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#1 NdnRomeo

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 04:38 PM

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Gobayasi sebaceous gland removal
This is a fundamental interception by destroying sebaceous glands on the T-zone where most oil is produced. By suppressing oil production semi-permanently, it is removing the cause of enlarged pores. Specially designed Gobayasi fine insulating needle is inserted into every single pore to remove sebaceous glands. It is highly effective at treating recurrent inflamed acne, de-shining the nose (which results in uneven makeup) and reducing pores. This procedure is especially good for patients with a lot of blackheads in their noses (sebum collects and hardens in the pores without being expelled through the skin and the exposed tip becomes oxidized and black.) A series of treatments (about 4) spaced out about 2~4 weeks apart is recommended. Treating the nose usually takes no more than 40 minutes. If patient is older, healing period will be longer, so an interval of 3~4 weeks is more appropriate.


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It won't tell me how much it costs though, but damn I would do it in a heartbeat!

Does anyone know where they do it and how much it would cost??

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 08:22 PM

I'm sure your derm will know of this procedure. Sounds interesting since I have large pores and oily skin.

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 05:39 PM

your skin would age fast.

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 11:49 PM

QUOTE(pcpwns @ Sep 10 2007, 06:39 PM) View Post
your skin would age fast.


Not at all, many clear skin asians have almost no surface oil but look young. It's all based on collagen I believe. Otherwise the rest of out bodies would look really old by now, especially the non oily parts =)

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 11:51 PM

Sun damage has more to do with aging than pretty much anything else besides genetics.

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 11:52 PM

true, lack of oil doesn't cause wrinkles, lack of collagen does.

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 09:20 AM


I'm going to try moving this into Acne Research .... curious to see what people there have to say about it.

if no one comes up with any supporting/opposing studies, we can always move it back here.
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Posted 12 September 2007 - 03:11 PM

QUOTE(LionQueen @ Sep 12 2007, 10:20 AM) View Post
I'm going to try moving this into Acne Research .... curious to see what people there have to say about it.

if no one comes up with any supporting/opposing studies, we can always move it back here.


Thanks smile.gif

It would be interesting to know more about this

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 06:14 PM

Do you really think taking the nature-given sebaceous gland away isnt going to have a "Catch"?. I bet you there is one eventhough I do not know what.

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 12:54 AM

QUOTE(superMachi @ Sep 12 2007, 07:14 PM) View Post
Do you really think taking the nature-given sebaceous gland away isnt going to have a "Catch"?. I bet you there is one eventhough I do not know what.


I wonder what it is, because they seem so useless sad.gif Or possibly just getting rid of half, or a little more than half on t zone areas so you can still get the benefits of natural sebum without too much of it perhaps. eusa_think.gif

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 05:51 AM

QUOTE(NdnRomeo @ Sep 13 2007, 12:54 AM) View Post
QUOTE(superMachi @ Sep 12 2007, 07:14 PM) View Post
Do you really think taking the nature-given sebaceous gland away isnt going to have a "Catch"?. I bet you there is one eventhough I do not know what.


I wonder what it is, because they seem so useless sad.gif Or possibly just getting rid of half, or a little more than half on t zone areas so you can still get the benefits of natural sebum without too much of it perhaps. eusa_think.gif


Well if you took half away then you'd have only half of your original sebum production over the same original area. However if you were to analyze the individual sebaceous glands, the ones that still were active would be pumping out sebum at the original high rate. Now wouldn't this mean they were still just as prone to forming a spot as before except now there is only half the potential number of zits because the number of sebaceous glands has halved...

I dunno.... imo it might not help much.


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Posted 13 September 2007 - 05:09 PM

QUOTE(Listener @ Sep 13 2007, 06:51 AM) View Post
QUOTE(NdnRomeo @ Sep 13 2007, 12:54 AM) View Post
QUOTE(superMachi @ Sep 12 2007, 07:14 PM) View Post
Do you really think taking the nature-given sebaceous gland away isnt going to have a "Catch"?. I bet you there is one eventhough I do not know what.


I wonder what it is, because they seem so useless sad.gif Or possibly just getting rid of half, or a little more than half on t zone areas so you can still get the benefits of natural sebum without too much of it perhaps. eusa_think.gif


Well if you took half away then you'd have only half of your original sebum production over the same original area. However if you were to analyze the individual sebaceous glands, the ones that still were active would be pumping out sebum at the original high rate. Now wouldn't this mean they were still just as prone to forming a spot as before except now there is only half the potential number of zits because the number of sebaceous glands has halved...

I dunno.... imo it might not help much.


Yeah sad.gif You are correct. I would take them all out if I had a chance

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 05:23 PM

Sebum, some people say, has absolutely no functional purpose. I believe they take the view that Sebaceous Glands are simply things with which Man has nullified a reqirement for through years of evolving, yet the organ is still physically there. It definately has no impact on one's visible aging.

The consistency of the Sebum is what determines whether or not it clogs pores, so just having oily skin doesn't always equal acne. Though the hormonal factors which quite often trigger heightened Sebaceous activity also cause the Sebum to be thicker.

The thicker Sebum clogs the pore, and P.Acne's (good bacteria found in abundance on one's skin) feed off of that oil. Then your body tries to fight off the infection, thus we have inflamed, oily, puss filled lesions. (Not that anybody asked, but i thought it might help a few understand what happens)

My only reservation is that perhaps the Sebaceous Gland does still serve a functional, even required purpose, and by removing them we would be creating another problem. Something more complex, and somewhat irreversible. eusa_think.gif
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Posted 13 September 2007 - 08:22 PM

Duuude...
I wonder if there is any surgery for getting your face removed?
Now that would sure solve all my problems!
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Posted 14 September 2007 - 12:10 AM

how about skin transplants, take the skin off your bicep and put it on your face so you would have way less sebum glands.
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Posted 14 September 2007 - 12:16 AM

Part of the purpose of sebum is to provide the protective acid mantle to the skin. There are those of us who have such significant sebum production though, that loss of half our facial sebum production ability may not actually greatly harm our skin's natural acidity, but that's just a guess on my part.

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 12:17 AM

QUOTE(AutonomousOne1980 @ Sep 13 2007, 11:10 PM) View Post
how about skin transplants, take the skin off your bicep and put it on your face so you would have way less sebum glands.

actually they do this sort of procedure.. its called skin grafting.. mostly on burnt victims.. as for the sebaciuos glands i think they are located into the deeper layer of the skin..
but this sounds awesome.. if this would remove my acne permanently, i would do this in a heartbeat as well...

?..when..?


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Posted 17 September 2007 - 10:25 PM

QUOTE(pop politics @ Sep 13 2007, 06:23 PM) View Post
Sebum, some people say, has absolutely no functional purpose. I believe they take the view that Sebaceous Glands are simply things with which Man has nullified a reqirement for through years of evolving, yet the organ is still physically there. It definately has no impact on one's visible aging.

The consistency of the Sebum is what determines whether or not it clogs pores, so just having oily skin doesn't always equal acne. Though the hormonal factors which quite often trigger heightened Sebaceous activity also cause the Sebum to be thicker.

The thicker Sebum clogs the pore, and P.Acne's (good bacteria found in abundance on one's skin) feed off of that oil. Then your body tries to fight off the infection, thus we have inflamed, oily, puss filled lesions. (Not that anybody asked, but i thought it might help a few understand what happens)

My only reservation is that perhaps the Sebaceous Gland does still serve a functional, even required purpose, and by removing them we would be creating another problem. Something more complex, and somewhat irreversible. eusa_think.gif


Yes, you are correct, the quality of the sebum and also hyperkeratinization. So technically, we can have regular sebaceous activity but hyperkeratiziation which will lead to the comedone and eventually get infected all the same sad.gif.

I bet taking rending the sebaceous glands completely useless can be good, because then they will more than likely give us some sort of topical to apply to quench our skin like a moisturizer that replicates how our natural sebum would be, but at the quantities that will not clog pores as well. Just something like that I suppose.

But I get what you mean, there are probably complications we are not aware of that is not reversible. I hope there are more studies done on this, or something.


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Posted 17 September 2007 - 10:28 PM

QUOTE(Wynne @ Sep 14 2007, 01:16 AM) View Post
Part of the purpose of sebum is to provide the protective acid mantle to the skin. There are those of us who have such significant sebum production though, that loss of half our facial sebum production ability may not actually greatly harm our skin's natural acidity, but that's just a guess on my part.


I wish our acid mantle would actually work well enough to inhibit p acnes from infecting our clogged pores sad.gif

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 08:11 PM

Jesus! Where do I sign up.

Edit: I guess I'll be going to south Korea within the next few years if this seemingly simple and miraculous treatment doesn't make it here by then...I'm serious and thanks for bringing this to my attention NdnRomeo.

Here is a Q&A that I found on the site, this really sounds too good to be true, but South Korea has always been ahead of its time.


Question:
I‚„d like to find an acne treatment which will make sure I don‚„t get acne again
I have been suffering from acne for a long time. I‚„ve tried applying medication supposed to work wonders and have visited dermatologists, but to no avail. I have spent so much time and money in acne treatment. I‚„m getting to lose confidence as my skin is more and more covered with acne‚ Is there a magical treatment to get rid of acne?

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Acne is an infection of follicles; a kind of folliculitis. Unlike typical folliculitis, however, acne only occurs where there are sebaceous glands. Acne treatment, using Gobayasi insulating needle takes advantage of this characteristic and destroys sebaceous glands to ensure acne does not occur in that particular spot any more. Specially designed fine insulating needle destroys sebaceous glands; this works in the same theory as permanent hair removal which destroys hair roots so that hair does not grow again. Gobayasi insulating needle procedure completely cures adult onset acne with a mere 1~2 treatments. Rather than teenage acne when all follicles are actively involved, the insulating needle treatment is more suitable for adult onset acne after the age of 20, chronic recurrent acne, acne along your jaw line which leaves scars, and intractable inflamed acne.
On an average, two procedures are needed, with a one-month waiting period in between. It can be done in as little as 30 minutes and you can wash your face and apply makeup immediately after procedure. The destroyed sebaceous glands can be squeezed clean the day after procedure at the clinic. It typically takes a month for the acne to subside and 4 months for the redness to completely disappear.
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