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Hey, I don't know if you guys are already aware of it or not, but if not with the way this thread has been heading, I urge you to read up or reread about the paleo diet (the one Dan Kern even tried). Its basis of course is to just eat what hunter-gatherers have been eating for the previous 2 million years prior to the agricultural revolution. What our species evolved on. This means meat (preferably lean meats and grass-fed/free range), seafood, a ton of vegetables, fruits, and some nuts. No dairy, no grains, no sugars, no processed foods.

I've been doing this for four weeks now, my skin hasn't really noticeably improved yet. However, I also just stopped taking antibiotics as well when I started the diet so that could have flared things up alone and significant results aren't really expected until after a month since skin takes that long to cycle. However, I'm definitely feeling much better in terms of mood and its not such a rollercoaster of constantly being hungry as when I consumed a lot of grains prior. I also recently in the past few days started amping up the omega-3 supplementation.

Thanks :)

I've followed that paleo diet and to me it makes sense, except that it's just a fancy way of saying "eat right" from the things we know to do today. Our bodies have adapted a bit from long time ago, but the principles are definitely the same. Eat whole foods, don't eat processed foods, and be sure you eat lots of veggies, fruits, water, oats, wheat, grains, etc =)

But when I read about what each aspect does in the big picture, backed my modern day scientific studies, it works much better in fine tuning even the older paleo diet. :dance:

Fish oil is definitely a part of it, since sea food leads to omega 3's, but in our world since we may not get enough from eating whole foods, this supplementation does about the same, minus the bad effects from fish (mercury etc).

And about your situation, I am sure that it's happening because you stopped the antibiotics, and yes, after a month or so, you'll see a difference, or should feel a difference. Because imagine this, for the past xx years we've been eating bad or normal... but to reverse the gunk, a month is almost nothing in reversing the effects all the past has done to us.

So I really do hope your diet, and omega 3 help. Also I've noticed exercise has done drastic wonders too!

Thanks for the encouragement, although the antibiotics initially helped a little, I was naive and regret them now. Yeah, I totally agree, can't really expect to undo years of bad eating and expect instant results.

One of the main principals of the paleo is to not eat grains (even whole grains) at all though. Thats what seems to drastically differ the most from most modern healthy diets. I think the jury is still out on this, but the more I read, the more it seems that our heavy reliance on grains and their high glycemic loads could be related to countless diseases today (or maybe I'm brainwashed by the paleo people!). Personally for me I just feel a lot better since I've started replacing grains with more protein and veggies. I think I'm going to stick out the paleo at least another month, but long term I'll probably also use it as a basis and not be as strict.

Regardless I'm still probably at greater fault in that I haven't got my ass in gear and done enough exercise.

Yeah don't worry. Let me tell you something I found about grains that was really interesting, well carbs in general. Bad carbs (processed carbs) turn to sugar very fast, which relates to getting insulin spikes. What that translates to is an increase in sebum production. Hence people saying don't eat refined foods, because they relate to sebum production. Good carbs don't do this since it slowly digests etc. But yeah, as long as you can stay with fresh fruits veggies and proteins you should be fine. Just remember to be balanced since our body needs these unprocessed carbs as well. But as long as you're eating healthy, and nothing processed or saturated fat, you'll be fine :).

Try exercising, reason being is it relates to hormones. It reduces testosterone levels which relate to guess what, sebum production. Regulating testosterone through cardio reduces sebum production as it goes hand in hand.

So you can pretty much see that pattern, everything we do or talk about is to reduce sebum production by being balanced. When things are out of balance, I guess we release too much sebum. Then the fish oil also reduces it, and makes it less thicker and more fluid which won't clog pores :) (yay!!)

but it seems that since you were on antibiotics, you have mild to moderate acne, if not worse? Is this true? tell me more about it?

Thanks for the info, I only knew exercise would be directly good in relation to acne in that it increases blood circulation. I didn't even realize that it helps regulate testosterone, but that seems pretty believable. I've pretty much already concluded/assumed that my hormones are a little bit out of whack in that my testosterone converts too much DHT and have been searching for solutions, so that's a pretty simple one to help! The more I learn stuff here, the more I upset I get with derms in general that they really don't explain these basics at the start; I mean they have to know this shit, it has to be basic to them.

They all just put us on drugs or topicals. It's just a big business and I'm sick of it. There IS a cure, and the cure is not profitable, hence it's not as mainstream as people want.

I want to do something about this and make my own website or something and pretty much sum up all this, in terms of exactly what to do for external and internal purposes to stop this nonsense for mild to moderate acne sufferers. Because the dan kern regimen itself isn't enough to stop future acne, it just treats existing ones (and not too good :( )

My skin is so non oily right now that I feel like I am on accutane, it's literally weird. I don't even have excess saliva anymore, I keep drinking water, and I already drink 10-16 glasses daily naturally. I don't even have excess oil on my body anymore, it's crystal clean and no oil slicks or anything nasty either, all from a few easy steps :)

derms and pretty much all doc's are a total joke. so insanely pathetic, compared to a good holistic/natural doc. i didnt know what i was missing. i wish i started out seeing my holistic instead of a derm, as well as for a few other health issues in the past..totally pathetic reg doctors are its so redic. if you havent already, find a good holistic doc in your area. you'll see what i mean, if you havent already

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but it seems that since you were on antibiotics, you have mild to moderate acne, if not worse? Is this true? tell me more about it?

Whoops, I missed your question. Yeah, I'm currently 26 male with probably moderate acne (about 10-15 inflamed pimples of varying degree, normally about five bad ones but another 10 or so in remission, but also a shitload of uninflamed comedones). My history:

age 14 - 20: mild acne, a few inflamed pimples. I don't remember it being that bad or maybe I just wasn't as conscious about it. I went to the derm once and I was on an antibiotic for a short while (don't remember which one).

age 20 -25: started getting worse to moderate acne finally to more comparable to what I have now.

age 25 (last summer): finally went to the derm (damn, I was stubborn!) Antibiotics: minocycline -> doxycyline; topicals: tried Retin-A, clindamicin, Benza-Clin. I improved a little bit, mainly less inflamation.

Then beginning January I started reading acne.org and tried B5 for almost a month and dropped the antibiotics mid Janurary. B5 helped some with oil and seemed to maintain the level I was at while on antibiotics. I realized B5 is just too crazy even if it actually would work. Been on the paleo diet + supplements since beginning of Feb. Topically, I've been experimenting briefly w/ ACV, zinc cream, and even raw doggin it without putting anything on my skin since I get irritated easily.

My acne has flared up a little since stopping the antibiotics and B5 especially a lot more around my lips more than ever; really annoying.

Current "regime":

Paleo diet

Supplements (maybe I should cut something out):

Multivitamin w/o iodine

Zinc (50 mg total counting the amount in the multi)

Pro-biotic twice the recommend serving

Saw Palmetto 320 mg (supposed to suppress testostorone conversion to DHT)

Omega-3 (just upped it to 2g EPA, 1g DHA)

Flaxoil and Flaxseed

B-Complex

Veggie Pills

Borage Oil

Evening Primrose

Topical:

BenzaClin spot treatment (I just ordered Clearogen, going to try that)

tried rubbing saw palmetto on face the past three days also for kicks (no irritation, so why not?!?)

Thanks!

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They all just put us on drugs or topicals. It's just a big business and I'm sick of it. There IS a cure, and the cure is not profitable, hence it's not as mainstream as people want.

I want to do something about this and make my own website or something and pretty much sum up all this, in terms of exactly what to do for external and internal purposes to stop this nonsense for mild to moderate acne sufferers. Because the dan kern regimen itself isn't enough to stop future acne, it just treats existing ones (and not too good :( )

My skin is so non oily right now that I feel like I am on accutane, it's literally weird. I don't even have excess saliva anymore, I keep drinking water, and I already drink 10-16 glasses daily naturally. I don't even have excess oil on my body anymore, it's crystal clean and no oil slicks or anything nasty either, all from a few easy steps :)

Hey go for it, the website, more power to the people. The problem is its so hard to find and sort out the good honest acne sites from one that are just disguised to try selling some shit product. I'm curious though on your exact current regime that's working for you if you wish to share!

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1:50! omg! That's amazingly off, there has got to be something to this. I've only been taking them 1:1 for two days now, but I just SO feel that we are on to something here! Everything makes sense. Everything else (nutritionally) I've tried, I've always felt like 'oh, what the heck, maybe it'll be a miracle' But this FEELS right. Historically, people have always gathered around bodies of water, out of necessity. Transportation, FOOD, cleaning, etc., etc. Our initial diets (as humans) consisted of much more fish, the animals we did hunt down, grazed naturally. Our starches/fruits/vegetables/grains were pretty much limited to their growing seasons. Some amount was able to be stored of course, but there was much more day-to-day variety, and of course nothing 'processed.' We don't live like this anymore and, well... here we are. I'm totally rambling :lol: I'm sure you guys know all this, it's just the more I think about it, the more it all makes sense.

you are dead on target.

i think we ate fish alot more then previously thought, we couldnt have relied on spearhunting and bowhunting, that is soooooo hard to do, ask any bowhunter.

and to get close enough to something to spear it???? even harder to do, but how hard is it to catch a fish, or even start your own fish pond, fuckin simple.

all you had to do was get a couple fish to mate with eachother and keep em in a pond so they can multiply and guess what you are creating your own food source that you can rely on for the rest of your life. A secure food source.


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.

#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.

#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.

#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.

#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.

#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.

#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.


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good news.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lipitor sales have earned pfizer an extra 1 billion per quarter since they raised the price of the drug.

thats 4 billion in the last year!!!!!

i thought every one would like to hear that :D total sarcasm of course.

oh yea, and my triaz cream that i used to use is just benzoyl peroxide, zinc lactate,and glycolic acid, but they charge me 160.00 for it.

but my insurance company pays for that. remember my motto-morality doesnt pay??????? this illustrates this concept beautifully.

you think the insurance and pharm companies are in kahootz?

because perhaps high drug prices are motivation to get health insurance because if you scare everyone into buying health insurance its much more profitable. cause then ill be paynig for nothing the months when i am healthy? but you should still have health coverage anyway, its just smart.


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.

#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.

#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.

#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.

#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.

#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.

#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.


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but it seems that since you were on antibiotics, you have mild to moderate acne, if not worse? Is this true? tell me more about it?

Whoops, I missed your question. Yeah, I'm currently 26 male with probably moderate acne (about 10-15 inflamed pimples of varying degree, normally about five bad ones but another 10 or so in remission, but also a shitload of uninflamed comedones). My history:

age 14 - 20: mild acne, a few inflamed pimples. I don't remember it being that bad or maybe I just wasn't as conscious about it. I went to the derm once and I was on an antibiotic for a short while (don't remember which one).

age 20 -25: started getting worse to moderate acne finally to more comparable to what I have now.

age 25 (last summer): finally went to the derm (damn, I was stubborn!) Antibiotics: minocycline -> doxycyline; topicals: tried Retin-A, clindamicin, Benza-Clin. I improved a little bit, mainly less inflamation.

Then beginning January I started reading acne.org and tried B5 for almost a month and dropped the antibiotics mid Janurary. B5 helped some with oil and seemed to maintain the level I was at while on antibiotics. I realized B5 is just too crazy even if it actually would work. Been on the paleo diet + supplements since beginning of Feb. Topically, I've been experimenting briefly w/ ACV, zinc cream, and even raw doggin it without putting anything on my skin since I get irritated easily.

My acne has flared up a little since stopping the antibiotics and B5 especially a lot more around my lips more than ever; really annoying.

Current "regime":

Paleo diet

Supplements (maybe I should cut something out):

Multivitamin w/o iodine

Zinc (50 mg total counting the amount in the multi)

Pro-biotic twice the recommend serving

Saw Palmetto 320 mg (supposed to suppress testostorone conversion to DHT)

Omega-3 (just upped it to 2g EPA, 1g DHA)

Flaxoil and Flaxseed

B-Complex

Veggie Pills

Borage Oil

Evening Primrose

Topical:

BenzaClin spot treatment (I just ordered Clearogen, going to try that)

tried rubbing saw palmetto on face the past three days also for kicks (no irritation, so why not?!?)

Thanks!

Thank you for writing all that out. I'm not too far from you age wise (21) although I know it's not as serious as yours. I can definitely tell that is a lot of multivitamins.

Be sure you know the RDA upper intake and lower intake tolerance level for each since they can harm you.

I will post my regimen here tomorrow in this thread for you, since I have a midterm tomorrow.


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Finally Clear! < Click link for regimen

People always think the key to fighting acne is to avoid foods, but in actually it's usually what they're NOT eating that's causing it to happen. It made no sense to start with omitting the small things that MAY cause acne for SOME people. Start with the basics of nutrition. You're a human, not an accumulation of minor problems from every person! Not everyone reacts to the same foods. Not everyone has issues with wheat and such foods. Start with the basics of good nutrition and THEN see what happens, omit foods once you feel something is not working, but don't base a diet off of what to avoid, that will make you malnourished and very depressed when you have nothing left to eat! It is true that some people have issues with some foods, but remember, try it for yourself first :)

Get to the root of the problem, because acne has a relentless and endless arsenal on the surface and it is sadistic.

Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group. Omega 3 fatty acids can also help to keep the production of androgens under control. Androgens are hormones that influence sebum production and are particularly active during adolescence, which is possibly why many teenagers suffer from acne. Androgen excess may provoke or aggravate acne by inducing seborrhea (sebum). In women, androgen disorders are frequently suspected when acne is accompanied by hirsutism or irregularities of the menstrual cycle. In men, however, acne may be the only sign of androgen excess.

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good news.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lipitor sales have earned pfizer an extra 1 billion per quarter since they raised the price of the drug.

thats 4 billion in the last year!!!!!

i thought every one would like to hear that :D total sarcasm of course.

oh yea, and my triaz cream that i used to use is just benzoyl peroxide, zinc lactate,and glycolic acid, but they charge me 160.00 for it.

but my insurance company pays for that. remember my motto-morality doesnt pay??????? this illustrates this concept beautifully.

you think the insurance and pharm companies are in kahootz?

because perhaps high drug prices are motivation to get health insurance because if you scare everyone into buying health insurance its much more profitable. cause then ill be paynig for nothing the months when i am healthy? but you should still have health coverage anyway, its just smart.

Wow that is amazing, the price of those drugs. Holy cow, prevention is really better than cure


Gone out of the country July 5th to August 5th

Finally Clear! < Click link for regimen

People always think the key to fighting acne is to avoid foods, but in actually it's usually what they're NOT eating that's causing it to happen. It made no sense to start with omitting the small things that MAY cause acne for SOME people. Start with the basics of nutrition. You're a human, not an accumulation of minor problems from every person! Not everyone reacts to the same foods. Not everyone has issues with wheat and such foods. Start with the basics of good nutrition and THEN see what happens, omit foods once you feel something is not working, but don't base a diet off of what to avoid, that will make you malnourished and very depressed when you have nothing left to eat! It is true that some people have issues with some foods, but remember, try it for yourself first :)

Get to the root of the problem, because acne has a relentless and endless arsenal on the surface and it is sadistic.

Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group. Omega 3 fatty acids can also help to keep the production of androgens under control. Androgens are hormones that influence sebum production and are particularly active during adolescence, which is possibly why many teenagers suffer from acne. Androgen excess may provoke or aggravate acne by inducing seborrhea (sebum). In women, androgen disorders are frequently suspected when acne is accompanied by hirsutism or irregularities of the menstrual cycle. In men, however, acne may be the only sign of androgen excess.

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They all just put us on drugs or topicals. It's just a big business and I'm sick of it. There IS a cure, and the cure is not profitable, hence it's not as mainstream as people want.

I want to do something about this and make my own website or something and pretty much sum up all this, in terms of exactly what to do for external and internal purposes to stop this nonsense for mild to moderate acne sufferers. Because the dan kern regimen itself isn't enough to stop future acne, it just treats existing ones (and not too good :( )

My skin is so non oily right now that I feel like I am on accutane, it's literally weird. I don't even have excess saliva anymore, I keep drinking water, and I already drink 10-16 glasses daily naturally. I don't even have excess oil on my body anymore, it's crystal clean and no oil slicks or anything nasty either, all from a few easy steps :)

Hey go for it, the website, more power to the people. The problem is its so hard to find and sort out the good honest acne sites from one that are just disguised to try selling some shit product. I'm curious though on your exact current regime that's working for you if you wish to share!

Do you happen to know anyone who would help out with making a website? I am a graphic designer, although I am not a website designer (I can't code nor host a site etc).

Maybe by making a blog with a link to another forum perhaps?

It won't be filled with any advertises or crap people have to buy that's for sure. Just plain information, free for all.


Gone out of the country July 5th to August 5th

Finally Clear! < Click link for regimen

People always think the key to fighting acne is to avoid foods, but in actually it's usually what they're NOT eating that's causing it to happen. It made no sense to start with omitting the small things that MAY cause acne for SOME people. Start with the basics of nutrition. You're a human, not an accumulation of minor problems from every person! Not everyone reacts to the same foods. Not everyone has issues with wheat and such foods. Start with the basics of good nutrition and THEN see what happens, omit foods once you feel something is not working, but don't base a diet off of what to avoid, that will make you malnourished and very depressed when you have nothing left to eat! It is true that some people have issues with some foods, but remember, try it for yourself first :)

Get to the root of the problem, because acne has a relentless and endless arsenal on the surface and it is sadistic.

Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group. Omega 3 fatty acids can also help to keep the production of androgens under control. Androgens are hormones that influence sebum production and are particularly active during adolescence, which is possibly why many teenagers suffer from acne. Androgen excess may provoke or aggravate acne by inducing seborrhea (sebum). In women, androgen disorders are frequently suspected when acne is accompanied by hirsutism or irregularities of the menstrual cycle. In men, however, acne may be the only sign of androgen excess.

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They all just put us on drugs or topicals. It's just a big business and I'm sick of it. There IS a cure, and the cure is not profitable, hence it's not as mainstream as people want.

I want to do something about this and make my own website or something and pretty much sum up all this, in terms of exactly what to do for external and internal purposes to stop this nonsense for mild to moderate acne sufferers. Because the dan kern regimen itself isn't enough to stop future acne, it just treats existing ones (and not too good :( )

My skin is so non oily right now that I feel like I am on accutane, it's literally weird. I don't even have excess saliva anymore, I keep drinking water, and I already drink 10-16 glasses daily naturally. I don't even have excess oil on my body anymore, it's crystal clean and no oil slicks or anything nasty either, all from a few easy steps :)

Hey go for it, the website, more power to the people. The problem is its so hard to find and sort out the good honest acne sites from one that are just disguised to try selling some shit product. I'm curious though on your exact current regime that's working for you if you wish to share!

Do you happen to know anyone who would help out with making a website? I am a graphic designer, although I am not a website designer (I can't code nor host a site etc).

Maybe by making a blog with a link to another forum perhaps?

It won't be filled with any advertises or crap people have to buy that's for sure. Just plain information, free for all.

Maybe we could get this stickied here since there are already a lot of people with this acne problem frequently visiting this site.


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from my calculations i believe the natural ratio of omega 6/3 is more like 1:14

i just estimated if my main protein intake was all salmon say 150 grams of protein from salmon that would be around 15 grams of o3 in a day

plus veggies say like potatoes and ate four large potatoes a day 320 gms carbs would barely give evenme a gram of omega 6

this would be 2015 total calories which is about average for an adult.

if this is how most of our ancestors ate the ratio would be more like 1:14 omega 6/3.

I got the info from nutrition data.com.

are my calculations realistic? what do you think?


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.

#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.

#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.

#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.

#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.

#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.

#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.


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from my calculations i believe the natural ratio of omega 6/3 is more like 1:14

i just estimated if my main protein intake was all salmon say 150 grams of protein from salmon that would be around 15 grams of o3 in a day

plus veggies say like potatoes and ate four large potatoes a day 320 gms carbs would barely give evenme a gram of omega 6

this would be 2015 total calories which is about average for an adult.

if this is how most of our ancestors ate the ratio would be more like 1:14 omega 6/3.

I got the info from nutrition data.com.

are my calculations realistic? what do you think?

Looks good, except 150g of protein is a lot of protein. You have to eat pretty selectively to get in that much protein without supplementation. Not that it can't be done, as I get in around 200g without counting supplementation but its a pain in the ass to do. If you're getting in that much protein from meals, chances are your diet would have to be considerably higher than 2015 cals.


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perhaps the low fat diet craze for the last i dont know 15 years is all propaganda to fuel the healthcare industry.

to affect our veiws as all fats are bad, when in reality, fat from fish maybe the best thing to fight against numerous diseases?

possible?highly well anything is possible

probable???? well people have been using the media to spin shit for ages so why not? benjamin franklins trade was as a printer and he printed newspapers. He had the very same veiws on newspapers saying there is no real useful information in them and by reading them you would be even more confused about the world then if you hadnt read it!!!ha at least i think it was him, dont quote me tho. and if you know for sure then chime in.

and why is all the good fish and seafood so god damn expensive? by this time havent we figured out how to produce this shit more locally so that it can be affordable? Imean we got ultra fast computers and weve gone to the moon for christs sake.

Im such a conspiracy theorist!!! but so far it has done me nothing but good.

what other option do i have, blindly trust everyone i meet? easy to see that aint happening.


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.

#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.

#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.

#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.

#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.

#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.

#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.


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i used to have really oily skin until i started taking omega 3's as well. i started out with flax and have switched to fish oil since

should I replace flax oil with fish oil? Everyone seems to be praising fish oil. I am following Bob's regime.

I follow his regimen too, except I researched that borage and evening primrose are high in omega 6, so I just take omega 3 (fish oil) for my EFAs

So did you replace flax oil with fish oil? Currently I am taking flax oil. I stll don't see major difference but my face is pretty oily and so even the baking soda is not enough to dry it. lol

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from my calculations i believe the natural ratio of omega 6/3 is more like 1:14

i just estimated if my main protein intake was all salmon say 150 grams of protein from salmon that would be around 15 grams of o3 in a day

plus veggies say like potatoes and ate four large potatoes a day 320 gms carbs would barely give evenme a gram of omega 6

this would be 2015 total calories which is about average for an adult.

if this is how most of our ancestors ate the ratio would be more like 1:14 omega 6/3.

I got the info from nutrition data.com.

are my calculations realistic? what do you think?

Looks good, except 150g of protein is a lot of protein. You have to eat pretty selectively to get in that much protein without supplementation. Not that it can't be done, as I get in around 200g without counting supplementation but its a pain in the ass to do. If you're getting in that much protein from meals, chances are your diet would have to be considerably higher than 2015 cals.

i easily get at least 120 grams of protein in my meals, if i dont i will never feel satiated and will gorge on carbs, well at least back in the day thats how i used to be, carbs never fill me up, they are like empty i used to be able to eat a whole bag of snyders buttermilk ranch pretzel pieces in one sitting that was probably 1000 calories right there. but now i fill up on cooked veggies and meat and stuff myself so full it feels so good and its still low carb. well potatoes arent exactly low carb but i also eat alot of cooked carrots.


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.

#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.

#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.

#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.

#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.

#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.

#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.


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ive started to use fish oil topically.

just so you all know.

even though after only seven days of achieving a 1:1 ratio, my skin is on a slow upward spiral, i still have some large pores and some blackheads left which are going away fairly quickly but i really would like to speed it up as fast as i can. and plenty of scars which are fading very nicely. i dont expect the scars to be gone for at least 4 more weeks though. I would like to add that i took about two capsules per day for about a week before attempting to achive a 1:1 ratio which now requires i take any where from eight to ten capsules a day.

To describe some of the changes ive noticed in the past week i would say the best thing is that the skin on my face is becoming creamy and smooth and no irritation or dryness at all, which is not quite like bbrs experiance(he had a nice halt of oil production) but maybe my skin will get more dry as i progress which it seems to be doing anyhow.My sebum is alot thinner and not as thick.

I also stopped using bp as it is known to age skin and contribute to tumor production. dont want that on my face anymore.

the only thing i still use is retinoic acid at night because its pretty effective and makes sense as a treatment.

by my estimates my acne is improving at a rate of about 3% per day and a consistent three percent, i have not had one new pimple since starting this, they just all started to fade noticably after the second day.

I expect to have no signs of acne(except pitted scars) in about 30-45 days.

i really hate counting my eggs before they hatch but after only a week of doing this, i feel hella confident.

yet i still dont want this thread to be over hyped. so we will wait and see what the next two-three weeks has instore.

and also judge according to other peoples experiances as well.


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.

#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.

#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.

#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.

#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.

#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.

#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.


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something to read if you have the time, i found it fascinating

some info on the eskimo diet and other traditional diets as well.

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_di...ary_wisdom.html


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.

#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.

#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.

#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.

#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.

#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.

#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.


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I've heard so many good things about fish oil that I started taking it about 3 days ago but I've noticed my skin has been breaking out in a little red rash on my cheeks-it's weird. I'm taking the high potency omega 3 fish oil without mercury,etc. Has this happened to anyone else? I'm not sure it I should keep using it or stop.


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apply RAM .04% to nose and chin only

Once weekly, wash with Jan Marini Clean Enzyme face wash

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but it seems that since you were on antibiotics, you have mild to moderate acne, if not worse? Is this true? tell me more about it?

Whoops, I missed your question. Yeah, I'm currently 26 male with probably moderate acne (about 10-15 inflamed pimples of varying degree, normally about five bad ones but another 10 or so in remission, but also a shitload of uninflamed comedones). My history:

age 14 - 20: mild acne, a few inflamed pimples. I don't remember it being that bad or maybe I just wasn't as conscious about it. I went to the derm once and I was on an antibiotic for a short while (don't remember which one).

age 20 -25: started getting worse to moderate acne finally to more comparable to what I have now.

age 25 (last summer): finally went to the derm (damn, I was stubborn!) Antibiotics: minocycline -> doxycyline; topicals: tried Retin-A, clindamicin, Benza-Clin. I improved a little bit, mainly less inflamation.

Then beginning January I started reading acne.org and tried B5 for almost a month and dropped the antibiotics mid Janurary. B5 helped some with oil and seemed to maintain the level I was at while on antibiotics. I realized B5 is just too crazy even if it actually would work. Been on the paleo diet + supplements since beginning of Feb. Topically, I've been experimenting briefly w/ ACV, zinc cream, and even raw doggin it without putting anything on my skin since I get irritated easily.

My acne has flared up a little since stopping the antibiotics and B5 especially a lot more around my lips more than ever; really annoying.

Current "regime":

Paleo diet

Supplements (maybe I should cut something out):

Multivitamin w/o iodine

Zinc (50 mg total counting the amount in the multi)

Pro-biotic twice the recommend serving

Saw Palmetto 320 mg (supposed to suppress testostorone conversion to DHT)

Omega-3 (just upped it to 2g EPA, 1g DHA)

Flaxoil and Flaxseed

B-Complex

Veggie Pills

Borage Oil

Evening Primrose

Topical:

BenzaClin spot treatment (I just ordered Clearogen, going to try that)

tried rubbing saw palmetto on face the past three days also for kicks (no irritation, so why not?!?)

Thanks!

Thank you for writing all that out. I'm not too far from you age wise (21) although I know it's not as serious as yours. I can definitely tell that is a lot of multivitamins.

Be sure you know the RDA upper intake and lower intake tolerance level for each since they can harm you.

I will post my regimen here tomorrow in this thread for you, since I have a midterm tomorrow.

Well, I'm only taking the recommended serving of the multivitamin so I should be good as far as the RDA upper limit. However, with all the other stuff it adds up to about 15-20 pills / day, just wondering if this is too many concentrated substances for my liver.

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from my calculations i believe the natural ratio of omega 6/3 is more like 1:14

i just estimated if my main protein intake was all salmon say 150 grams of protein from salmon that would be around 15 grams of o3 in a day

plus veggies say like potatoes and ate four large potatoes a day 320 gms carbs would barely give evenme a gram of omega 6

this would be 2015 total calories which is about average for an adult.

if this is how most of our ancestors ate the ratio would be more like 1:14 omega 6/3.

I got the info from nutrition data.com.

are my calculations realistic? what do you think?

Well, my understanding is that potatoes weren't even consumed (if even around) by our ancestors, only became part of the diet within the past 5,000 - 10,000 years (not enough time for us to optimally evolve with them as a staple of our diet). I don't think you can even come close to calculating our natural omega-6:omega-3 ratio without first thoroughly having an accurate idea of what they ate. Using whatever science we have, people who actually do this stuff using anthropology, archaeology, etc. have calculated the ratio to be about 1:1.

I know you're pretty gung ho about omega-3, but omega-6's are still essential to us and the key of course is the right ratio which science today suggests is 1:1. Whether this is accurate or not is another story, but is the best we have.

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been on the fish oil for a wk, and i'm seeing some improvement in the number of actives. idk whether to credit it to the fish oil, the saw palmetto i started taking, usuing head and shoulders fora face wash sometimes, or going from eating 90% healthy to 100%.. i FEEL that it IS the fish oil though for some reason..also, with those that saw improvement, did your acne change places on your face slightly? where i ususally get whiteheads (around mouth and cheeks) has decreased quite a bit but where i get hardly any (forehead (middle and right above eyebrows)) before, it's exploded now. anyoen else experience this?

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Ok - so today (day 3) my skin is oilier, but it's a different kind of oiliness. Normally my skin is oily AND dehydrated. If you have ever felt tea tree or lavender oil, that's the way the oil on my face normally feels. Kind of a dry oil, not moisturizing, just shiny :doubt: Today, my skin looks.. plumper? Less dehydrated, oily - but not dry. Additionally - my eyes don't itch (they usually do), and my hands aren't dry and flaky - they usually are. Interesting...

you are dead on target.

i think we ate fish alot more then previously thought, we couldnt have relied on spearhunting and bowhunting, that is soooooo hard to do, ask any bowhunter.

and to get close enough to something to spear it???? even harder to do, but how hard is it to catch a fish, or even start your own fish pond, fuckin simple.

all you had to do was get a couple fish to mate with each other and keep em in a pond so they can multiply and guess what you are creating your own food source that you can rely on for the rest of your life. A secure food source.


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from my calculations i believe the natural ratio of omega 6/3 is more like 1:14

i just estimated if my main protein intake was all salmon say 150 grams of protein from salmon that would be around 15 grams of o3 in a day

plus veggies say like potatoes and ate four large potatoes a day 320 gms carbs would barely give evenme a gram of omega 6

this would be 2015 total calories which is about average for an adult.

if this is how most of our ancestors ate the ratio would be more like 1:14 omega 6/3.

I got the info from nutrition data.com.

are my calculations realistic? what do you think?

Looks good, except 150g of protein is a lot of protein. You have to eat pretty selectively to get in that much protein without supplementation. Not that it can't be done, as I get in around 200g without counting supplementation but its a pain in the ass to do. If you're getting in that much protein from meals, chances are your diet would have to be considerably higher than 2015 cals.

i easily get at least 120 grams of protein in my meals, if i dont i will never feel satiated and will gorge on carbs, well at least back in the day thats how i used to be, carbs never fill me up, they are like empty i used to be able to eat a whole bag of snyders buttermilk ranch pretzel pieces in one sitting that was probably 1000 calories right there. but now i fill up on cooked veggies and meat and stuff myself so full it feels so good and its still low carb. well potatoes arent exactly low carb but i also eat alot of cooked carrots.

I see what you're saying, and now that i look at unfarmed salmon it would seem 1/2kg is all you would need for 150g of protein. Of course that leaves your diet at around 1400 cals, if all you eat is salmon. The other 600cal would come from vegetables?


24-28 1g pills of fish oil since early Feb 07(approx 10g o3s)

30-35 1g pills since March 22(approx 15g)


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ive started to use fish oil topically.

just so you all know.

even though after only seven days of achieving a 1:1 ratio, my skin is on a slow upward spiral, i still have some large pores and some blackheads left which are going away fairly quickly but i really would like to speed it up as fast as i can. and plenty of scars which are fading very nicely. i dont expect the scars to be gone for at least 4 more weeks though. I would like to add that i took about two capsules per day for about a week before attempting to achive a 1:1 ratio which now requires i take any where from eight to ten capsules a day.

To describe some of the changes ive noticed in the past week i would say the best thing is that the skin on my face is becoming creamy and smooth and no irritation or dryness at all, which is not quite like bbrs experiance(he had a nice halt of oil production) but maybe my skin will get more dry as i progress which it seems to be doing anyhow.My sebum is alot thinner and not as thick.

I also stopped using bp as it is known to age skin and contribute to tumor production. dont want that on my face anymore.

the only thing i still use is retinoic acid at night because its pretty effective and makes sense as a treatment.

by my estimates my acne is improving at a rate of about 3% per day and a consistent three percent, i have not had one new pimple since starting this, they just all started to fade noticably after the second day.

I expect to have no signs of acne(except pitted scars) in about 30-45 days.

i really hate counting my eggs before they hatch but after only a week of doing this, i feel hella confident.

yet i still dont want this thread to be over hyped. so we will wait and see what the next two-three weeks has instore.

and also judge according to other peoples experiances as well.

well last night i applied fish oil topically for maybe 4 hours before i went to bed and noticed one little white head and a small but not inflamed cyst forming which doesnt even hurt but from this i will conclude that maybe putting fish oil on my skin isnt the best for it, ill just let my body decides what goes ono my skin.

but i stll think if they could purify fish oil to the point as to extract only epa , that would be a really good topical to compare to retinoic acid.

the skin on my are alot softer when usually they are really rough dry and scaly.

and for my second week im upping my fish oil to 15 pills a day.

face is still getting creamier.


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.

#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.

#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.

#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.

#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.

#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.

#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.


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i used to have really oily skin until i started taking omega 3's as well. i started out with flax and have switched to fish oil since

should I replace flax oil with fish oil? Everyone seems to be praising fish oil. I am following Bob's regime.

I follow his regimen too, except I researched that borage and evening primrose are high in omega 6, so I just take omega 3 (fish oil) for my EFAs

WHat brand of fish oil do you buy, because i only found kind that has borage and flaxseed and i want to get off of that.

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