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Posted 02 June 2013 - 02:26 PM

There is no hope. :|

 

No, just kidding. I don't know how far we are. There are some things around which induce hope but there always are/have been. I don't think it will come around any time soon.

 

how far are we from finally getting rid of deep acne scarring?



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Posted 02 June 2013 - 03:06 PM

I am aware of Hydrogel. Maybe I should have clarified my last post for a dimwit like yourself. I only consider progress when there is something that actually works, and something that is available today for everyone around the world. Until then, there is nothing to be excited about. Maybe you should take a little break from the forums because you seem to have an unhealthy obsession over this topic.

 

 

It's very sad to see that there is still no progress for scarless healing yet. Our generation is completely fucked. Sorry for the negativity, but it is what it is.

 

There is empirical and 'scientific evidence' of a material that degrades rapidly and completely regenerates, which was tested against an established control, cited all over the thread...

Do you have learned helplessness?

http://en.wikipedia....igman_and_Maier



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Posted 02 June 2013 - 05:21 PM

I'm going nowhere.:)

 

Why the aggression here?

 

And surely a clever lad/lass like yourself should understand a concept of clear objective scientific empirical evidence,  and how that standard of evidence is better than a subjective glass half full or glass half empty point of view?

 

 

I am aware of Hydrogel. Maybe I should have clarified my last post for a dimwit like yourself. I only consider progress when there is something that actually works, and something that is available today for everyone around the world. Until then, there is nothing to be excited about. Maybe you should take a little break from the forums because you seem to have an unhealthy obsession over this topic.

 

 

 

It's very sad to see that there is still no progress for scarless healing yet. Our generation is completely fucked. Sorry for the negativity, but it is what it is.

 

There is empirical and 'scientific evidence' of a material that degrades rapidly and completely regenerates, which was tested against an established control, cited all over the thread...

Do you have learned helplessness?

http://en.wikipedia....igman_and_Maier


Edited by seabs135, 02 June 2013 - 06:06 PM.


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Posted 02 June 2013 - 09:11 PM

We have to change our society .Otherwise :no scar healing to the world.

 

FDA doesnt even like colloidal silver,one of the best anti scar substance.Promotes dedifferentiation

of mature cells back to embryonic state.It is  even used for 3rd degree burns.

 

It wouldnt be shocking if it didnt approve this also. We are the little guys ,we wont get it so easily.

Still have hope to the JHU?Its ok to do that.

But when you know that they are under governmental control +the funding comes

from pharmaceutical industries,then you know you have to change something in your way of thinking.



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 07:16 PM

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Edited by Maldition, 06 June 2013 - 06:41 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:10 AM

we're screwed, we will never find a solution, be realistic once never find a solution.

 

The hydrogel it's.

 

A scam!

 

 

*Rolls eyes*

 

Text big enough there? You label everything a scam Maldition... is there any product out there that you even believe in? Never find a solution? Only if you think like that. Why don't you try being a little optimistic? My scars have improved incredibly since I started my treatment journey, all thanks to science and people doing the research behind scars and their treatments. Society and science have a long way to go but nothing these days is insurmountable! 



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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:57 AM

Well I don't want to get involved in all the aggression and arguing going on here. I am a long time member of acne.org and have gone here pretty much all through high school, college and such.

 

A lot of people on here helped me although what really helped with clearing up my acne was Accutane sadly had to go on it twice and now I have chronically dry eyes. But anyways thats beside the point.

 

I had terrible scars after all my acne issues and as a result a year ago my dermatologist recommended I get Recell spray on skin treatment. I was skeptical but I looked at the websites and was blown away by the results people posted:

http://www.examiner....recell-patients

 

Anyways I eventually underwent the treatment. It only took an hour or so within a few months almost all of my scars had filled it and now a year out you can barely tell I ever had acne. I know your probably skeptical hearing this bc I sure was coming to these forums for years when I would read what worked for people ( I even read on here once that putting egg yolks on your face works to get rid of acne and toothpaste, i tried those they didn't lol).

 

Anyways Recell worked great for me. Do your own research but when I went home to see my parents the other day they were amazed they thought I was a compeltely different person. All the red marks and ugly scars are almost all gone. Theres still a little bit in my worse areas but honestly its almost impossible to see unless your staring point blank in a mirror.

 

The whole thing cost me a few hundred bucks. I think list price was $2000 but somehow my dermatologist got insurance to cover some of it. Anyways compeltely revolutionized my life. It worked amazingly for me.

 

-Mark



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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:11 PM

Well I don't want to get involved in all the aggression and arguing going on here. I am a long time member of acne.org and have gone here pretty much all through high school, college and such.

 

A lot of people on here helped me although what really helped with clearing up my acne was Accutane sadly had to go on it twice and now I have chronically dry eyes. But anyways thats beside the point.

 

I had terrible scars after all my acne issues and as a result a year ago my dermatologist recommended I get Recell spray on skin treatment. I was skeptical but I looked at the websites and was blown away by the results people posted:

http://www.examiner....recell-patients

 

Anyways I eventually underwent the treatment. It only took an hour or so within a few months almost all of my scars had filled it and now a year out you can barely tell I ever had acne. I know your probably skeptical hearing this bc I sure was coming to these forums for years when I would read what worked for people ( I even read on here once that putting egg yolks on your face works to get rid of acne and toothpaste, i tried those they didn't lol).

 

Anyways Recell worked great for me. Do your own research but when I went home to see my parents the other day they were amazed they thought I was a compeltely different person. All the red marks and ugly scars are almost all gone. Theres still a little bit in my worse areas but honestly its almost impossible to see unless your staring point blank in a mirror.

 

The whole thing cost me a few hundred bucks. I think list price was $2000 but somehow my dermatologist got insurance to cover some of it. Anyways compeltely revolutionized my life. It worked amazingly for me.

 

-Mark

 

Great to hear it worked so well for you. Those pictures are impressive. I think most of us, if not all of us, that used this board are familiar with ReCell. I think the issue for using it for a lot of people comes down to the fact that it doesn't regenerate skin appendages and skin withe exact morphology as before the injury occurred. So you don't get things like hair, the ability to sweat, oil secretion etc.

 

But that's awesome that it made such a positive impact on your life. Good stories like this are hard to come by on this forum. Congrats!



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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:26 PM

We have to change our society .Otherwise :no scar healing to the world.

 

FDA doesnt even like colloidal silver,one of the best anti scar substance.Promotes dedifferentiation

of mature cells back to embryonic state.It is  even used for 3rd degree burns.

 

It wouldnt be shocking if it didnt approve this also. We are the little guys ,we wont get it so easily.

Still have hope to the JHU?Its ok to do that.

But when you know that they are under governmental control +the funding comes

from pharmaceutical industries,then you know you have to change something in your way of thinking.

 

 

I guess for some things, this thinking makes sense. Like cancer for example. If you eliminate it rather than manage it and "treat" it then you're potentially costing your organization a lot more money down the road. I'm not saying that's what I believe, but at least the theory has some inherent logic.

 

But with scars? Not really at all. Think about all the people on this board that refuse to get other treatments because they want a comprehensive solution. The pharmaceutical companies aren't making any money off these people right now but the market potential is huge. And the thing about scars is...we get them all the freaking time. It's not like eliminating a disease, it's something that can occur at any given moment, which would necessitate future procedures. Throw in the fact that you could charge a ton for using a scar-free healing methods for surgeries and you'd generate income not only from that, but also from the multitude of people that would choose to do cosmetic procedures if such a method were available.

 

A healthy amount of skepticism is fine and I do agree that the FDA needs to loosen some of their regulatory practices. But a short trip over to Wikipedia will show you that the reason they tightened up so much was due to a tragically flawed drug (Thalidomide) that caused horrific birth defects in pregnant women. So, the motivation to tighten the ship was brought about by a real failure in oversight, not some corporate boogeymen with an agenda.

 

Let's just stick to objective facts and updates from reputable sources (e.g. published and vetted papers and the researchers themselves). Otherwise, it's just trolling to get attention. Lastly, my family is heavily involved with academia (two of my in-laws graduated with their PhD's from JHU) and while the process to get money from the NIH (JHU received money from the NHLBI for this research) is lengthy, it's not like the shadow your every move. Let's just lighten up, stayed informed, help where we can and judge the results on their merits—not speculation.



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Posted 05 June 2013 - 02:59 AM

^^ Come man .Nobody is gonna give you a material that can TRULY 

   regenerate skin. You are a slave like me and others here.

  

Thats why ,our generation has to break this matrix(the enviroment in which something develops)

and show that scarless healing is real, contrary to the popular belief,and we are not dependent by 

any JHU or other governmental associated universities.



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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:09 AM


.

 

 

*Rolls eyes*

 

Text big enough there? You label everything a scam Maldition... is there any product out there that you even believe in? Never find a solution? Only if you think like that. Why don't you try being a little optimistic? My scars have improved incredibly since I started my treatment journey, all thanks to science and people doing the research behind scars and their treatments. Society and science have a long way to go but nothing these days is insurmountable! 

 



i have to do ''regime every day 99999 vitamins and serums'', have your mind busy.


Edited by Maldition, 06 June 2013 - 06:42 PM.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:57 AM

^^ Come man .Nobody is gonna give you a material that can TRULY 

   regenerate skin. You are a slave like me and others here.

  

Thats why ,our generation has to break this matrix(the enviroment in which something develops)

and show that scarless healing is real, contrary to the popular belief,and we are not dependent by 

any JHU or other governmental associated universities.

 

So, what exactly is your plan of attack to break free of said matrix and find a method for scar-free healing? It's fine to say that but unless you have an actual methodology it's just words.

 

And really, you believe everyone, everywhere is so malicious and conspiratorial that they'll bury the technology just...because? Since I know several people that graduated for JHU and talk to them every day I can tell you it's just not true. At least in that specific institution's case. And I stand by what I wrote. If your theory is that "they" operate solely to keep us under their thumb than the surest way to do that is to control where our money goes and how we spend it. Giving us a way to heal our wounds scar free would open up huge avenues of revenue and control.

 

And regarding silver, I doubt you'll believe this paper but I'll post a link to it anyway. It basically says that some of the silver treatments they test led to longer healing times than controls. Oh, and it's not a US paper, it's Malaysian.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22030441

 

You will likely find a reason to doubt it, and that's fine. I do think there are instances where governments control the flow of information and progress in ways that probably don't serve the public interest, but I see no reason to believe scar free healing is one of them.

 

Honestly, the moderator should just shut this forum down. It's completely lost it's purpose. I'd be more than happy to discuss alternatives to the hydrogel (I did look into the silver method and earlier there was a linked paper about Mesenchymal Stem Cells and Wharton's Jelly that was published in China) but no one seems to be doing that anymore.



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Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:59 PM



There is no hope. neutral.gif

 

 

Yes, that's correct. ok. asked ¿do you love your new queen?

 

huh.png ok.

 

We need a solution, i can not be diplomatic.i mean.i can not live whit the frustration like all people here does.


Edited by Maldition, 06 June 2013 - 11:02 PM.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 08:05 AM

^^ Come man .Nobody is gonna give you a material that can TRULY 

   regenerate skin. You are a slave like me and others here.

  

Thats why ,our generation has to break this matrix(the enviroment in which something develops)

and show that scarless healing is real, contrary to the popular belief,and we are not dependent by 

any JHU or other governmental associated universities.

 

So, what exactly is your plan of attack to break free of said matrix and find a method for scar-free healing? It's fine to say that but unless you have an actual methodology it's just words.

 

And really, you believe everyone, everywhere is so malicious and conspiratorial that they'll bury the technology just...because? Since I know several people that graduated for JHU and talk to them every day I can tell you it's just not true. At least in that specific institution's case. And I stand by what I wrote. If your theory is that "they" operate solely to keep us under their thumb than the surest way to do that is to control where our money goes and how we spend it. Giving us a way to heal our wounds scar free would open up huge avenues of revenue and control.

 

And regarding silver, I doubt you'll believe this paper but I'll post a link to it anyway. It basically says that some of the silver treatments they test led to longer healing times than controls. Oh, and it's not a US paper, it's Malaysian.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22030441

 

You will likely find a reason to doubt it, and that's fine. I do think there are instances where governments control the flow of information and progress in ways that probably don't serve the public interest, but I see no reason to believe scar free healing is one of them.

 

Honestly, the moderator should just shut this forum down. It's completely lost it's purpose. I'd be more than happy to discuss alternatives to the hydrogel (I did look into the silver method and earlier there was a linked paper about Mesenchymal Stem Cells and Wharton's Jelly that was published in China) but no one seems to be doing that anymore.

 

Its obvious we cant communicate.

I speak about governmental organized practices and you reply about jhu simple students.

The last word(=the power) its on fda.

 

Colloidal silver promotes dedifferentiation of mature cells back to embryonic state,it is being used for systemic infections

and is a miracle when it comes to burns.

 

This forum is about scar-free healing ,not just hydrogel.And CS can promote it so the admin doesnt have to shut down anything.



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 08:21 AM

The scientific paper Golfpanther cited states silver is no better than the control. The paper is testable too.

 

 

 

^^ Come man .Nobody is gonna give you a material that can TRULY 

   regenerate skin. You are a slave like me and others here.

  

Thats why ,our generation has to break this matrix(the enviroment in which something develops)

and show that scarless healing is real, contrary to the popular belief,and we are not dependent by 

any JHU or other governmental associated universities.

 

So, what exactly is your plan of attack to break free of said matrix and find a method for scar-free healing? It's fine to say that but unless you have an actual methodology it's just words.

 

And really, you believe everyone, everywhere is so malicious and conspiratorial that they'll bury the technology just...because? Since I know several people that graduated for JHU and talk to them every day I can tell you it's just not true. At least in that specific institution's case. And I stand by what I wrote. If your theory is that "they" operate solely to keep us under their thumb than the surest way to do that is to control where our money goes and how we spend it. Giving us a way to heal our wounds scar free would open up huge avenues of revenue and control.

 

And regarding silver, I doubt you'll believe this paper but I'll post a link to it anyway. It basically says that some of the silver treatments they test led to longer healing times than controls. Oh, and it's not a US paper, it's Malaysian.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22030441

 

You will likely find a reason to doubt it, and that's fine. I do think there are instances where governments control the flow of information and progress in ways that probably don't serve the public interest, but I see no reason to believe scar free healing is one of them.

 

Honestly, the moderator should just shut this forum down. It's completely lost it's purpose. I'd be more than happy to discuss alternatives to the hydrogel (I did look into the silver method and earlier there was a linked paper about Mesenchymal Stem Cells and Wharton's Jelly that was published in China) but no one seems to be doing that anymore.

 

Its obvious we cant communicate.

I speak about governmental organized practices and you reply about jhu simple students.

The last word(=the power) its on fda.

 

Colloidal silver promotes dedifferentiation of mature cells back to embryonic state,it is being used for systemic infections

and is a miracle when it comes to burns.

 

This forum is about scar-free healing ,not just hydrogel.And CS can promote it so the admin doesnt have to shut down anything.



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 08:28 AM

Edited due to speaking bad.

 

Anyway,if anyone wants,give colloidal silver a try on existing scars.

You can find them on amazon .And i think in the US the best are Utopia silver and Mesosilver.


Edited by panos, 07 June 2013 - 08:49 AM.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 12:20 PM

 

^^ Come man .Nobody is gonna give you a material that can TRULY 

   regenerate skin. You are a slave like me and others here.

  

Thats why ,our generation has to break this matrix(the enviroment in which something develops)

and show that scarless healing is real, contrary to the popular belief,and we are not dependent by 

any JHU or other governmental associated universities.

 

So, what exactly is your plan of attack to break free of said matrix and find a method for scar-free healing? It's fine to say that but unless you have an actual methodology it's just words.

 

And really, you believe everyone, everywhere is so malicious and conspiratorial that they'll bury the technology just...because? Since I know several people that graduated for JHU and talk to them every day I can tell you it's just not true. At least in that specific institution's case. And I stand by what I wrote. If your theory is that "they" operate solely to keep us under their thumb than the surest way to do that is to control where our money goes and how we spend it. Giving us a way to heal our wounds scar free would open up huge avenues of revenue and control.

 

And regarding silver, I doubt you'll believe this paper but I'll post a link to it anyway. It basically says that some of the silver treatments they test led to longer healing times than controls. Oh, and it's not a US paper, it's Malaysian.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22030441

 

You will likely find a reason to doubt it, and that's fine. I do think there are instances where governments control the flow of information and progress in ways that probably don't serve the public interest, but I see no reason to believe scar free healing is one of them.

 

Honestly, the moderator should just shut this forum down. It's completely lost it's purpose. I'd be more than happy to discuss alternatives to the hydrogel (I did look into the silver method and earlier there was a linked paper about Mesenchymal Stem Cells and Wharton's Jelly that was published in China) but no one seems to be doing that anymore.

 

Its obvious we cant communicate.

I speak about governmental organized practices and you reply about jhu simple students.

The last word(=the power) its on fda.

 

Colloidal silver promotes dedifferentiation of mature cells back to embryonic state,it is being used for systemic infections

and is a miracle when it comes to burns.

 

This forum is about scar-free healing ,not just hydrogel.And CS can promote it so the admin doesnt have to shut down anything.

 

Well, I did try to communicate with you by posting a link to paper that tested colloidal silver. In fact, I searched for quite some time trying to find a published scientific article that had shown evidence of it promoting scar free healing beyond controls and normal dressings. But sadly, only found that it worsened healing times in a lot of cases.

 

Also, I stated that earlier in the form we were discussing the Chinese paper that tested MSCs and Wharton's Jelly. In mice it too showed scar free healing in mice with full appendages. I also partook in conversations earlier about ReCell, ACell, CAR-decorin and the paper about injecting stem cells into scarred parts of the heart. I love learning about new stuff and possible new avenues towards scar free healing.

 

I looked into colloidal silver for that reason and I'll be happy to look into anything else anyone posts as well. Just because I don't believe colloidal silver is the answer doesn't mean I can't look into it and comment on it. Incidentally, I'm very excited by the Chinese paper and there would be no FDA control whatsoever with that, which you seem quite worried about.

 

Yes, in America the FDA is the regulatory body that rules over these kinds of things. But as I posted a few entries ago, there's history as to why their restrictions are so tight now. Look, I believe some conspiracies do exist, but I just don't see the end game for this one. If you can give me a reason to see why pharmaceutical companies would suppress this, I'd be all ears. But so far you've just said, FDA is bad, have the power and would not give us this treatment. You're just expecting me to take something on face value, which ironically is probably exactly what the governmental control you speak of would like people to do.

 

Anyway, here's an interesting article about reversing the age of a heart. Not about scar free healing in particular or about the hydrogel, but I think it's interesting.

 

http://harvardmagazi...r-found-in-mice

 

And so new members can see it without scouring back pages and pages, here's the Chinese paper:

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23089966



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Posted 08 June 2013 - 12:46 PM

Thank you for the link.

You could try this for your scar and report back.

Mist them in the morning with colloidal siver,then put at night cocoa butter

and take iodine internally with co supplements.

 

I dont like the last method since it requires injection of msc and wharton's jelly to the area.

I prefer hydrogel.Though we really dont know how it would react on existing scars.Period-we dont know it.

Its like saying:''cayenne will heal a cut in a matter of hours.thats true.But what about if you excise a cut that has been scarred

and then apply cayenne.Will the new excised wound heal scarless or the information for scar forming healing will result in a different 

scar.This is my fear about hydrogel.

I think the way colloidal silver works by promoting dedifferentiaton of mature cells is a very good aproach.

I have shown a page here about Robert O Becker,achieving rat limb regrowth (mammal reggrowth) and regeneration of human

cut thumb,and a person here called Robert O'Becker( who actually died some years before) scam artist.



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Posted 09 June 2013 - 11:58 PM

Well I don't want to get involved in all the aggression and arguing going on here. I am a long time member of acne.org and have gone here pretty much all through high school, college and such.

 

A lot of people on here helped me although what really helped with clearing up my acne was Accutane sadly had to go on it twice and now I have chronically dry eyes. But anyways thats beside the point.

 

I had terrible scars after all my acne issues and as a result a year ago my dermatologist recommended I get Recell spray on skin treatment. I was skeptical but I looked at the websites and was blown away by the results people posted:

http://www.examiner....recell-patients

 

Anyways I eventually underwent the treatment. It only took an hour or so within a few months almost all of my scars had filled it and now a year out you can barely tell I ever had acne. I know your probably skeptical hearing this bc I sure was coming to these forums for years when I would read what worked for people ( I even read on here once that putting egg yolks on your face works to get rid of acne and toothpaste, i tried those they didn't lol).

 

Anyways Recell worked great for me. Do your own research but when I went home to see my parents the other day they were amazed they thought I was a compeltely different person. All the red marks and ugly scars are almost all gone. Theres still a little bit in my worse areas but honestly its almost impossible to see unless your staring point blank in a mirror.

 

The whole thing cost me a few hundred bucks. I think list price was $2000 but somehow my dermatologist got insurance to cover some of it. Anyways compeltely revolutionized my life. It worked amazingly for me.

 

-Mark

Hi Mark, sorry, but I'm calling BS on your post. You say you've been on this forum for many  years, yet your only posts are only recent ones touting the benefits of RECELL. Also you don't specify how the recell was used. In conjunction with dermabrasion or laser (what type of laser?) etc.. Recell for acne scars is never used on its own. 

 

I'm apologize if you're being genuine, but I'm pretty skeptical of the efficacy of recell for acne scarring since I've seen at best 30 percent improvement (which some lasers alone can achieve) with RECELL not the 80 percent improvement you seem to be claiming. Also, we don't really know how bad your scarring was. 

 

If you are genuine and want to help then please provide pics (you don't have to show your whole face or reveal your identity) of your scars and how they look AFTER recell and please take them in the worst light i.e. not flat even lighting, but lighting which shows the scars. Also, please provide more details of your treatment, e.g. what the RECELL was used in conjunction with and who your dermatologist was. 

If you cannot provide before after pics and the above information, it's pretty hard to trust you're for real and not just some representative from RECEL or have other interests. 

 

I've never seen improvements from RECELL which made me think it was worth it. 



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 06:48 PM

Hi everyone!

And what the hell is that "colloidal silver" ?






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