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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:14 PM

Hey Panos, if you thing orange juice is the cure, more power to you. I hope it works for you.

 

What I really don't get is your need to shout from the mountaintop about your ideas, while totally discounting anything else and encouraging others to do so. Why can't we all just have our own opinions and hopes for something that works? I know you didn't always feel this way about the hydrogel since you were a moderator on the facebook page, so what gives? You're not going to change anyone's mind be being close-minded about something.

 

I think the board should  be an avenue for sharing ideas rather than arguing about different techniques in the abstract rather than using concrete facts.. After all, don't we really just want to get rid of the scars that bother us? In the end, if scar-free healing comes we'll all reap the benefits and it won't matter who was right or wrong. rolleyes.gif



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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:25 PM

Hey Panos, if you thing orange juice is the cure, more power to you. I hope it works for you.

 

What I really don't get is your need to shout from the mountaintop about your ideas, while totally discounting anything else and encouraging others to do so. Why can't we all just have our own opinions and hopes for something that works? I know you didn't always feel this way about the hydrogel since you were a moderator on the facebook page, so what gives? You're not going to change anyone's mind be being close-minded about something.

 

I think the board should  be an avenue for sharing ideas rather than arguing about different techniques in the abstract rather than using concrete facts.. After all, don't we really just want to get rid of the scars that bother us? In the end, if scar-free healing comes we'll all reap the benefits and it won't matter who was right or wrong. rolleyes.gif

 

Humans have a history to healing scarring for thousand of years.

So i have the need to shout the treatments that have worked for others.Avocado is working on my 2 scars i am putting it.

So yeah i feel the need to shout for others.

 

We dont know if hydrogel is working.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:29 AM

Yes, I do believe it is healthy and good for your skin. But I do not believe that fasting on orange juice for 40 days will help getting rid of acne scars. If you seriously believe that, then open a clinic and promise people exactly that: 40 days here in my clinic and your skin will be free for acne scars. If you're right you will be a very rich man in a short time.

 

why do you need a clinic to promote orange juice? Lol. He won't be rich, orange juice is available everywhere.!



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:43 PM

Hey Panos, if you thing orange juice is the cure, more power to you. I hope it works for you.

 

What I really don't get is your need to shout from the mountaintop about your ideas, while totally discounting anything else and encouraging others to do so. Why can't we all just have our own opinions and hopes for something that works? I know you didn't always feel this way about the hydrogel since you were a moderator on the facebook page, so what gives? You're not going to change anyone's mind be being close-minded about something.

 

I think the board should  be an avenue for sharing ideas rather than arguing about different techniques in the abstract rather than using concrete facts.. After all, don't we really just want to get rid of the scars that bother us? In the end, if scar-free healing comes we'll all reap the benefits and it won't matter who was right or wrong. rolleyes.gif

 

Humans have a history to healing scarring for thousand of years.

So i have the need to shout the treatments that have worked for others.Avocado is working on my 2 scars i am putting it.

So yeah i feel the need to shout for others.

 

We dont know if hydrogel is working.

 

To my knowledge there is no method, scientifically tested or otherwise, that has ever reversed scarring completely to give back sebaceous glands, hair, sweat glands and healthy skin morphology. If you think doing what you're doing works then great, heck, maybe it does.

 

But the human mind is clever, so clever that it can create perceptions that aren't based on a shared reality. For example, a ton of people on here have scars they think are debilitating while someone else might look at them and not even realize they're there. It's the same with a treatment that uses only the eye test. You look in the mirror and you see improvement and I think that's great. Truly. At the end of the day a person's view of their self is what's most important.

 

But on the other hand without a proven methodology and comparing something to a control there's no way to definitely state that avocado, orange juice or any other natural healing treatment is actually and improvement over the natural remodeling your healthy skin and scars go through over the course of a lifetime. If there's research out there that says otherwise; I'd definitely want to read it and try any method with such support. But I've looked into avocado, orange juice and colloidal silver and so far came up with nothing.

 

I guess the difference with the hydrogel for me is that there is quantifiable evidence to support the idea that it creates a scar-free wound healing environment (granted, in mice). There's a one to one comparison; here's how the mouse healed with this, here's how it healed with nothing added and here's how it healed with the hydrogel. Unlike any other method, tested or anecdotal, it had tangible results that could be counted and observed: hair follicles, sebaceous glands, sweat glands, skin density etc. That's the reason I'm, and many others I suspect, are excited about the hydrogel. True, we don't know for certain it will work on humans, but we do know for certain that it works on a mammal in a way that no other treatment has ever worked before. Skepticism is fine, but if we approached every idea with the point of view "we don't know that this will work" we likely wouldn't have things like flight, computers, cars etc.

 

Again, I really hope your methods are working for you. One question though: are you using a holistic approach with orange juice, colloidal silver and avocado? I only ask because you seemed to indicate that colloidal silver alone would give the same results as the hydrogel so I'm not sure why you would need avocado if that's the case. Anyway, good luck the healing.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:51 PM

@golfpanther.

 

Colloidal silver works on even 3rd degree burns.I dont know if it will help with extensive scarring.

People report results with it .They also report results from using 302 skin care products line.(they contain avogen found only in avocado).

I report results for little scars by rubbing avocado on the scars..      

 

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Edited by panos, 09 July 2013 - 04:53 PM.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:45 PM

http://inbt.jhu.edu/...veterinary-use/ this was published yesterday and I thought it was pretty interesting (:



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:58 PM

http://inbt.jhu.edu/...veterinary-use/ this was published yesterday and I thought it was pretty interesting (:

 

Good news.When this becomes available,i am gonna ty it with dermastamping.

Thing is we have to know that this is bioavailable and friendly  for the skin.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:14 PM

http://inbt.jhu.edu/...veterinary-use/ this was published yesterday and I thought it was pretty interesting (:

 

Awesome find! Good to hear straight from the source on how things are progressing. I'd like to get my hands on the magazine to see their proposed timeline. I actually have two in-laws that got their Ph.D there but they weren't engineering students. I wonder if I can get them to request a copy. Also, interestingly they claim to be getting e-mails about the transition to humans at least once a week. I guess the interest is pretty strong, which is a good thing when it comes to investments. :)



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:42 PM

Hey panos,

This is not an attack on you, but with regards to evidence, please read this.

http://fyeahdawkins....ar-old-daughter

 

@golfpanther.

 

Colloidal silver works on even 3rd degree burns.I dont know if it will help with extensive scarring.

People report results with it .They also report results from using 302 skin care products line.(they contain avogen found only in avocado).

I report results for little scars by rubbing avocado on the scars..      

 

Dont forget who you are and where you are coming from.


Edited by seabs135, 10 July 2013 - 06:48 PM.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:56 PM

Hey panos,

This is not an attack on you, but with regards to evidence, please read this.

http://fyeahdawkins....ar-old-daughter

 

@golfpanther.

 

Colloidal silver works on even 3rd degree burns.I dont know if it will help with extensive scarring.

People report results with it .They also report results from using 302 skin care products line.(they contain avogen found only in avocado).

I report results for little scars by rubbing avocado on the scars..      

 

Dont forget who you are and where you are coming from.

 

Seabs, Dont forget who you are and where you are coming from.

 

Love :D


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:56 AM

This document says something about the release date in veterinary? do not really understand the English language

 

 

 

http://inbt.jhu.edu/...veterinary-use/ this was published yesterday and I thought it was pretty interesting (:

 

Good news.When this becomes available,i am gonna ty it with dermastamping.

Thing is we have to know that this is bioavailable and friendly  for the skin.



I would like to know how this would work in humans hydrogel that level as the body react in tgf growth factors b1, b2, b3


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:47 AM

This document says something about the release date in veterinary? do not really understand the English language

 

 

 

 

http://inbt.jhu.edu/...veterinary-use/ this was published yesterday and I thought it was pretty interesting (:

 

Good news.When this becomes available,i am gonna ty it with dermastamping.

Thing is we have to know that this is bioavailable and friendly  for the skin.



I would like to know how this would work in humans hydrogel that level as the body react in tgf growth factors b1, b2, b3

 

It doesnt go into detail.It just says it may first becoe available for veterinary use after the pig studies.

Also it says,that they dont have a clue about its working mechanisms.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:24 AM

Is this coming out any soon? Pls.. Im really kinda desperate lol.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:41 PM

This document says something about the release date in veterinary? do not really understand the English language

 

 

 

 

http://inbt.jhu.edu/...veterinary-use/ this was published yesterday and I thought it was pretty interesting (:

 

Good news.When this becomes available,i am gonna ty it with dermastamping.

Thing is we have to know that this is bioavailable and friendly  for the skin.



I would like to know how this would work in humans hydrogel that level as the body react in tgf growth factors b1, b2, b3

 

 

This document says something about the release date in veterinary? do not really understand the English language

 

 

 

 

http://inbt.jhu.edu/...veterinary-use/ this was published yesterday and I thought it was pretty interesting (:

 

Good news.When this becomes available,i am gonna ty it with dermastamping.

Thing is we have to know that this is bioavailable and friendly  for the skin.



I would like to know how this would work in humans hydrogel that level as the body react in tgf growth factors b1, b2, b3

 

The article says that the timeline is in the magazine for their engineering school that's released bi-yearly. I'm going to look into getting my hands on it.



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:22 PM

This document says something about the release date in veterinary? do not really understand the English language
 
 
 


 


http://inbt.jhu.edu/...veterinary-use/ this was published yesterday and I thought it was pretty interesting (:

 
Good news.When this becomes available,i am gonna ty it with dermastamping.
Thing is we have to know that this is bioavailable and friendly  for the skin.
I would like to know how this would work in humans hydrogel that level as the body react in tgf growth factors b1, b2, b3
 
 

This document says something about the release date in veterinary? do not really understand the English language
 
 
 


 


http://inbt.jhu.edu/...veterinary-use/ this was published yesterday and I thought it was pretty interesting (:

 
Good news.When this becomes available,i am gonna ty it with dermastamping.
Thing is we have to know that this is bioavailable and friendly  for the skin.
I would like to know how this would work in humans hydrogel that level as the body react in tgf growth factors b1, b2, b3
 
The article says that the timeline is in the magazine for their engineering school that's released bi-yearly. I'm going to look into getting my hands on it.

Tell us if you do get your hands on it :)

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:51 AM

from the fb page

 

http://eng.jhu.edu/w...rs-of-hydrogel/

 

Let me doubt the word ''biomaterial''.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:18 PM

Good web page

 

''“The main chemical ingredient here is a form of sugar currently used in bread, and which has been used clinically since the 1940s with a long safety record.''

 

¿any know how is the name of that sugar?

 

 

 

from the fb page

 

http://eng.jhu.edu/w...rs-of-hydrogel/

 

Let me doubt the word ''biomaterial''.



From that interview

 

 

''anticipate seeing hydrogel being used clinically in pre-approved trials on humans within 18 to 24 months

 

Gerecht and her team are also working on forms of hydrogel that are infused with various forms of human stem cells in an effort to trigger the body’s power to regenerate blood vessels.

 

 There is still much work that must be done before we can make it work the way we want it to. But I think we are on the right track.” Gerecht’s work is funded in part by the National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation''

 

 

 

My opinión is

 

Why they want to try different things? Why would add things like stem cells? do not understand why complicate things. should first projected sales shows the hydrogel simple, and then see if they can improve.

 

 

 

 



I do not know why the articles is undated. I want to see the date of this interview so after two years to see if they fulfill the promise of human testing


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 07:30 AM

"In fact, Tolfree posits that if the upcoming pig studies turn out to be as promising as Gerecht expects, the hydrogel could be on the market for veterinary/animal use within six to 18 months. He expects that the gel will be valuable in hard-to-treat canine and feline wounds and skin conditions, as well as in slow-to-heal equine hoof and lower leg wounds, among other things."

 

That sounds a lot like the currently available product from OTR3 which is also used to speed up wound healing...and not to regenerate skin. But we'll see.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 11:49 AM

Good web page

 

''“The main chemical ingredient here is a form of sugar currently used in bread, and which has been used clinically since the 1940s with a long safety record.''

 

¿any know how is the name of that sugar?

 

 

 

from the fb page

 

http://eng.jhu.edu/w...rs-of-hydrogel/

 

Let me doubt the word ''biomaterial''.



From that interview

 

 

''anticipate seeing hydrogel being used clinically in pre-approved trials on humans within 18 to 24 months

 

Gerecht and her team are also working on forms of hydrogel that are infused with various forms of human stem cells in an effort to trigger the body’s power to regenerate blood vessels.

 

 There is still much work that must be done before we can make it work the way we want it to. But I think we are on the right track.” Gerecht’s work is funded in part by the National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation''

 

 

 

My opinión is

 

Why they want to try different things? Why would add things like stem cells? do not understand why complicate things. should first projected sales shows the hydrogel simple, and then see if they can improve.

 

 

 

 



I do not know why the articles is undated. I want to see the date of this interview so after two years to see if they fulfill the promise of human testing

 

The article that was originally posted here was dated as July 9th, 2013 and referred to the magazine article that it linked to as being released in the summer edition of the engineering school's magazine. Since it's a bi-yearly released magazine, I think it's safe to assume it was written sometime between January 1st of this year to sometime in June.

 

Regarding their use of stem cells; that's what they originally set out to test so I'm guessing they still want to pursue that course of action and their funding might even be dependent on it since that was what originally was proposed by Gerecht's team. The results the hydrogel achieved by itself were unprecedented and unexpected. Plus, why not continue your research into stem cells in case the hydrogel needs something extra to be as effective in humans as it was in mice.

 

Lapis, in terms of using it for slow to heal wounds and on cats and dogs for skin conditions, I'd imagine that's the best way to show it's efficacy in those animals. I mean, it's not like animals go into their dermatologist asking for a chemical peel, dermarolling and new wound healing tech for cosmetic reasons. For animals, those conditions are the ones that are available to treat in that market. Testing is one thing; burn a mouse and apply it to  see what it can do. But we're talking about making money on pets so they'll use the hydrogel to treat the conditions that are available to them. Remember, unfortunately only humans get acne and the resulting scars. :( Also, I'm quite sure there will be owners out there that might want to try it on old scars to see if they can be improved.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:14 PM

Lapis, in terms of using it for slow to heal wounds and on cats and dogs for skin conditions, I'd imagine that's the best way to show it's efficacy in those animals. I mean, it's not like animals go into their dermatologist asking for a chemical peel, dermarolling and new wound healing tech for cosmetic reasons. For animals, those conditions are the ones that are available to treat in that market. Testing is one thing; burn a mouse and apply it to  see what it can do. But we're talking about making money on pets so they'll use the hydrogel to treat the conditions that are available to them. Remember, unfortunately only humans get acne and the resulting scars. sad.png Also, I'm quite sure there will be owners out there that might want to try it on old scars to see if they can be improved.

 

I guess that makes sense. Let's hope it works so I can go out in the heat without ending up looking like a red bell pepper. tongue.png






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