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Posted 02 June 2007 - 06:25 PM

Here is a link I found with needling studies:

http://www.microneed...nical_data.html

Can anyone recommend the best needling device and where it can be purchased?
I noticed there are different length needles, medical grade is around 1-5 mm

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Posted 02 June 2007 - 10:40 PM

QUOTE(Cubsfan @ Jun 2 2007, 06:25 PM) View Post
Here is a link I found with needling studies:

http://www.microneed...nical_data.html

Can anyone recommend the best needling device and where it can be purchased?
I noticed there are different length needles, medical grade is around 1-5 mm



Interesting. I noticed that one of the studies said that even though they used a 1.5mm needle, that no new collagen fiber was produced beyond the .5mm to .6mm, so a longer needle is not needed beyond that.

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Posted 02 June 2007 - 10:42 PM

Thanks cubsfan for the interesting article ... I've just bought a roller though i haven't received it yet im quite excited to use it smile.gif

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Posted 02 June 2007 - 11:11 PM

I don't think the needles in the personal home use ones are long enough to penetrate the scar tissues. I want to buy the 2mm one from that microneedle company , but they won't sell it to the average joes. arggghhh....so fustrating

to answer my own fustration, ebay sells it search: dermaroller

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Posted 03 June 2007 - 02:18 AM

QUOTE(Cubsfan @ Jun 2 2007, 11:11 PM) View Post
I don't think the needles in the personal home use ones are long enough to penetrate the scar tissues. I want to buy the 2mm one from that microneedle company , but they won't sell it to the average joes. arggghhh....so fustrating

to answer my own fustration, ebay sells it search: dermaroller

I don't understand wanting a needle that long. In the article you posted the doctors said they used a 1.5 mm needle in the study. They said that there was no new production of collagen beyond the .5 -.6mm mark in the sub dermal, and not even a 1.5 needle is needed. Am I missing something here?

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Posted 03 June 2007 - 03:06 AM

true true, I just bought a 1.5mm dermaroller but it can only penetrate 1mm-1.3mm at most. But in the study they were using a 1.5mm needle so in my thinking to get the results from the study I have to replicate the methodology. Just say .6mm is the max, then you'll need at least a .8mm needle to reach .6mm, but they don't sell a .8mm so the closest one is dermaroller's 1.5mm mf-8 on Ebay. Its coming from Thailand, hopefully I don't get scammed smile.gif...7 years ago I bought an Arsenal soccer Jersey from a guy in Thailand on Ebay....ohhhh bad mistake, you'd think I'd have learnt my lesson, but desperation does funny things to people.

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Posted 03 June 2007 - 10:01 AM

How well do you guys think a dermaroller would work on slightly raised (i.e. keliod like) scars on my back? obviously i'm not to bothered about down time on my back so i could do it quite aggressively, also do you think the standard 6 months after roaccutane is suitable?

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Posted 03 June 2007 - 11:34 AM

That is interesting article especially that collagen induction therapy comparison that picture is amazing improvement if that is after 1 treatment!!!

This may be useful for you. I ve had 2 x treatment done by derm with the MS4 which is the 1 they used in the studies (1.5mm)

The 1s for home use are more designed to help induce topicals such as copper peptides, vit c and vit a. I would advice doing the others such as ms4 professionally they all require topical anaesthetization


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Posted 03 June 2007 - 06:21 PM

Cubsfan,
I bought the 1.5mm roller from Thailand too. It took about 3 weeks to get here, but came in perfect condition.
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Posted 04 June 2007 - 06:56 AM

Hi subsfan, the one i've bought is from Novaderm Skin & Scalp Roller - needle length 0.75mm, gauge 0.25mm from ebay. What search key did you use as I couldn't find the one from thailand at ebay .... Thanks in advance smile.gif


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Cubsfan,
I bought the 1.5mm roller from Thailand too. It took about 3 weeks to get here, but came in perfect condition.
Robin



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Posted 04 June 2007 - 02:41 PM

when I bought the 1.5mm one, it was from ebay canada from a seller named funked (I think).
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Posted 04 June 2007 - 03:48 PM

Got it from here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/...VQQcmdZViewItem

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Posted 04 June 2007 - 08:54 PM

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$385.00-WOW! Anybody eles buy this already? Does it work?

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Posted 04 June 2007 - 09:36 PM

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$385.00-WOW! Anybody eles buy this already? Does it work?


the same seller sells a generic one for 1/4 of the price , but i'm not going to risk a cheaper version.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 09:26 PM

I had a CIT done but under a professional doctor yesterday since my roller hasn't come yet and we have a long holiday here in our country. What she did is to first sand paper my face lightly and then needle my scar using a nokor needle with different gauges depending how deep is my scar. After wards she put a spanish peel (she said its a TCA) on my face. Currently i have scabs on my face for those with deep scars while those shallow once is only pink.


When my roller comes i'll just self needle i think after two months smile.gif

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$385.00-WOW! Anybody eles buy this already? Does it work?


the same seller sells a generic one for 1/4 of the price , but i'm not going to risk a cheaper version.