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#4241 panos

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 03:09 PM

Its not distracting to ask why something promotes healing.

Yes yes i know results matter that can be repeated over and over 

and show factual evidence but still its not distracting at all to ask why 

somehting could show the way to scarless healing...

But you are right maybe we will never find this knowledge 

but thinking like this can expand the limits and even make new theories an treatments.



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Posted 20 March 2013 - 03:32 PM

Its not distracting to ask why something promotes healing.

Yes yes i know results matter that can be repeated over and over 

and show factual evidence but still its not distracting at all to ask why 

somehting could show the way to scarless healing...

But you are right maybe we will never find this knowledge 

but thinking like this can expand the limits and even make new theories an treatments.

Anything is distracting if it is not described in the process that got the result. If you got hit by a lightning, would you discuss your grand mothers role in that result?   

Facts, when the gel is eaten by a neutrophil cells are created, fact. When a cell is created, no fibrosis can appear in its place a fact.

This hydrogel was eaten by the neutrophils in 7 to 10 days, before 14days and 21days a key and crtical period, as if a wound has not reepithilized before 21 days generally a scar forms. On 21days the wound had produced complete regeneration appendages from a 3rd degree burn, the control had not. What has any external theory got to do with that result?


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#4243 panos

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 03:50 PM

Its funny how you keep on talking about the philosophy of science

but still you completely neglect when i am asking myself ''why would this work'',which 

is basically essential for any philosophical statement.

You still contradict yourself.Again your example is poor since it has nothing to do with the lightning

hitting the person...



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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:10 PM

Its funny how you keep on talking about the philosophy of science

but still you completely neglect when i am asking myself ''why would this work'',which 

is basically essential for any philosophical statement.

You still contradict yourself.Again your example is poor since it has nothing to do with the lightning

hitting the person...

I was pointing out a logical fallacy. eg. If you got struck by lightening, would you discuss or debate your theory of your grandmothers role in the process?

A controlled scientific method does not care about any philosophical statement, it just produces results.

I have neglected nothing, and I have not contradicted myself, I have stuck to what is cited in the paper.


Edited by seabs135, 20 March 2013 - 04:11 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:07 PM

seabs135 and panos you need to chill, you are both paranoid about this hydrogel thing, the truth is we don't know much about it and you already put too much energy and time in to it, this thing might not even be successful on humans we don't know that yet...



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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:09 PM

DamnLife mean and seabs dont offend each other ,,we dont fight dont worry..

The study is there,and if it works then the information are there  .

I dont like to passively wait for any fda approved further studies on mammals and funding..

I am angry cause i dont have the knowledge to take the patent and turn it into something practical...

Also the excision part of the study is a bit harsh.Maybe if we could make it through other ways (still invasive but not that harsh)

then it would be the best treatment.



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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:33 PM

panos we'll have to wait wether we like it or not, in the meantime we can help hydrogel fb page to get more likes as possible and share it.

We can do nothing else just wait and help hydrogel to get known to the people who really need it smile.png


Edited by DamnLife, 21 March 2013 - 05:34 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:34 PM

@Daned life, in reason, a peer reviewed scientific paper backed up by other scientific papers is the factual truth. BTW I do not think Panos was being personal to me, I cetainly wasn't to him, the properties I stuck to are not mine or his, they belong to the evidence found in scientifc papers..


Edited by seabs135, 21 March 2013 - 07:39 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:54 PM

when this shit comes out i'm just going to douse myself with kerosene, set myself on fire,  and then jump into a bathtub full of hydrogel and I'll emerge a few days later, rejuvenated with the soft glowing skin of a newborn baby! CAN'T WAIT!!!!



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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:27 AM

when this shit comes out i'm just going to douse myself with kerosene, set myself on fire,  and then jump into a bathtub full of hydrogel and I'll emerge a few days later, rejuvenated with the soft glowing skin of a newborn baby! CAN'T WAIT!!!!

Lol smile.png You're so cynical, this hydrogel is hopefully supposed to work only if burned skin is completely and totally surgically removed and then you apply the hydrogel in the wound and then you get newly formed and completely regenerated scar free skin few weeks later with all skin appendages.
BTW if you would like to be rejuvenated in the future then I advise you to read something about researches related to telomeres and telomerase enzyme, Hayflick limit, sirtuin enzymes (SIRT1 to SIRT7), caloric restriction, accumulation of DNA and cellural errors, those are known to be some of the key mechanisms of aging.
Michio Kaku: How to Reverse Aging
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=DV3XjqW_xgU
Michio Kaku: Genetics: The Key to Immortality?
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=QsHuGQieyjY


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Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:49 PM

see y'al again in 2020



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Posted 26 March 2013 - 06:21 AM

see y'al again in 2020

 
I don't think you need wait to 2020 to see the therapy

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:08 AM

see y'al again in 2020

 
I don't think you need wait to 2020 to see the therapy

From your mouth to God's ears my friend! Allah ho Akbar!!!  



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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:10 PM

 

see y'al again in 2020

 
I don't think you need wait to 2020 to see the therapy

From your mouth to God's ears my friend! Allah ho Akbar!!!  

 

Sorry, but what the fuck is this? Are you having a laugh?

 

Seriously, keep on topic or get out. This isn't a fucking game.



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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:19 PM

 

 

see y'al again in 2020

 
I don't think you need wait to 2020 to see the therapy

From your mouth to God's ears my friend! Allah ho Akbar!!!  

 

Sorry, but what the fuck is this? Are you having a laugh?

 

Seriously, keep on topic or get out. This isn't a fucking game.

For real posts like this are nonsense...

Back on topic what in the hell is hydrogel butt injections? and how it is different from the hydrogel we are talking about?



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Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:48 PM

is anyone on here a liker of the facebook page?
id like to start discussions on there rather than here. What do you all think? I can also add administrators

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:51 PM

is anyone on here a liker of the facebook page?
id like to start discussions on there rather than here. What do you all think? I can also add administrators

 

add seabs for moderator.I am a liker but profile is almost fake ,i have deleted the original long time now.



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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:34 PM

is anyone on here a liker of the facebook page?
id like to start discussions on there rather than here. What do you all think? I can also add administrators

 

add seabs for moderator.I am a liker but profile is almost fake ,i have deleted the original long time now.

I also have an annonymous facebook with a fake profile, but I dont use it.  I prefer twitter but I also dont use that. But I can see a point to facebook for networking.

 

It would be great though if this could be discussed factually elsewhere.


Edited by seabs135, 26 March 2013 - 09:44 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:57 PM


is anyone on here a liker of the facebook page?
id like to start discussions on there rather than here. What do you all think? I can also add administrators

 
add seabs for moderator.I am a liker but profile is almost fake ,i have deleted the original long time now.
I also have an annonymous facebook with a fake profile, but I dont use it.  I prefer twitter but I also dont use that. But I can see a point to facebook for networking.
 
It would be great though if this could be discussed factually elsewhere.

same here. if you give me your profile names i should be able to add you

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:08 AM

mine is : petros sooth ...but first i need to talk with seabs to organize the talking...i have to keep any

personal belief about this to zero and just point out the study facts..


Edited by panos, 27 March 2013 - 12:08 AM.





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