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My acne is on my jaw and cheeks though...
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/style_ima...s/icon_open.gif

I also was wondering how they would contend with the pores in this lower face area, because they are seemingly microscopic and the region of my face that is most susceptible to acne is my upper chin and seems like it would be a multi day opperation to stick a needle into each one of the pores. Although, in the doctors answer to the victims question he says that the procedure is suitable for:

"Rather than teenage acne when all follicles are actively involved, the insulating needle treatment is more suitable for adult onset acne after the age of 20, chronic recurrent acne, acne along your jaw line which leaves scars, and intractable inflamed acne."

But unfortunately they have not replied to my email and the phone number is apparently inaccessible. I also asked my derm today (well getting a cortisone injection) if he had heard of such a procedure and he had not, so my expectations are beginning to fade. It just seems weird that such a well maintained website that supposedly represents a chain of numerous clinics is so hard to contact, I mean, this isn't a joke is it?


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Well I mean where are the anectodes and studies to back it up? Its like it doesnt exist anywhere but that site. I will ask my derm when I see her in a few days what she thinks about it.

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Well I mean where are the anectodes and studies to back it up? Its like it doesnt exist anywhere but that site. I will ask my derm when I see her in a few days what she thinks about it.

I agree, it is very suspect and I as I said in my previous post I asked my derm yesterday if he had heard of it and he wasn't sure, but mentioned something about a needle with an electronic current that that they pass through it, but he didn't recognize it as an acne procedure, but I now think he may have been talking about the same thing.

On the website they refer to the procedure as Kobayashi's method, so I goggled Kobayashi and once I got passed the worlds fastest eater I found multiple medical abstracts that were published March 2007 concerning a technique know as selective electrothermolysis of the sebaceous glands the research of which was headed by Kobayashi. Most of the trials conducted so far have been for facial sebhorea, which is apparently a disease attributed to over active sebaceous glands. So in short I know longer doubt the existence of the procedure, but I am becoming weary of it's promise as a cure to end all cures for facial acne.

I feel that I have exhausted goggles resources on this one and have been in obsess mode to a degree that I can only liken to when I was in high school and heard about the smooth beam laser coming out, which was also supposed to do irreparable damage to my sebaceous glands but, turned out to be a total flop and extremely painful. So in shorter short, I fucking hate my sebaceous glands :dance:

Links:

http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/2004...604A0505817.php

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bsc/...000002/art00006


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Thanks for finding those links...that restores my faith. Accutane (which I am on now) , basically achieves the same effect (albeit side effects for some). Since it is by far the most effective medication, it is quite promising that this procedure has the same mechanism (assuming it can achieve what it states). I have never heard of sebhorea, but by looking at google images, not surprisingly, some of the condition bears resemblance to acne. I am definately going to ask my derm ! But without the availability, all the promise in the world will mean nothing for us.

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I'm sure your derm will know of this procedure. Sounds interesting since I have large pores and oily skin.

Yes, sebum production and aging aren't really related. Paula Begoun actually talks about this on her site...www.cosmeticscop.com


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wow, this looks promising. I have such oily skin and I would love to get this done. This is something I'll ask my derm. next visit.


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Just got bck from my accutane follow up and the derm I see for that also hasn't heard of the procedure, but was convinced that it would work at the price of dry skin, which I would easily take over acne. Only problem is this weird South Korean Practice won't return my emails and I even tried to call them, but they hung up, because the lady couldn't understand what I was saying. I just kept exclaiming "English?" and then click, it was a turbulent and incoherent conversation. Hopefully somebody from Korea, or that speaks Korean will see this thread so we can get to the bottom of this, it's really very frustrating.


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dude..this is so ****in cool...damn..i wanna catch the next flight to korea!!!!!!!!


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Ridiculous. Everything in your body is there for a reason. How can you just kill it, there'll be adverse effects.

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Ridiculous. Everything in your body is there for a reason. How can you just kill it, there'll be adverse effects.

Yeah there propably would be, but I guarantee they wouldn't hold a candle to the "adverse effects" of accutane. And like mikez said there are all sorts of vestigial organs in many types of species and my older brother is somewhat ironically in the process of having his Appendix removed from appendicitis.

Anyway before we get ahead of ourselves we have to verify that the treatment actually exists and whether or not its as effective as they claim, maybe some of you guys could also try to e-mail them. So until then I will keep praying that this will even be an option before I have to start considering my third course of accutane.


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I wonder if sticking electric current pads on your face (the ones used for anti-ageing face lifting) would have the same effects??? Maybe a stupid question, but has anyone actually tried treating with electricity an area with acne??

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what about the apendix? not every thing in the body is there for a reason.

that's different as i'm sure you know. no one really knows if the apendix is of any use. just because it's often removed with no bad effects doesn't necessarily mean its of no use. all we know is it is or was at least, there for a reason. look it up.

sebaceous glands are however there for a good reason. to produce sebum..."Sebum acts to protect and waterproof hair and skin, and keep them from becoming dry, brittle and cracked. It can also inhibit the growth of microorganisms on skin."

doesn't it make sense that if you take that away there's gonna be further skin and hair problems?...just my 2 pennies worth.

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sebaceous glands aren't really that important. you'll have some dry skin without them though, but they definitely cause more problems.


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I find this interesting. The main complaint while on Accutane for most

is skin that is too dry causing flakes, irritation, redness and so on. If

you remove all of your sebaceous glands you'll get the same thing,

only worse. Accutane's main role is reducing the size of the gland

and thus making it produce less oil. A secondary effect in that is

it reduces the food supply for bacteria & may be anti-bacterial.

Finally, it changes the keratinization behavior of the skin, so it

doesn't tend to clog as easily. But it's the first, the reduction

in oil output, causing folks the most 'troubles'. Think of that.

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I understand how someone with severe, nodular cystic acne could want this - saving physical & emotional scars, and the frustration that comes from trying to take care of your skin and have it sabotage you.

But there is no way in hell I would do it.

I now firmly 100% believe that acne is an autoimmune response to something that is WRONG with the human body. It's a warning signal, and unlike an appendectomy (which I have had by the way when I was 9 years old) which saves your life, acne won't kill you. It may drive you crazy, but is won't kill you.

It is an ugly but relatively benign disease, and it is your body telling you something is wrong! I mean, think about it - if you were in perfect health, do you think you would be breaking out?

In a way, I am thankful to have had acne, (well, not THAT thankful) but it did force me to make healthier lifestyle changes. Acne was one of the reasons I stopped smoking, stopped drinking, greatly cut down on caffeine as my main source of energy, and start really looking at the food I was putting in my body. Acne made me aware of the ingredients in cosmetics, and start eating organic food.

So go ahead people, remove your sebaceous glands, and you have my blessing. If you have tried everything else (including a raw diet) to no end, then I hope this works out for you. But be careful when you start removing things from your body that might be there for a reason....


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Sebum does have its uses. But its not necessary. Sebum contains cholestrol, proteins, some salts, and some other stuff to make your skin smoother and waterproof your skin from outside chemicals.

It also does have anti-bacterial/anti-fungal qualities. But all of this could be rectified through natural products and washing your face.

I don't see why destroying the sebaceous glands is not possible. They do the same with destroying sweat glands. But instead of sebum glands, they apparently inject needles into the sudoriferous glands (the sweat producing glands) so that you won't sweat.

The sudoriferous glands and sebum glands are both located in the dermis. I always wondered why they didn't do this before.

IMO sweat glands are more useful than sebum glands.

And the appendix is one example of a vestigial organ with no apparent use. Its a mark of our evolution that scientists believed was used to digest plant material, but now has no beneficial use now. The human body isn't perfect-in fact, it has a lot of imperfections but its able to adapt and thrive in the environment, which is what is most important.

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actually now they think the appendix is there to ensure that the "good" bacteria are always present in the gut. It serves as a sort of safe house for the good guys incase you get an illness that wipes out all the good bacteria in your system. The the appendix just "reboots" your good bacteria population.

Anyway, if you removed your sebaceous glands your skin would be painfully dry, cracked, flaky, and more prone to infection in the cracks in your skin. It would be horrible, and it would be permanent. I would never do that.


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actually now they think the appendix is there to ensure that the "good" bacteria are always present in the gut. It serves as a sort of safe house for the good guys incase you get an illness that wipes out all the good bacteria in your system. The the appendix just "reboots" your good bacteria population.

Anyway, if you removed your sebaceous glands your skin would be painfully dry, cracked, flaky, and more prone to infection in the cracks in your skin. It would be horrible, and it would be permanent. I would never do that.

Hmmm, yes maybe.

But I don't think sebum is terribly complicated to make. You could make a laboratory imitation form maybe......

And before people state natural vs man-made. They would be the exact same chemicals down to the molecular molecule-meaning the exact same thing.

Or have some imitation moisturizer that does its best to mimic sebum.

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Anyway, if you removed your sebaceous glands your skin would be painfully dry, cracked, flaky, and more prone to infection in the cracks in your skin. It would be horrible, and it would be permanent. I would never do that.

Why do you say this? For all I think any of us know the procedure could be virtually side effect free. The problem is that we don't know and while this speculation might be fun we won't be able to judge anything until we get in touch with the suspect spa goowaysang or whatever. What if this really is the breakthrough that so many of us have been waiting for? At this point I've kind of given up on it, because they won't get back to me, but still, it's a nice fantasy to entertain.


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I understand how someone with severe, nodular cystic acne could want this - saving physical & emotional scars, and the frustration that comes from trying to take care of your skin and have it sabotage you.

But there is no way in hell I would do it.

I now firmly 100% believe that acne is an autoimmune response to something that is WRONG with the human body. It's a warning signal, and unlike an appendectomy (which I have had by the way when I was 9 years old) which saves your life, acne won't kill you. It may drive you crazy, but is won't kill you.

It is an ugly but relatively benign disease, and it is your body telling you something is wrong! I mean, think about it - if you were in perfect health, do you think you would be breaking out?

In a way, I am thankful to have had acne, (well, not THAT thankful) but it did force me to make healthier lifestyle changes. Acne was one of the reasons I stopped smoking, stopped drinking, greatly cut down on caffeine as my main source of energy, and start really looking at the food I was putting in my body. Acne made me aware of the ingredients in cosmetics, and start eating organic food.

So go ahead people, remove your sebaceous glands, and you have my blessing. If you have tried everything else (including a raw diet) to no end, then I hope this works out for you. But be careful when you start removing things from your body that might be there for a reason....

That is bullshit. Complete. Fucking. Bullshit. I have seen hundreds of people who smoke, drink, have very shitty fast food obsessive diets, never exercise, and long behold, CLEAR SKIN. I, on the other hand, bodybuild, which in term forces me to have a correct and clean diet. I'm too young to drink, and I find smoking a very disgusting act. Rarely do I eat fast food either, except when i'm on an emergency bulk, which rarely happens.

And you know what, my skin gets too damn oily way to damn fast. I'm getting this treatment some day if it recieves good testimonials, and i'm ending this bullshit once and for all.


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I agree. Some people may have allergic reactions or food intolerances which causes them to break out but on the whole acne is not caused by an unhealthy lifestyle. If it was that simple acne would not exist!

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My only reservation is that perhaps the Sebaceous Gland does still serve a functional, even required purpose, and by removing them we would be creating another problem. Something more complex, and somewhat irreversible. :think:

I have the same reservation. It seems to me that since scientists can't even figure out how to cure acne........I'd be hesitant to put my trust in them to surgically remove my sebaceous glands.

Antibiotics are prescribed all day long for mild acne. I just read about a super-resistant strain of staph bacteria that may be killing more people than AIDS. Overuse of antibiotics may be contributing to the staph death toll. When I hear "sebaceous glands serve no purpose" I wonder how certain they can be of a statement like that.

But I have to admit, the idea does intrigue me :)

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My only reservation is that perhaps the Sebaceous Gland does still serve a functional, even required purpose, and by removing them we would be creating another problem. Something more complex, and somewhat irreversible. :think:

I have the same reservation. It seems to me that since scientists can't even figure out how to cure acne........I'd be hesitant to put my trust in them to surgically remove my sebaceous glands.

Antibiotics are prescribed all day long for mild acne. I just read about a super-resistant strain of staph bacteria that may be killing more people than AIDS. Overuse of antibiotics may be contributing to the staph death toll. When I hear "sebaceous glands serve no purpose" I wonder how certain they can be of a statement like that.

But I have to admit, the idea does intrigue me :)

I doubt that MRSA kills more than AIDs. Unless they only count deaths in Western countries.

The AIDS death toll in Africa and Asia is huge. Millions every year. But I haven't really looked it up, but I would be really surprised if that were true. If that occurred in any Western country, it would be an epidemic.

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