problems in pregnancy, can anyone find a link that discusses that subject?


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http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm

This site seems unbiased and very resourceful. They are selling a book for $2.99 - but that's all I see. There are several published studies listed there as well as the effects of DIM on men and women.


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Yes, I read that site and liked it. The very last sentence on the webpages seemed to sum up DIM: It has been tested for a long time and is safe.

I stopped taking genistein... and need to order some DIM.

I'll start searching froogle.


"It takes 20 minutes to turn a live steer into a hamburger. One-third of cattle are blinking, looking around and mooing as their tails are cut off, their hooves removed, their hides pulled off and their bellies ripped open. It is happening all over North America. Veterinarians feel its out of control but the government says there is nothing they can do about it." --The Washington Post's "They Die Piece By Piece" (April 11, 2001)

There are 13 major slaughterhouses in the US. All 13 are "self-policed" for animal abuse. Each worker cuts the throat of about 309 cattle per hour. --Humane Society of America

It is legal in North America for male chicks to be thrown into grinders while alive for dog food companies.

"Poor animals! How jealously they guard their pathetic bodies... that which to us is merely an evening's meal, but to them is life itself." — T. Casey Brennan


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I am looking for other natural anti-androgens.

So far, the other natural products which are anti-androgen and block DHT are:

Herb: Nettles (known for blocking DHT)

Herb: Saw Palmetto

Pumpkin Seed Oil

Green Tea

Emu Oil

Soy Isoflavins (Genistein)

Beta Sitosterols

Zinc

Acne is not the only problem caused by over-androgen activity and DHT... other problems are: PCOS (in women), hirutism (in women), hairloss (in men) and of course acne.

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"It takes 20 minutes to turn a live steer into a hamburger. One-third of cattle are blinking, looking around and mooing as their tails are cut off, their hooves removed, their hides pulled off and their bellies ripped open. It is happening all over North America. Veterinarians feel its out of control but the government says there is nothing they can do about it." --The Washington Post's "They Die Piece By Piece" (April 11, 2001)

There are 13 major slaughterhouses in the US. All 13 are "self-policed" for animal abuse. Each worker cuts the throat of about 309 cattle per hour. --Humane Society of America

It is legal in North America for male chicks to be thrown into grinders while alive for dog food companies.

"Poor animals! How jealously they guard their pathetic bodies... that which to us is merely an evening's meal, but to them is life itself." — T. Casey Brennan


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Hey I just read that Progesterone (not progestin) is an anti-androgen used to treat hairloss, PCOS... and other problems related to DHT.

And someone on here alread said that their progesterone was clearing their acne!


"It takes 20 minutes to turn a live steer into a hamburger. One-third of cattle are blinking, looking around and mooing as their tails are cut off, their hooves removed, their hides pulled off and their bellies ripped open. It is happening all over North America. Veterinarians feel its out of control but the government says there is nothing they can do about it." --The Washington Post's "They Die Piece By Piece" (April 11, 2001)

There are 13 major slaughterhouses in the US. All 13 are "self-policed" for animal abuse. Each worker cuts the throat of about 309 cattle per hour. --Humane Society of America

It is legal in North America for male chicks to be thrown into grinders while alive for dog food companies.

"Poor animals! How jealously they guard their pathetic bodies... that which to us is merely an evening's meal, but to them is life itself." — T. Casey Brennan


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I am looking for other natural anti-androgens.

So far, the other natural products which are anti-androgen and block DHT are:

Herb: Nettles (known for blocking DHT)

Herb: Saw Palmetto

Pumpkin Seed Oil

Green Tea

Emu Oil

Soy Isoflavins (Genistein)

Beta Sitosterols

Zinc

Took Saw Palmetto Extract for a few months, with NO results. No positive nor negative. No change at all.

Drank LOTS of green tea for about a month, and it only made my skin more oilier. No positive effect.

Zinc- have been taking zinc for the pat year or so, seems to provoke faster healing of skin (helps with razor burn, etc). Nothing AMAZING that I've noticed though.

The most amazing effect I saw was from taking B-5, which cleared me, however did not help reduce my oil production as much as I hoped it would. I am not sure if B-5 affects hormones, but just thought I'd mention it since that is what cured me and many other people on here.

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Just had to say that I've been off Genistein for 9 days now because I have been waiting for my DIM to arrive... but my skin has not returned to its normal acne state.

It usually takes 4 days of being off medication for my skin to break out EVERYWHERE.

I have 2 pimples and 10% of the oil has returned... but I am CLEAR. My forehead is perfect.

I wonder if I'm Genistein cured my acne... or it has a LONG after-effect.

I wonder if DIM is the same way?


"It takes 20 minutes to turn a live steer into a hamburger. One-third of cattle are blinking, looking around and mooing as their tails are cut off, their hooves removed, their hides pulled off and their bellies ripped open. It is happening all over North America. Veterinarians feel its out of control but the government says there is nothing they can do about it." --The Washington Post's "They Die Piece By Piece" (April 11, 2001)

There are 13 major slaughterhouses in the US. All 13 are "self-policed" for animal abuse. Each worker cuts the throat of about 309 cattle per hour. --Humane Society of America

It is legal in North America for male chicks to be thrown into grinders while alive for dog food companies.

"Poor animals! How jealously they guard their pathetic bodies... that which to us is merely an evening's meal, but to them is life itself." — T. Casey Brennan


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blah, I want to try the DIM

right now Im almost 19 and havent fully grown a beard, I have some facial hair on my chin but not much.... which is why I think I have a hormone imbalance........ problem is that no other male on here is taking it so Im kind of suspect to be the 1st :think:

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blah, I want to try the DIM

right now Im almost 19 and havent fully grown a beard, I have some facial hair on my chin but not much.... which is why I think I have a hormone imbalance........ problem is that no other male on here is taking it so Im kind of suspect to be the 1st :think:

haha hey bud, I'm in the same boat as you. I just started taking my mom's Genistein yesterday. I'm not sure how long it should take to see results but I'm going to be 19 in a few months and my facial hair is really scarce ha. My girlfriend always makes fun of me because I resort to dying it sometimes so that I actually look like age.

I'll update you on the progress...If this doesn't work I may go buy some DIM instead, I just thought I'd take the genistein cause it was readily available to me.

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Yes, its probably best to order DIM the moment you see if Genistein clears your acne.

When it cleared my acne, I was taking 4grams a day... the pills were 100% Genistein (not watered-down).

Researchers suspect that Genistein might be linked to Leukemia. If you want to try the Genistein for a week and see if you see results, then go ahead, but I'd be cautious about taking it for 2 months.

Genistein started seeing Genistein's results after 8 days... and I was clear in under two weeks.

Order some DIM online at www.froogle.com. It is isolated veggies and so far, it appears "stable and safe."


"It takes 20 minutes to turn a live steer into a hamburger. One-third of cattle are blinking, looking around and mooing as their tails are cut off, their hooves removed, their hides pulled off and their bellies ripped open. It is happening all over North America. Veterinarians feel its out of control but the government says there is nothing they can do about it." --The Washington Post's "They Die Piece By Piece" (April 11, 2001)

There are 13 major slaughterhouses in the US. All 13 are "self-policed" for animal abuse. Each worker cuts the throat of about 309 cattle per hour. --Humane Society of America

It is legal in North America for male chicks to be thrown into grinders while alive for dog food companies.

"Poor animals! How jealously they guard their pathetic bodies... that which to us is merely an evening's meal, but to them is life itself." — T. Casey Brennan


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good luck to u guys that are taking it, hope your pee-pees don't fall off and you don't start growing boobies

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Yay, we have our male guinea pigs ;).


"It takes 20 minutes to turn a live steer into a hamburger. One-third of cattle are blinking, looking around and mooing as their tails are cut off, their hooves removed, their hides pulled off and their bellies ripped open. It is happening all over North America. Veterinarians feel its out of control but the government says there is nothing they can do about it." --The Washington Post's "They Die Piece By Piece" (April 11, 2001)

There are 13 major slaughterhouses in the US. All 13 are "self-policed" for animal abuse. Each worker cuts the throat of about 309 cattle per hour. --Humane Society of America

It is legal in North America for male chicks to be thrown into grinders while alive for dog food companies.

"Poor animals! How jealously they guard their pathetic bodies... that which to us is merely an evening's meal, but to them is life itself." — T. Casey Brennan


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blah, I want to try the DIM

right now Im almost 19 and havent fully grown a beard, I have some facial hair on my chin but not much.... which is why I think I have a hormone imbalance........ problem is that no other male on here is taking it so Im kind of suspect to be the 1st :think:

Well, there are lots of clear skinned men who can't grow a beard. Maybe you just didn't get the hairy genes. Not all hair is related to hormones. There are many ethnicities in which the women have a high tendency to have mustaches and hairy arms and it isn't their hormones. This is why hairyness is often ignored as a possible symptom of hormone imbalance.


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

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Greetings,

I am actually taking a precursor to DIM, referred to as I3C (Indole-3-Carbinol) from NOW foods...its part of my acne arsenal. Just to let you guys know, I am technically "over" my acne...In other words, its almost under my complete control, seldomly do I get any outbreaks, and if I do they are exceptionally mild and short-lived. I will be updating my regimen soon since I've been away for such a long time. Best of luck to you all.


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Dotty, I decided to take your advice on the DIM to replace the genistein. Plus I think my mom was getting pissed I was using hers :doh: . So to the other guys that are interested, as of today I'm testing DIM and not genistein.

Too many bad things associated with soy anyway, veggies seem like a safer more effective route.

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For those that are interested in purchasing DIM, type "DIM 100mg" into http://www.froogle.com... and search for the bottle of DIM you want.


"It takes 20 minutes to turn a live steer into a hamburger. One-third of cattle are blinking, looking around and mooing as their tails are cut off, their hooves removed, their hides pulled off and their bellies ripped open. It is happening all over North America. Veterinarians feel its out of control but the government says there is nothing they can do about it." --The Washington Post's "They Die Piece By Piece" (April 11, 2001)

There are 13 major slaughterhouses in the US. All 13 are "self-policed" for animal abuse. Each worker cuts the throat of about 309 cattle per hour. --Humane Society of America

It is legal in North America for male chicks to be thrown into grinders while alive for dog food companies.

"Poor animals! How jealously they guard their pathetic bodies... that which to us is merely an evening's meal, but to them is life itself." — T. Casey Brennan


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