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Posted 24 August 2007 - 10:39 PM

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Thought I might have need subcision but it turns out Dr. Sire thought I didn't really need it.

I thought I would but I'm going to give saline a try.


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If I see any improvement i'll pretty much have to post some afters.

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Posted 25 August 2007 - 11:17 AM

QUOTE(sm_oore @ Aug 24 2007, 11:39 PM) View Post
Hopefully you guys can help me out.

I have a consult with Dr. Sire in a week and I wanted to ask him about both saline and subcision. I don't know that much about saline injections but i've heard good results from a few people on this board. I also don't know if my scars would qualify for subcision or would even work well with saline either, plus i hear that scars can possibly get worse after subcision. I definitely want to get fraxel and i don't think they have it there so i don't know if they'll try to steer me away from it.

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Alright here's the question - What do you guys think would work best?

Subcision followed by fraxel, or if its possiblte to get saline followed by fraxel, or the other way around (fraxel then saline). Or even saline during fraxel treatments???


Thanks guys


Hi sm oore - I think your scars would do really well with subcison. I personally got better results with subcision than saline. Maybe I didn't do saline enough though, I did it about 4 times.
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Posted 29 August 2007 - 09:45 PM

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going in the next couple days. Any more help/advice/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Sheryllynn

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Posted 30 August 2007 - 03:03 PM

keep us updated on everything, im interested in how ur saline or subcission turns out,, thanks

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Posted 30 August 2007 - 08:53 PM

Yeah definitely.

I'll keep you guys updated.

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 10:25 AM

QUOTE(sm_oore @ Aug 30 2007, 09:53 PM) View Post
Yeah definitely.

I'll keep you guys updated.



any updates?

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 10:55 AM

yeah, i went in to ask mainly about subcision and it turns out Sire said i didn't need it.

i thought i did but he said that if the scar is still moving around okay with the skin and isn't relatively stagnant, ie. tethered down then you don't need it. I guess he's right because that's the whole purpose of subcision, some scars look like they were on me but some people kind of jump the gun on deciding if they really need it or not, including me. So if you go see a Dr. for it, don't assume that you need it.

But i'm scheduled to get saline Oct 12th so i'll definitely post how it goes, even if i don't respond to it well.


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Posted 13 September 2007 - 11:05 AM

QUOTE(sm_oore @ Sep 13 2007, 11:55 AM) View Post
yeah, i went in to ask mainly about subcision and it turns out Sire said i didn't need it.

i thought i did but he said that if the scar is still moving around okay with the skin and isn't relatively stagnant, ie. tethered down then you don't need it. I guess he's right because that's the whole purpose of subcision, some scars look like they were on me but some people kind of jump the gun on deciding if they really need it or not, including me. So if you go see a Dr. for it, don't assume that you need it.

But i'm scheduled to get saline Oct 12th so i'll definitely post how it goes, even if i don't respond to it well.


what do you mean still moving around? I only have 2 rolling scars and want to get rid of them, wondering if subcision and a filler is needed or just the filler.

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 11:15 AM

if you massage your skin and the scar isn't moving around with the rest of the skin too well, then it is probably tethered down by fibrosis bands of scar tissue.

I don't know, hopefully i explained it alright.

I'd still ask a Derm. or PS about it though.

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 11:26 AM

QUOTE(sm_oore @ Sep 13 2007, 12:15 PM) View Post
if you massage your skin and the scar isn't moving around with the rest of the skin too well, then it is probably tethered down by fibrosis bands of scar tissue.

I don't know, hopefully i explained it alright.

I'd still ask a Derm. or PS about it though.



Oh, that makes sense but, I have never seen a person with rolling scars that are tethered down they would have to be pretty deep into the skin.

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 03:48 PM

Hey goodluck with u'r prodecure....so u are getting saline is that? is that a filler? plz update afterwards b/c i have very similar scars and my mimic all u'r procedures u do lol.

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 03:56 PM

what saline does is it breaks scar tissue and stimulates collagen,

please keep us updated couse ur scars look like mine also and would like to know the progress

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 06:34 PM

I went to Dr Sire for a subcision and the scars he said were good for subsicion were the saucer type , about 2-3mm round, but the interesting thing is those scars would almost completely level out with filler?? And they worked great with the subcision, pretty much disappeared? They weren't all that deep, not like craters. I really can't fiqure out what works and what doesn't work for subcision. I mean I've heard of people getting it done for wrinkles?I'm actually going back to Dr Sire next month to see if he will try subcision on an area he didn't think it would work. But I had such good results with subsicion, I want to see if he'll try.
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total energy 5.02kj

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60mjs
treatment level 8
total energy 7.1kj

7/19/07
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Posted 15 September 2007 - 10:13 PM

yeah i actually saw some lady get subcision or something a lot like it on a couple dimples on the back of her thighs. lol.

How many rounds of saline did you get? Did you get them before subcision or after?

But yeah keep us updated sheryllynn....maybe i'll see you there.




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Posted 15 October 2007 - 05:29 PM

sm oore how did u saline injections go? what was the precedure like?

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 05:55 PM

yeah, it went ok. I know i probably won't see any immediate improvement, but its been a couple days and still can't really judge after 1 treatment. But it wasn't that painful, it just feels like a needle going in, so some pain and bleeding. My cheeks were pretty red after the tx and had some blood spots but thats about it. They said they think i'll need about 3 or 4 so i'll have to see how it goes. But the saline doesn't totally subside until a couple days, at least in my case. Can't really see any improvement so far but I'm getting them every 2 weeks, so i'll let you all know how it goes. oh yeah price is $175.

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 07:44 PM

QUOTE(sm_oore @ Oct 15 2007, 04:55 PM) View Post
yeah, it went ok. I know i probably won't see any immediate improvement, but its been a couple days and still can't really judge after 1 treatment. But it wasn't that painful, it just feels like a needle going in, so some pain and bleeding. My cheeks were pretty red after the tx and had some blood spots but thats about it. They said they think i'll need about 3 or 4 so i'll have to see how it goes. But the saline doesn't totally subside until a couple days, at least in my case. Can't really see any improvement so far but I'm getting them every 2 weeks, so i'll let you all know how it goes. oh yeah price is $175.

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 05:26 PM

how much rounds of saline are u going to get?

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 10:54 PM

uh, I don't know yet. I paid for three, but i heard that that's when people start to see improvement if any so I'll see how it goes. I heard that some people say they start to see the improvement after 4 and some don't see any at all, so I'll probably have to stick it out and go for 4-6 tx's. It's only $175 a tx so I'm figuring I might as well take advantage of the price and give it a shot considering all the other treatments. Just hope i get some improvement.

First round though, didn't see any improvement whatsoever.

I'll keep you guys updated though.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 02:34 PM

This is probably a really great treatment if you are close enough to Dr. Sires. It is great because it is cheap. Ultimately it will only offer the impermanent solution that anything else does.

What am I talking about?

All results from any scar treatment are always temporary.

It's depressing but true. Doctors are in agreement that years down the road ALL scars will completely come back again.

Even treatments that stimulate native (our own) collagen --laser, dermabrasion, needling, etc-- and seem to smooth out scars are only temporary. All of these scars, even if they seemingly disappeared, will completely reappear.

Our scars will come back as we age. They are a lifelong battle that can never be won. I know! Sad but true!