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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:11 AM

There has to be a limit to how much the hydrogel can regenerate. What if we only see complete regeneration from the dermis and up? So if we excised anything deeper there's going to be a problem.

The major hurdle I see with this gel coming to the market is money, if a company like johnsons (bandaid) picks it up it can be in out hands in no time. 

 

“Nobody thought it was worth funding because it was such a crazy idea. Why would anyone want to put pig tissue in a human?” But profit-minded entrepreneurialism saved the day from pundit-advised conservatism. Eli Lilly and Co. and DuPuy, an orthopedic company in Indiana, put real money into the idea" - This was quoted from an article about acell (ECM) it could take up to a decade+ for dextran to come to fruitation.

 

Acell + Prp is doing wonders for hair restoration could we see some significant regeneration if we used this on our face after a procedure?

Recell (Spray on skin) Should be on the US market hopefully next year or year after, could we incorporate acell into this procedure to promote skin regeneration?  

Could the acell provide a good breeding ground for the new skin cells to multiply while the ecm help recruit new stem cells to the wound site. 

Obviously I have no evidence to back this up but surely if applying recell after ablative skin resurfacing yields better results than not applying anything at all then if we can somehow incoporate acell into it we should see even better results just like prp + acell combo for hair. 

I don't expect these methods will yield complete regeneration but if we can get some solid results it will definitely draw more interest in regenerative medicine which in turn increase funding.

 

On a positive note hydrogel gel does seem to provide great a great healing environment for wounds and its not just BS. The link below talks about poland developing their own hydrogel called alemat. They've had small clinical trials and say their product can heal wounds upto 40% quicker. Lets hope the scientist at John Hopkins is onto something amazing with detran.

 

http://www.genengnew.../print/3/31048/



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Posted 20 April 2013 - 10:25 AM

There has to be a limit to how much the hydrogel can regenerate. What if we only see complete regeneration from the dermis and up? So if we excised anything deeper there's going to be a problem.

 

The hydrogel and a reliable control were placed in 'full thickness wounds' (cut out from a 3rd degree burn), the hydrogel completely degraded in 7 to 10 days (hence it reepithelized, in 7 to 10 days, since it is known upon digestion cells are created), after 14 days the wound was checked and it had indeed reepithelized way before the 21 day cut off. It achieved complete regeneration from a 3rd degree burn in under 14days. The control that has been tested thousands of times on all mammals behaved typically. There is no limit to anything that regenerates completely..



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Posted 20 April 2013 - 03:02 PM

There has to be a limit to how much the hydrogel can regenerate. What if we only see complete regeneration from the dermis and up? So if we excised anything deeper there's going to be a problem.

 

The hydrogel and a reliable control were placed in 'full thickness wounds' (cut out from a 3rd degree burn), the hydrogel completely degraded in 7 to 10 days (hence it reepithelized, in 7 to 10 days, since it is known upon digestion cells are created), after 14 days the wound was checked and it had indeed reepithelized way before the 21 day cut off. It achieved complete regeneration from a 3rd degree burn in under 14days. The control that has been tested thousands of times on all mammals behaved typically. There is no limit to anything that regenerates completely..

 

What I mean is the hydrogel isn't going to to regenerate a severed finger. where is the boundry for this complete regeneration. Complete regeneration of a skin doesn't mean you will see complete regeneration of a severed limb. And what about the size of the wound? will it work on larger wound sites?  



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Posted 20 April 2013 - 03:55 PM

 

There has to be a limit to how much the hydrogel can regenerate. What if we only see complete regeneration from the dermis and up? So if we excised anything deeper there's going to be a problem.

 

The hydrogel and a reliable control were placed in 'full thickness wounds' (cut out from a 3rd degree burn), the hydrogel completely degraded in 7 to 10 days (hence it reepithelized, in 7 to 10 days, since it is known upon digestion cells are created), after 14 days the wound was checked and it had indeed reepithelized way before the 21 day cut off. It achieved complete regeneration from a 3rd degree burn in under 14days. The control that has been tested thousands of times on all mammals behaved typically. There is no limit to anything that regenerates completely..

 

What I mean is the hydrogel isn't going to to regenerate a severed finger. where is the boundry for this complete regeneration. Complete regeneration of a skin doesn't mean you will see complete regeneration of a severed limb. And what about the size of the wound? will it work on larger wound sites?  

Hydrogel regenerates up to 3rd degree burn as seabs said, yes it should work on larger wounds by applying more gel.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:27 PM

Using the paper, and papers that back this paper up with regards to the digestion of scaffolds. A digestible hydrogel works by being digested. Here is the logic, when a scaffold is digested cells are created, when it is not digested incomplete regeneration occurs. This hydrogel digested way faster than the control scaffold that has been tested in thousands of mammals. Logically the only way this would not work on any mammal wound is if, you used the slower digested control or you had an impaired neutrophil or white blood cells response, like say what happens in end stage diabetes.

 

There has to be a limit to how much the hydrogel can regenerate. What if we only see complete regeneration from the dermis and up? So if we excised anything deeper there's going to be a problem.

 

The hydrogel and a reliable control were placed in 'full thickness wounds' (cut out from a 3rd degree burn), the hydrogel completely degraded in 7 to 10 days (hence it reepithelized, in 7 to 10 days, since it is known upon digestion cells are created), after 14 days the wound was checked and it had indeed reepithelized way before the 21 day cut off. It achieved complete regeneration from a 3rd degree burn in under 14days. The control that has been tested thousands of times on all mammals behaved typically. There is no limit to anything that regenerates completely..

 

What I mean is the hydrogel isn't going to to regenerate a severed finger. where is the boundry for this complete regeneration. Complete regeneration of a skin doesn't mean you will see complete regeneration of a severed limb. And what about the size of the wound? will it work on larger wound sites?  


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:45 PM

lLet's focus on acquiring hydrogel and have it in our hands. no matter if it's foundation or bought our own hydrogel to a scientist who works for us. but we must focus on acquiring this. the controversy about how it works is useless, here are talking about the same thing a while (how it works), and that is waste of time.

 

have money saved? use it to hire a biologist and do a hydrogel.

no money saved? should start saving and then do what I said before.

I think in the end my priority is not scars because if I buy something using savings would not hire a biologist, I actually I have a priority to material goods (perhaps as well that I see no use hydrogel or is somewhat hard to believe that a good thing for this probem) .. so staking me how important it is for me, maybe not so much, I think that ultimately I'm maturing and understanding that it is impossible to fight something (maybe possible but it takes many years for something that works or that this sale)

 

 

 

 

¡we're screwed, admittedly¡

Then from there on there are several ways:

 

1 talking nonsense of how work a gel or anything (as is being done here).
2: raise money (or if you have Use it), and hire a biologist and do our hydrogel.

3: forget (in part) of the scars and move forward in life (or living it), and take more viable and possible goals (such as material goods), and try to be happy and always realize that 'no other person that is worse than me '

but never do what you are doing right now ... sitting in a chair doing nothing ... I did and it's horrible, some say will repent not having driven in life.


Scars are like diseases, destroy the lives of people...

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 10:03 PM

Hire a biologist...??? 

 

I will become a biologist biggrin.png

 

Stay in tune also for my update for iodine:)

 

I will contact some students of the biology faculty.

 

Btw we have 2 more likers:)


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:18 PM

FDA wont approve this anyway.

 

And btw,maldition,there is a lot of things that can be done for the scars.

A lot.


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:27 AM

Just thought I'd give you guys another reality check. So here's a plastic surgeon explaining the misinformed hype surrounding the media's coverage of the DEEP FX laser for burn scars. The post is from 2009(frightening or perhaps sobering to realize how little we've come since then!) but for me the key line here is "if something revolutionary for burn scars was developed it would be Nobel Prize worthy not Today Show worthy." The actual stakes of this hydrogel are HUGE, so I think if it worked we would have heard about it. Can you imagine that it would mean every surgery performed would result in a scarless surgery? Not to mention the cosmetic benefits. It would be like another stage in human evolution! I want it to be true, I really do, but frankly I don't think we're even close to this type of skin regeneration. Maybe 50-60 years from now.  If you look at all the hype around regenerating organs through stem cells --I mean that is a field not even in its infancy frankly. They don't regenerate anything, they just create these scaffolds right now. Like they print out something in the shape of a kidney, but it's not a kidney. The science to reproduce that is somewhere in the far, far future. 

http://www.lovethatf...miracle-or-not/



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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:37 AM

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3371884/

 

3rd degree burn. No scar! Egg Yolk Oil l!!!!

 

Who's with me? I'm trying to find out how to extract the oil from the eggs properly. If we can solve that, and it's simple enough to do at home after purchasing some eggs at the market. If it works like claimed. Some of us brave enough to cut out or dremel away our scars will finally be done with this nightmare of living with scars :)



http://link.springer...02660569#page-1

 

Sadly it's not easy. Warren M's method is here.

 

Ok so now we have to find it somehow. A legit source. I know what it really looks like. We must beware now of anyone claiming the ability to make or sell it. Damn it!!! Why is nothing easy!!!! I know this works, soon so will many of you, I know it's sold under the name OLEOVA by a comapnay in india, but I dont think they sell it to just anyone.



http://www.freepaten...om/4219585.html

 

Not sure if this way will work. Saw a youtube video of with them frying yolks to obtain the oil but it looked like bullshit to me. container being sterile will be important. A glass vial of some sort.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:00 AM

Hydrogel= scam.

 

Most of the scientific things that you hear from media are scams.

There are some true independent researchers.

 

I lost completely confidence in this scam.

Those stuff get attention,so that the public will believe

that scientists work for the future and so on and to serve humanity.

 

How then science has become now our enemy instead of our friend.

 

We are going really backwards on health.Cancer rises,heavy metals contamination ,everything gets fucked up.

Everything.Big pharma claims cure,but its just a narginaly effective treatment with side effects.

 

Every ailment,is treated like there is something wrong with the chemical construction of the body and its hormones.

Man really fuck this.Dont believe in this.

 

Do your own research by reading true scientists like Robert O Becker(who has managed to regrow thumb with silver iontophoresis).

Check his book ,the body electric.

Please make a difference to this world and dont believe in hydrogel.

 

Not only that but this scam put a barrier to us,when its claiming complete regeneration.

Can you really see it.We became again passive about something that ''doesnt get funding''/.

How come it cant get funding this stuff ,if its real.I mean the media were shouting back then about hydrogel.

 

Everything is an illusion in this system.Nobody will care for our scars.

Nobody of them will care for our health.We are alone and together at the same time to this.

But just we,the simple people.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:15 AM

Soon you'll understand what I'm and Maldition saying, wasting your life on hydrogel for what? all you will get at the end of a day is hydrogel's magical disappearance.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:00 PM

I hate this science is to blame for this or that. Science is not to blame for anything. That is like saying a nautical map is to blame for objectively proving the world is not flat. It is the statement of someone ignorant, very ignorant.

All a scientific method is, is a 'controlled' scientific method written on paper that proves something that can be tested again and again. It cares for nothing, it doesn't care for bias, all it is, is reality, it makes things tangible facts.

A scientific method cannot be a scam. It is something proven in a controlled environment. A scam has no controlled environment and is something made up in the mind by a 'human' to play on the needs and prejudices of another human. A scam has nothing tangible. scientific method cannot be political. If it is its politically biased it is NOT scientific. If a method is biased then by default it is NOT scientific. A scientific method has no feelings coming from a human perspective inside the human fishbowl. It just objectively proves something in a method that can be tested again and again. A scientific method has no emotions. It couldn't give a fuck for an anecdote on the net. A scientific method just proves something on paper using a testable method. And using reason. A scientific method by its nature is objective and therefor independent. If it is not objective and therefor not independent it is not a scientific method. A scientific method does not delay things.

Have words, put together that form a method written on paper, ever came to life got up removed themselves from a page, then dressed themselves as humans put on some alphabetic fancy dress letter outfit, then deliberately drove a bus in first gear from A to B, delaying all the passengers? Have words. put together that form a method written on paper, ever came to life got up removed themselves from a page, then dressed themselves as humans and then put on some fancy dress letter outfit and joined a political rally? The answer is no.

What you are pissed off about is a perception of something a scientific method couldn't give a fuck about. And that is people in your perception not a scientific method written down on a page, Where people delay something, use the name of science; were people dress themselves up in fancy dress and say sell penis pills using testimonials. But this is not scientific method.

 

 

Hydrogel= scam.

 

Most of the scientific things that you hear from media are scams.

There are some true independent researchers.

 

I lost completely confidence in this scam.

Those stuff get attention,so that the public will believe

that scientists work for the future and so on and to serve humanity.

 

How then science has become now our enemy instead of our friend.

 

We are going really backwards on health.Cancer rises,heavy metals contamination ,everything gets fucked up.

Everything.Big pharma claims cure,but its just a narginaly effective treatment with side effects.

 

Every ailment,is treated like there is something wrong with the chemical construction of the body and its hormones.

Man really fuck this.Dont believe in this.

 

Do your own research by reading true scientists like Robert O Becker(who has managed to regrow thumb with silver iontophoresis).

Check his book ,the body electric.

Please make a difference to this world and dont believe in hydrogel.

 

Not only that but this scam put a barrier to us,when its claiming complete regeneration.

Can you really see it.We became again passive about something that ''doesnt get funding''/.

How come it cant get funding this stuff ,if its real.I mean the media were shouting back then about hydrogel.

 

Everything is an illusion in this system.Nobody will care for our scars.

Nobody of them will care for our health.We are alone and together at the same time to this.

But just we,the simple people.



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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:19 PM

What the hell seabs.Are you nuts?

 

ou forget about fundamental things .You even deny emotions and feelings.

What is wrong with you? Regeneration has likely to do with electric current from nervous system.

Feelings and emotions can alter everything in your body electrically.They mean a LOT.

Science is not like i am doing A and i am expecting B.There are so many parameters,

We need feeling and emotions to regenerate. We are not just a fucking chemical construction--->GET THIS

 

It is people like you ,that  are ignorant about fundamental things and find

the truth in science.Their holy grail there.Its your new religion dude,and you will continue to be fucked up

if you let it on you,like you do now,spreading the same words 1000 times like an amateur in life.

 

Nobody knows the fundamentals of regeneration.Nobody.----->Get this

Not the scientist,no one.We are being enslaved from this type of thinking.

Nobody knows what is the force behind salamanders that can regrow their whole limb--->Get this

 

All we know it is this healing force that comes from somewhere.We can see it in nature.

We can see it in us.This force can reverse damage,bring life to tissues again,regrow tissue.

We fucked everything when we sold our interest to health , to  others.

 

Please stop using the word science again.You abuse it  with your little preaching.

There are so many people from the past and so many things in nature ,that show the way in healing.

But,no,we dont care about them,we just find our holy grail in hydrogel,based on science as a religion.

 

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT HYDROGEL HAS WORKED IN MICE.

YOU CANT SAY THERE IS PROOF WHEN YOU HAVE JUST SEEN 8 PHOTOS OF 

MICE.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:35 PM

Here is another interesting discovery from Johns Hopkins Unviersity, it's a new screening method for pancreatic cancer (it could be used for ovarian and lung cancer too), it was made by a 16 years old teenager, he claims the new method is 400 times more sensitive, 160 times faster, 20000 times less expensive than standard crappy screening method that is used today in hospitals and it has 90% accuracy (that means false positives and false negatives in diagnostics are rare):

Pancreatic cancer is the deadliest of all cancers (5 year survival rate is just 5.5%) because it cannot be detected before it is too late, so our 'modern medicine' is so extremely crappy that is beyond comprehension, now with this new screening method pancreatic, ovarian and lung cancer could be detected in the eariest stages and realitvely easily cured (at least I hope so) , so scar free healing and complete regeneration over 3rd degree burns and this new screening method for panceratic, lung and ovarian cancers are two really significant breakthroughs in medicine made by JHU (at least I hope so) and both are basically very simple things. smile.png


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:38 PM

LOL, I'm literally psml here Panos. This is a ridiculous response.

 

Where have I said science is a religion?.

 

I have stated science is reality outside of the human fishbowl, it proves something tangible in a controlled environment. It can be tested again and again.

 

I stated science denies human emotion (hurt feelings), because human emotion is biased. SCIENCE IS NOT BIASED. If it is biased it is then not a scientific method.

 

You need emotions to manipulate and to socialise. You do not need emotions in a scientific environment.

 

BTW the paper is backed up by a ton of other papers, it has proven complete regeneration, And the method is noted in a paper.

 

I laugh at how someone who promotes 'testimonials' by anonymous individuals on the net can criticise a controlled scientific method that proves something in reality.

 

 

What the hell seabs.Are you nuts?

 

You forget about fundamental things .You even deny emotions and feelings.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Regeneration has likely to do with electric current from nervous system.

Feelings and emotions can alter everything in your body electrically.They mean a LOT.

Science is not like i am doing A and i am expecting B.There are so many parameters,

We need feeling and emotions to regenerate. We are not just a fucking chemical construction--->GET THIS

 

It is people like you ,that  are ignorant about fundamental things and find

the truth in science.Their holy grail there.Its your new religion dude,and you will continue to be fucked up

if you let it on you,like you do now,spreading the same words 1000 times like an amateur in life.

 

Nobody knows the fundamentals of regeneration.Nobody.----->Get this

Not the scientist,no one.We are being enslaved from this type of thinking.

Nobody knows what is the force behind salamanders that can regrow their whole limb--->Get this

 

All we know it is this healing force that comes from somewhere.We can see it in nature.

We can see it in us.This force can reverse damage,bring life to tissues again,regrow tissue.

We fucked everything when we sold our interest to health , to  others.

 

Please stop using the word science again.You abuse it  with your little preaching.

There are so many people from the past and so many things in nature ,that show the way in healing.

But,no,we dont care about them,we just find our holy grail in hydrogel,based on science as a religion.

 

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT HYDROGEL HAS WORKED IN MICE.

YOU CANT SAY THERE IS PROOF WHEN YOU HAVE JUST SEEN 8 PHOTOS OF 

MICE.



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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:24 PM

You are psyl.

But you havent contribute anything to this community.

You are just preaching about science.Please stop it.

Improvise.Do something yours.Dont repeat again and again words

that clearly dont reflect yourself.

Come up with your own ideas.

 

There is no bias in emotions.

What you think and feel,is what comes out as a reflection.

It can clearly have an impact to results.

 

And btw,as far the cancer detectio, it wasnt the jhu,it was just a kid thinking independently and outside of the box .


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:41 PM

Is this the flat earth society were we all have to forgo reality? Ignore all proven concepts and go with some non proven testimonial from Jim because Jim wrote a nice essay?

 

You are psyl.

But you havent contribute anything to this community.

You are just preaching about science.Please stop it.

Improvise.Do something yours.Dont repeat again and again words

that clearly dont reflect yourself.

Come up with your own ideas.

 

There is no bias in emotions.

What you think and feel,is what comes out as a reflection.

It can clearly have an impact to results.

 

And btw,as far the cancer detectio, it wasnt the jhu,it was just a kid thinking independently and outside of the box .


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:57 PM

Seabs my friend 

 

Let me help you.What blocks you from regenerating is the heavy metal toxicity

that blocks electric current in your body.This .

 

Stop the crap with proven or unproven shit.

 

You need to detox yourself from heavy metals(iodine internally) 

so the electric current will flow freely to the damaged areas 

and you need to breath once again as close as to earth

(this is what salamader does).

We made societies full of shit and toxicity,far away from what helps us truly heal.

 

 

Stop the preaching please.

 

Remember the salamnder,the electric current,the heavy metals and do your research man.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:04 PM

Ok Panos, Self Doctor. Do you have to bleed the patient?


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