Scarless Healing

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I think scarfree healing is not appliable to us somehow? Only 3rd degree burn victim would brnefit from it5

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As I am seeing it, even if there is a way to regenerate skin completely doctors would just not implement it in their standard medical procedure.

Would a doctor risk getting sued by cutting out your whole face and then applying the "scarfree healing" method? What happens if your face did not heal and rather scar even more? Doctors would go for the tried and tested method rather than something else that may work but not replicate success a 100% or 99% of the time.

As an example, I read from many blogs that drinking carrot juice solely was able to cure a stage IV cancer patient. There are scientific journals which states that the antioxidants in carrot are effective in destroying cancer cells. But, no doctor is going to say the remedy for cancer is drinking carrot juice. They would recommend going for chemotherapy or other traditional treatments to kill the cancer cells as they cannot guarantee that just by drinking juice you would be cancer-free. Same as scars, they would recommend fraxel /subcision / needling but they would not recommend "scarfree healing" as they cannot risk being sued or have it not work.

I think you are wrong there my friend, it be the same as laser u sign a wavyer of what can happen and the risks and us people who are beaten down so much will do it anyway

im gunna post pone my laser and stuff for another 3 months and getting

Electric Auto Micro Needle Derma Stamp hopefully that makes new cells and then burns it off and make even more collgen Edited by imad

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As I am seeing it, even if there is a way to regenerate skin completely doctors would just not implement it in their standard medical procedure.

Would a doctor risk getting sued by cutting out your whole face and then applying the "scarfree healing" method? What happens if your face did not heal and rather scar even more? Doctors would go for the tried and tested method rather than something else that may work but not replicate success a 100% or 99% of the time.

As an example, I read from many blogs that drinking carrot juice solely was able to cure a stage IV cancer patient. There are scientific journals which states that the antioxidants in carrot are effective in destroying cancer cells. But, no doctor is going to say the remedy for cancer is drinking carrot juice. They would recommend going for chemotherapy or other traditional treatments to kill the cancer cells as they cannot guarantee that just by drinking juice you would be cancer-free. Same as scars, they would recommend fraxel /subcision / needling but they would not recommend "scarfree healing" as they cannot risk being sued or have it not work.

Well, I don't think the carrot juice analogy is very apt. For one, there are a lot of conflicting studies on its use for cancer and for another a word like "effective" can mean many different things. How many cancer cells does a treatment need to be destroyed to be considered effective? Most of the time it only has to out perform a control (which is why so much of laser treatment for scarring is wrought with subjective issues of analysis) or merely have some effect (i.e. patient had 20% less cancer cells than patient B). With complete regeneration of skin it's either you did get complete regeneration or you didn't.

Now, in terms of doctors doing the treatment, I agree with the other poster who made the comment about waivers. Patients go through much more medically dangerous procedures than excisions day in and day out. Would some risk be assumed? Absolutely, but that comes with the role of being a doctor and waivers would be there to protect you against most unfavorable outcomes.

In a more realistic/cynical sense...doctors would do it because they could make a lot of money. I mean, a LOT of money. There would literally be no end to the streams of patients that would be fully willing to waive their right to sue in order to fulfill the dream of perfectly regenerated skin. This is yet another reason doctors would never tell someone with cancer, "Go home and drink a bunch of carrot juice." It sounds harsh, but in addition to the potential risks of recommending a controversial treatment there would be no market for such a treatment. Complete regeneration of skin (or heart tissue, muscle tissue etc.) would be a practically limitless market that would never be fully "cured" (since I could get a new scar at any time and need the treatment again).

If it works and gets approved for use, it wouldn't be long before dermatologists were using the method.

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As I am seeing it, even if there is a way to regenerate skin completely doctors would just not implement it in their standard medical procedure.

Would a doctor risk getting sued by cutting out your whole face and then applying the "scarfree healing" method? What happens if your face did not heal and rather scar even more? Doctors would go for the tried and tested method rather than something else that may work but not replicate success a 100% or 99% of the time.

As an example, I read from many blogs that drinking carrot juice solely was able to cure a stage IV cancer patient. There are scientific journals which states that the antioxidants in carrot are effective in destroying cancer cells. But, no doctor is going to say the remedy for cancer is drinking carrot juice. They would recommend going for chemotherapy or other traditional treatments to kill the cancer cells as they cannot guarantee that just by drinking juice you would be cancer-free. Same as scars, they would recommend fraxel /subcision / needling but they would not recommend "scarfree healing" as they cannot risk being sued or have it not work.

Well, I don't think the carrot juice analogy is very apt. For one, there are a lot of conflicting studies on its use for cancer and for another a word like "effective" can mean many different things. How many cancer cells does a treatment need to be destroyed to be considered effective? Most of the time it only has to out perform a control (which is why so much of laser treatment for scarring is wrought with subjective issues of analysis) or merely have some effect (i.e. patient had 20% less cancer cells than patient B). With complete regeneration of skin it's either you did get complete regeneration or you didn't.

Now, in terms of doctors doing the treatment, I agree with the other poster who made the comment about waivers. Patients go through much more medically dangerous procedures than excisions day in and day out. Would some risk be assumed? Absolutely, but that comes with the role of being a doctor and waivers would be there to protect you against most unfavorable outcomes.

In a more realistic/cynical sense...doctors would do it because they could make a lot of money. I mean, a LOT of money. There would literally be no end to the streams of patients that would be fully willing to waive their right to sue in order to fulfill the dream of perfectly regenerated skin. This is yet another reason doctors would never tell someone with cancer, "Go home and drink a bunch of carrot juice." It sounds harsh, but in addition to the potential risks of recommending a controversial treatment there would be no market for such a treatment. Complete regeneration of skin (or heart tissue, muscle tissue etc.) would be a practically limitless market that would never be fully "cured" (since I could get a new scar at any time and need the treatment again).

If it works and gets approved for use, it wouldn't be long before dermatologists were using the method.

Any updates?Golfpanther?thanks

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Sharon gerecht :

1. From JHU (president award) is given to her.. additional 250.000 $

2. New investor named as kent gordon investment

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i wanna ask all your opinion about my scar which is in my profile picture.. if you see people with skinn issues like me, is it horrible? Thx guys youre the best

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hi ,

I got over the Great-Fire-Wall and find there. I have some confidence when I read this topic somehow---a topic lasts 7 years with more than 5000 reply,from recell to artificial intelligence,someone leave and someone stay.We all suffers despair,but the discussion(dream,whatever) goes on,And it is the goddamn HOPE.

To be honest,I accept this problem maybe not solved in 20 years, or the solution comes to late for me , but our insist shows the necessary to solve it.Someone have to take this part ,they just have to,

Thx for everyone.

BTW,anyone saw the reply,新年快乐。

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hi ,

I got over the Great-Fire-Wall and find there. I have some confidence when I read this topic somehow---a topic lasts 7 years with more than 5000 reply,from recell to artificial intelligence,someone leave and someone stay.We all suffers despair,but the discussion(dream,whatever) goes on,And it is the goddamn HOPE.

To be honest,I accept this problem maybe not solved in 20 years, or the solution comes to late for me , but our insist shows the necessary to solve it.Someone have to take this part ,they just have to,

Thx for everyone.

BTW,anyone saw the reply,新年快乐。

I guarantee you that it won't be 20 years long,新年快乐。

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There's been a bit of news about collagen from Tilapia fish accelerating wound healing lately. Thought I'd just share a link as I am often prone to doing:

http://www.zmescience.com/science/biology/tilapia-collagen-18022015/

There was actually a study done on it and they demonstrate vastly improved wound healing over the control. They chose marine-based collagen because it doesn't have the possibility of transferring mammalian diseases.

They have a rival company that is using soybean based protein for improved wound healing that is a few years ahead in research. But, according to the article, they are both going to attempt FDA approval soon.

This seems like it would be a great thing to combine with skin procedures, such as needling, dermarolling or laser.

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There's been a bit of news about collagen from Tilapia fish accelerating wound healing lately. Thought I'd just share a link as I am often prone to doing:

http://www.zmescience.com/science/biology/tilapia-collagen-18022015/

There was actually a study done on it and they demonstrate vastly improved wound healing over the control. They chose marine-based collagen because it doesn't have the possibility of transferring mammalian diseases.

They have a rival company that is using soybean based protein for improved wound healing that is a few years ahead in research. But, according to the article, they are both going to attempt FDA approval soon.

This seems like it would be a great thing to combine with skin procedures, such as needling, dermarolling or laser.

Collagen may not be a good candidate

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What makes you say that? And are you referring specifically to complete regeneration or improved wound healing?

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Are the gerecht lab actually still aiming for scar free healing?

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Are the gerecht lab actually still aiming for scar free healing?

doubt that. No publication on wound healing on their website recently

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I dont really believe any so called injection treatment.. it just seems so fake

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jesus why do I bother? Well clearly cause I too have the same sort of delusional yeah I said delusional any of this is going anywhere. Dudes for our degree of scars, rudy 1986 I have scarring like you, we need way more than bloody lasers. LASERS do not do shit. Trust me, I have NEVER seen lasers do anything other than temporary inflammation which makes it look like they did something and then wham results are gone in like a month and you're back to ground-zero.

Rudy I think you could get maybe some improvement from fillers. Have you looked into either subcision or dermal fillers? Sure you'll have to do it again in 6 months but just try it. See what happens. There's no harm and if anything it causes native collagen stimulation so you might a little permanent improvement too.

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Rez77 thx for your reccommendation.. but my scars is really far from your case man.. it is really really really severe

You can still alive when smiling i guess.. i cant.. everyone sees me like a horrible monster

Anyway i will try filler like you said

Hope i will get improvement even slightly

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Hi guys! What is the main idea of this thread? I can hardly read this thread cause i'm not a native. It's really hard to me...

If i get you right, the key idea is to cut out a scar and apply "scar healing" method. Then that will heal without scarring like normal tissue. Did i get you right? It sounds awesome. Can you tell me more in a nutshell please?

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Okay i summarize about this thread..

Beginninh in 2007(the first 100 page in this thread is about a hope about decorin as the hope of our scar free healing

Then 100++ page of this thread is discussing about hydrogel (a method just like what you just said as our new hope about scar free healing) and about our attempts to make contact with hydrogel researcher and hoping it gets funded

Thr 200++ page of this thread is where we got info that hydrogel gets funded by a company known as Gemstone therapeutics

(You can see here : www.gem-bio.com)

about hydrogel:

1. It is able to regenerate mice skin injured from 3rd degree burn as a new hair follicle and sebaceous glands are regenerated as proof

2. Hydrogel is currently being trialed in pigs with "promising" as their current result. This trial is planned to be finalized in 2015

3. Hydrogel is planned to enter human trials in mid to late 2016

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Thanks a lot, rudy. Very interesting info. I followed this topic.

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man oh man if, us people can get hydrogel to fix 90% of the scaring id be more then happy

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Same here... 90 is an awesome number. But i think by that time i'll get at least 70% improvement with self-subcision, self-dermaneedling, and other stuff that i do now. I got here from a Russian forum and we see some great improvements with that treatments.

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