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#4901 Faergor

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:07 PM

Faergor, my browser wont let me quote you. It regenerated tissue after full thickness wounds, usually full thickness wounds results in the most scarring you can get..



Collegekidd, you may be right, as well as quoting you, my browser wont let me paste at the moment too. The source I'm looking at states clinical trials in 18 months etc.

Yeah, so what does that mean? My scar on my nose is hyperthropic, that is at least 2nd level of skin damage. Not epidermis, but below that.



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:23 PM

Faergor, think about that for a second, your damage is probably full thickness, or even less than full thickness... This regenerated full thickness tissue damage, which usually results in the worst scarring you can get. Logically because it works on full tissue damage, it should work on any case whereby you cut out the tissue and apply it?


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:54 PM

Any way if you are completely desperate and the scaffold Works in animals maybe you can buy some hydrogel for your dog, cat, etc, and then you only need a deep resurfing and the hydrogel or maybe in china will be available very soon.

Of course you have to do it by your own risk and without any guarantee.

I am joking.



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:23 PM

Faergor, think about that for a second, your damage is probably full thickness, or even less than full thickness... This regenerated full thickness tissue damage, which usually results in the worst scarring you can get. Logically because it works on full tissue damage, it should work on any case whereby you cut out the tissue and apply it?

Well, yeah, therefore it should work on nose as well.

I am asking this because nose is different from rest of the skin, and I am not sure whether it restores cartilage as well. Of course, my cartilage is all right, only skin is affected. But still. The thing is that nose has many curves. Would it regenerate my nose to the way it used to be?



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:25 AM

Faergor, think about that for a second, your damage is probably full thickness, or even less than full thickness... This regenerated full thickness tissue damage, which usually results in the worst scarring you can get. Logically because it works on full tissue damage, it should work on any case whereby you cut out the tissue and apply it?

Well, yeah, therefore it should work on nose as well.

I am asking this because nose is different from rest of the skin, and I am not sure whether it restores cartilage as well. Of course, my cartilage is all right, only skin is affected. But still. The thing is that nose has many curves. Would it regenerate my nose to the way it used to be?

Obviously none of us on here know for sure, but I'm guessing since the hydrogel completely regenerates skin, tissue, appendages.. I don't see why it wouldn't work. 



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 10:40 AM

Faergor, this has only been tested with wounds...


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 01:03 PM

Faergor, this has only been tested about wounds...

Yeah, I know, and yet we are talking about scarring that was caused primarily by acne.

 

Perhaps doctors could remove layers of skin,therefore creating an open wound and then injecting the place with the "substance"?:P It has already been discussed here.

 

I was just curious about the nose, because nose has many curves, and it has been said many times, that it is different from rest of the skin due to cartilage.



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 01:51 PM

  • The skin is not homogeneous, it changes in thickness, porosity etc in every part of the body, check the palms skin, fingers tips the face, the nose, legs, ass, etc.
  • The hydrogel does not regenerate the skin, it is a scaffold that helps you body regenerates it self.
  • Scar actually blocks regeneration and the hydrogel heps the skin grow back.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 09:31 PM

If this gel truly regenerates skin completely, then im pretty sure it will help with nose scars as well.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 10:20 PM

I am looking into high frequency stem cells. Lot of clinical trials going on right now. Not sure if they can truly regenerate skin.

 

http://www.telegraph...h-wrinkles.html

 

http://www.cosmetics...lls-heal-scars/


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 05:14 AM

Not sure if this is relevant but I think this new product is similar to dextran hydrogel. Good thing is that this is in Ireland where clinical trials are less stringent I guess.

 

http://www.independe...e-29740984.html


Edited by Binga, 16 November 2013 - 05:36 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 10:04 PM

Can someone email one of the doctors working with the hydrogel and ask if this is only targeted to third degree burn scars? I feel like that's the biggest question here. 



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:12 AM

Anyone heard of this? Might be useful to stop scar formation after acne scar excisions.

 

http://www.neodynebi...m/products.html



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 04:34 AM

Hi Collegekidd, 3rd degree burns means the worst scarring, full (epidermis and dermis) destroyed and sometimes even fat, nerves, bones and other tissues affected.

If is possible to regenerate that kind of skin injury, I think you can also regenerate less dramatic injuries and scarring.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 01:08 PM

Hi Collegekidd, 3rd degree burns means the worst scarring, full (epidermis and dermis) destroyed and sometimes even fat, nerves, bones and other tissues affected.
If is possible to regenerate that kind of skin injury, I think you can also regenerate less dramatic injuries and scarring.
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I understand but there has been no mention of this being used for anything besides third degree burns. It would make zero sense to only apply this for third degree burn scars, but there has been no mention that this will be used for anything else.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:15 PM

I understand your concern but don`t worry, if the hydrogel can regenerate 3rd degree burns it will have multiple applications,

the most important now is the large animals trials outcome.



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 05:28 PM

I understand your concern but don`t worry, if the hydrogel can regenerate 3rd degree burns it will have multiple applications,

the most important now is the large animals trials outcome.

I hope they release information soon! 



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 08:31 PM

Hi Collegekidd, 3rd degree burns means the worst scarring, full (epidermis and dermis) destroyed and sometimes even fat, nerves, bones and other tissues affected.
If is possible to regenerate that kind of skin injury, I think you can also regenerate less dramatic injuries and scarring.
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I understand but there has been no mention of this being used for anything besides third degree burns. It would make zero sense to only apply this for third degree burn scars, but there has been no mention that this will be used for anything else.

 

Its kind of like recell. Leave it to the surgeons they will figure it out. 



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 09:58 AM

This is so funny

 

The time happens and nothing happens

 

Dont you know? we are here waiste the time



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:59 AM

On the Facebook site the moderator posted on November 18th that clinical trials on larger animals should wrap up in 3-6 weeks. That would put it sometime between December and early January. I've talked to the moderator of the page several times and his information has always panned out so I think we can all trust it.

 

However, it will likely mean that for any paper to be published it will take a minimum of another six months (going off the original paper, which stated it was received for review in September and then published in December and I'm building in time for them to write it). Hopefully, we can get information before then but if not then we'd be looking at June I would think. Maybe longer depending on how long it takes them to write the paper. But then again, the researches have been forthcoming at different times to people on this board so we might coax it out of them much sooner.


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