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also, i think that exfoliating with toothbrush may be too irritating for my super sensitive skin. instead, i'm thinking of using a cotton pad and make gentle circular motion while cleansing. what do you think of this?

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Hi Bob!

Appreciate you taking time to post your story and your regimen!

your history sounds identical to mine...all the Rx's, natural tx (liver/colon cleansing, etc), veggie/macro/raw diets, Accutane 3x (too! or was it 4...can't remember now), and not to mention bottle/tube/dropper after another of OTCs...ahh the years of wasted efforts....

i stopped my last course of accutane about 2.5 years ago as well and have been seeing my skin turn around since about 6 months ago. but i had the same results as you --> crystal clear skin while i was on it and then it looked like i had smallpox a month after the last pill. imagine the irreparable damage all this has done to our bodies. i was researching oil supplementation as well a few days ago and was thinking of settling down on Udo's choice blends...his "perfect" blend. what do you think of his line and have you considered trying this out rather than buying separate pills?

currently, i have also pared down my regimen to basics though i need heavy moisturization as my skin is very dry on the surface (probably from accutane use).

morning: cetaphil, caudalie grape water (toner), and L'occitane spf 15 daily moisturizing cream

night: cetaphil or Peter Thomas Roth AHA/BHA exfoliating scrub for dark/red marks, caudalie grape water, and vichy oligo 25 moisturizer

even though the Peter Thomas Roth product has "granules" it is polyethylene beads without harsh edges, i VERY lightly swirl this on my face just to get the acids distributed. i found that this works better for me than any other manual technique since i let it sit for no more than 1 minute - just enough to slough off dead skin but not enough to read further down to induce inflammation.

however, i am still not 100% clear...hormonal flare-ups and the tiny ones here and there but i was hoping that supplementation will be the key to success as i also need help with moisturization levels.

so...ramble, ramble, ramble...that is all =)

thanks again, bob!

1. I looked briefly at the ingredients in Udo's choice blend. I think it is a good product but a bit overpriced. I get my Flax oil which has a similar blend at Trader Joe's for about half of the charge of that product per ounce, and that is an online price I saw for Udo's. I have to still recommend you get the GLAs which are in borage and primrose oil. These are especially good for hair/skin/nail health. I've noticed my nails grow twice as fast now with this supplementation also.

(I looked again, I saw it had like 13mg of GLAs. That is a WEAK concentration. I can't remember but I get around 500mg of GLAs a day or more. I take the larger doses to ensure my body gets enough, you can probably get away with taking half of what I take, but I take 2 pills of each (4 total) borage and primrose a day out of the Now vitamins Super Primrose and also the Now Borage oil.)

2. Whenever people tell me their regimen I cringe only because I don't know what products you are using. I am not familar with them and am not sure if the harshness of the chemicals is affecting your skin. I always recommend against products just because you never know if you just have 1 problem ingredient in some product. I only recommended a few products on my own:

Moisture: complex 15

sun block: Zia OR a powder sunscreen that I heard Cameron Diaz talk about

(this is truly a revolutionary idea, i think it will help the sun screen chemicals from getting inside a person's skin, which is excellent).

Cetaphil/Baking Soda: Very mild

BP: Neutragena product

Nothing else. In fact, the sunblock and moisturizer do NOT touch my skin on a daily basis. Only when necessary.

I can't really know if any of the special products you are using are causing you problems, nor can you unless you get your skin clear and then start to implement products outside the necessary (like AHA or others) Yet, if you are sure that it works best for you then you listen to your body.

I think one thing you will be very excited to know is that by taking the oils I mention everyday with consistency, you will find your skin has LOTS of healthy levels of oil on it. Your skin will replenish it's oil from dryness much quicker and better. Why? Because these oils are crucial to your skin's functioning. Take the oils I describe for 6-8 weeks and you will notice that you need less and less moisturizer.

As for price, this should run you just around 16-20 bucks a month (that Udo's oil was expensive and probably 25 bucks a month, so you get borage, primrose, and flax for less than Udos which I think is only flax. I didn't see any GLAs in that Udos).

GOODLUCK!

Oils are so essential for skin health.

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Hi Bob!

Appreciate you taking time to post your story and your regimen!

your history sounds identical to mine...all the Rx's, natural tx (liver/colon cleansing, etc), veggie/macro/raw diets, Accutane 3x (too! or was it 4...can't remember now), and not to mention bottle/tube/dropper after another of OTCs...ahh the years of wasted efforts....

i stopped my last course of accutane about 2.5 years ago as well and have been seeing my skin turn around since about 6 months ago. but i had the same results as you --> crystal clear skin while i was on it and then it looked like i had smallpox a month after the last pill. imagine the irreparable damage all this has done to our bodies. i was researching oil supplementation as well a few days ago and was thinking of settling down on Udo's choice blends...his "perfect" blend. what do you think of his line and have you considered trying this out rather than buying separate pills?

currently, i have also pared down my regimen to basics though i need heavy moisturization as my skin is very dry on the surface (probably from accutane use).

morning: cetaphil, caudalie grape water (toner), and L'occitane spf 15 daily moisturizing cream

night: cetaphil or Peter Thomas Roth AHA/BHA exfoliating scrub for dark/red marks, caudalie grape water, and vichy oligo 25 moisturizer

even though the Peter Thomas Roth product has "granules" it is polyethylene beads without harsh edges, i VERY lightly swirl this on my face just to get the acids distributed. i found that this works better for me than any other manual technique since i let it sit for no more than 1 minute - just enough to slough off dead skin but not enough to read further down to induce inflammation.

however, i am still not 100% clear...hormonal flare-ups and the tiny ones here and there but i was hoping that supplementation will be the key to success as i also need help with moisturization levels.

so...ramble, ramble, ramble...that is all =)

thanks again, bob!

1. I looked briefly at the ingredients in Udo's choice blend. I think it is a good product but a bit overpriced. I get my Flax oil which has a similar blend at Trader Joe's for about half of the charge of that product per ounce, and that is an online price I saw for Udo's. I have to still recommend you get the GLAs which are in borage and primrose oil. These are especially good for hair/skin/nail health. I've noticed my nails grow twice as fast now with this supplementation also.

(I looked again, I saw it had like 13mg of GLAs. That is a WEAK concentration. I can't remember but I get around 500mg of GLAs a day or more. I take the larger doses to ensure my body gets enough, you can probably get away with taking half of what I take, but I take 2 pills of each (4 total) borage and primrose a day out of the Now vitamins Super Primrose and also the Now Borage oil.)

2. Whenever people tell me their regimen I cringe only because I don't know what products you are using. I am not familar with them and am not sure if the harshness of the chemicals is affecting your skin. I always recommend against products just because you never know if you just have 1 problem ingredient in some product. I only recommended a few products on my own:

Moisture: complex 15

sun block: Zia OR a powder sunscreen that I heard Cameron Diaz talk about

(this is truly a revolutionary idea, i think it will help the sun screen chemicals from getting inside a person's skin, which is excellent).

Cetaphil/Baking Soda: Very mild

BP: Neutragena product

Nothing else. In fact, the sunblock and moisturizer do NOT touch my skin on a daily basis. Only when necessary.

I can't really know if any of the special products you are using are causing you problems, nor can you unless you get your skin clear and then start to implement products outside the necessary (like AHA or others) Yet, if you are sure that it works best for you then you listen to your body.

I think one thing you will be very excited to know is that by taking the oils I mention everyday with consistency, you will find your skin has LOTS of healthy levels of oil on it. Your skin will replenish it's oil from dryness much quicker and better. Why? Because these oils are crucial to your skin's functioning. Take the oils I describe for 6-8 weeks and you will notice that you need less and less moisturizer.

As for price, this should run you just around 16-20 bucks a month (that Udo's oil was expensive and probably 25 bucks a month, so you get borage, primrose, and flax for less than Udos which I think is only flax. I didn't see any GLAs in that Udos).

GOODLUCK!

Oils are so essential for skin health.

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what an awesome detailed post! I use EPO and Borage but I also drink Hempseed (not flax) and I drink the oils because I won"t take gelcaps.

great post!

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I have a facial cleanser by Dr. Weil, it's the brand Origins and it's called Plantidote Mega Mushroom Face Cleanser. It's extremely mild...have you used this at all? It works really well for me and I have extremely sensitive skin. Also, when exfoliating do you have go over active pimples? I did that with baking soda...but just plain baking soda with water and it opened up these active pimples and irritated them for days. Do you avoid those areas?

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hi bob,

is it really necessary to take ALL 3 supplements? (primrose, borage, and flax) how many tablets per day for each is adequate?

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also, i think that exfoliating with toothbrush may be too irritating for my super sensitive skin. instead, i'm thinking of using a cotton pad and make gentle circular motion while cleansing. what do you think of this?

I agree that it may be too irritating for some. Use a brush every other day and then use something softer (yet make sure it can somehow cause an abrasion). I fear that a cotton pad could be too soft, and may just be like rubbing your hands over your skin. You need some type of abrasion.

Keep thinking, it needs to have somewhat of a rough surface and be super gentle. By the way, I have sensitive skin. Maybe you are brushing too hard. You can use a toothbrush by barely pressing over the skin!

Good luck.

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hi bob,

is it really necessary to take ALL 3 supplements? (primrose, borage, and flax) how many tablets per day for each is adequate?

I say yes. Definitely borage and flax.

I think unless you are CLEAR then you can't be picky here. If your skin is clear then you can say, "ok, lets see if I can only take 2 of 3 oils." Until then, take all 3.

Is it really worth it? It costs maybe 5 bucks a month to add each oil, probably 15-20 for all of them. Is it worth saving 5 bucks to take out 1 of these oils? I don't think so, imagine what other people pay, hundreds for accutane a month, 60 bucks for perscriptions... just spend the extra 5.

Good luck!

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hi bob,

is it really necessary to take ALL 3 supplements? (primrose, borage, and flax) how many tablets per day for each is adequate?

I say yes. Definitely borage and flax.

I think unless you are CLEAR then you can't be picky here. If your skin is clear then you can say, "ok, lets see if I can only take 2 of 3 oils." Until then, take all 3.

Is it really worth it? It costs maybe 5 bucks a month to add each oil, probably 15-20 for all of them. Is it worth saving 5 bucks to take out 1 of these oils? I don't think so, imagine what other people pay, hundreds for accutane a month, 60 bucks for perscriptions... just spend the extra 5.

Good luck!

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also, i think that exfoliating with toothbrush may be too irritating for my super sensitive skin. instead, i'm thinking of using a cotton pad and make gentle circular motion while cleansing. what do you think of this?

I agree that it may be too irritating for some. Use a brush every other day and then use something softer (yet make sure it can somehow cause an abrasion). I fear that a cotton pad could be too soft, and may just be like rubbing your hands over your skin. You need some type of abrasion.

Keep thinking, it needs to have somewhat of a rough surface and be super gentle. By the way, I have sensitive skin. Maybe you are brushing too hard. You can use a toothbrush by barely pressing over the skin!

Good luck.

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Just so you know: brown sugar = white sugar + molasses.

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how do you avoid washing your face after exercising? everytime i exercise i HAVE to wash, otherwise my face feels terribly dirty.

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how do you avoid washing your face after exercising? everytime i exercise i HAVE to wash, otherwise my face feels terribly dirty.

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Hi Bob!

I was reading your post and I was very interested in it. Hopefully, you could take a look at my regime and suggest some changes for me that are similar to what you're doing. Since my mom buys me my supplies, she rarely buys me things that she hasn't heard of or seen works. So that poses a slight problem for me. :wall:

Currently, I just stopped using Proactiv and started on a new acne skin-care line that Neutrogena just came out with, called Healthy Skin, Anti-Wrinkle, Anti-Blemish. Proactiv worked for a while for me, but then after a few months I stopped using it since my skin was clearing away and I started breaking out like crazy. I went back to Proactiv, but for some reason, it doesn't work as well as it did before. I have moderate acne now with alot of ice pick scars and red and brown pigmentation.

This is my regime basically:

1) Wash with Neutrogena, Healthy Skin Cleanser (0.5% Salicylic Acid, Alpha Hydroxy) for 30 seconds

2) Tone with Proactiv Revitalizing Toner

3) Apply Neutrogena, Healthy Skin Clear Skin Cream (2% Salicylic Acid, Retinol)

4) Moisturize with Proactiv Moisturizer (SPF 15)

I do this morning and night. Let's see, I eat fairly well. It could be better; I rarely eat dairy or fatty, junk foods. I occasionally indulge some Godiva chocolate though. :doh:

I stopped exercising. Maybe, that was the key after all. I remembered when I exercised 3 days a week, my skin was so healthy looking. Uhmm, I take Centrum Multivitamin Tablets. And I've started on ACV.

I think that's it.

Uhm, do you have any suggestions for scar treatment or scar prevention? I know, personally, that I scratch my face unconsciously at night. I tend to wake up with bloody scabs in the morning and my pillow cases stained with blood. I've been wearing rubber gloves before I go to sleep now and that has reduced the amount of damage on my skin. But do you suggest applying neosporin on those scabs?

Basically, when I wash my face, I usually wash the scab away; however, that leaves scarring tissue behind.

Ugh :wall::wall::wall:

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Hi Bob!

I was reading your post and I was very interested in it. Hopefully, you could take a look at my regime and suggest some changes for me that are similar to what you're doing. Since my mom buys me my supplies, she rarely buys me things that she hasn't heard of or seen works. So that poses a slight problem for me. :wall:

Currently, I just stopped using Proactiv and started on a new acne skin-care line that Neutrogena just came out with, called Healthy Skin, Anti-Wrinkle, Anti-Blemish. Proactiv worked for a while for me, but then after a few months I stopped using it since my skin was clearing away and I started breaking out like crazy. I went back to Proactiv, but for some reason, it doesn't work as well as it did before. I have moderate acne now with alot of ice pick scars and red and brown pigmentation.

This is my regime basically:

1) Wash with Neutrogena, Healthy Skin Cleanser (0.5% Salicylic Acid, Alpha Hydroxy) for 30 seconds

2) Tone with Proactiv Revitalizing Toner

3) Apply Neutrogena, Healthy Skin Clear Skin Cream (2% Salicylic Acid, Retinol)

4) Moisturize with Proactiv Moisturizer (SPF 15)

I do this morning and night. Let's see, I eat fairly well. It could be better; I rarely eat dairy or fatty, junk foods. I occasionally indulge some Godiva chocolate though. :doh:

I stopped exercising. Maybe, that was the key after all. I remembered when I exercised 3 days a week, my skin was so healthy looking. Uhmm, I take Centrum Multivitamin Tablets. And I've started on ACV.

I think that's it.

Uhm, do you have any suggestions for scar treatment or scar prevention? I know, personally, that I scratch my face unconsciously at night. I tend to wake up with bloody scabs in the morning and my pillow cases stained with blood. I've been wearing rubber gloves before I go to sleep now and that has reduced the amount of damage on my skin. But do you suggest applying neosporin on those scabs?

Basically, when I wash my face, I usually wash the scab away; however, that leaves scarring tissue behind.

Ugh :wall::wall::wall:

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I'm new to the whole diet and holistic approach to treating acne. I've been on many prescription meds, accutane, BCP, antibiotics, spiro, all of which didn't help.

Thank you for creating such an informative post...it's great for newbies like me. I do have a question about diet and dairy products: what about yogurt? I eat yogurt almost everyday, and I'm wondering what people's thoughts are. I know it's a dairy product, but is it as bad as milk and cheese in terms of acne? Any info whould be appreciated. :angel:

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What bob is saying is mostly correct, I can definitely vouch for that, so listen to this guy!

The principles that is, that we can all agree upon. A good diet filled with the nutrients from fruits/greens is essential, along with plenty of water, exercise, and having a relatively healthy, moderate diet. Also, keeping your skin at a perfect balance with washing, and moisturizing effectively. I pretty much do what bob has written in a round a bout way (with a bit of difference through experimentation to benefit my body most) and now am very impressed with the results. I also take a multi vitamin, and a multi green. Let me rephrase that, I am ecstatic, it's body and mind transforming: the effects.

And it's true. Exercise is a MUST! Not an option, a must, so is proper nutrition, (greens, fruits, protein). There is a reason for everything, but it's rather tedious and long to write out why each part helps your skin and acne, but in a nutshell, your skin becomes healthy and balances the out of wack issues and levels in your body.

Go bob!

How long have you been clear buddy?

I do have one question for you:

I haven't taken any of my essential oils yet... flax, fish etc. But I do want to ask you, in terms of flax and fish oil, which one is better and why, what do you believe are the pros and cons between them? I want to start taking one, but I want to be totally sure.

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I really like Bob's post. He really put in the time to write it all out and tried it out for over a year. I just ordered primrose oil and borage oil. And I am already taking two tablespoons of flax oil to my salads or green smoothies. And I haven't eaten grain, wheat or dairy in over 14 days. so really eating healthy. But I know its not going to be perfect all time. but thats ok. And exercising 5 days week. The only thing that I haven't been doing what Bob mentioned was the gentle cleansers. Coz I am still breaking out and am afraid to give up benzoyl peroxide wash just yet. But I am open to it. But I have ordered organic aloe vera gel or moisturizer coz I don't have any moisturizers. my face so ar is clearer but still could get more clear. so I will see. I know what I am doing is healthy for the long term:)

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I'm new to the whole diet and holistic approach to treating acne. I've been on many prescription meds, accutane, BCP, antibiotics, spiro, all of which didn't help.

Thank you for creating such an informative post...it's great for newbies like me. I do have a question about diet and dairy products: what about yogurt? I eat yogurt almost everyday, and I'm wondering what people's thoughts are. I know it's a dairy product, but is it as bad as milk and cheese in terms of acne? Any info whould be appreciated. :angel:

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What bob is saying is mostly correct, I can definitely vouch for that, so listen to this guy!

The principles that is, that we can all agree upon. A good diet filled with the nutrients from fruits/greens is essential, along with plenty of water, exercise, and having a relatively healthy, moderate diet. Also, keeping your skin at a perfect balance with washing, and moisturizing effectively. I pretty much do what bob has written in a round a bout way (with a bit of difference through experimentation to benefit my body most) and now am very impressed with the results. I also take a multi vitamin, and a multi green. Let me rephrase that, I am ecstatic, it's body and mind transforming: the effects.

And it's true. Exercise is a MUST! Not an option, a must, so is proper nutrition, (greens, fruits, protein). There is a reason for everything, but it's rather tedious and long to write out why each part helps your skin and acne, but in a nutshell, your skin becomes healthy and balances the out of wack issues and levels in your body.

Go bob!

How long have you been clear buddy?

I do have one question for you:

I haven't taken any of my essential oils yet... flax, fish etc. But I do want to ask you, in terms of flax and fish oil, which one is better and why, what do you believe are the pros and cons between them? I want to start taking one, but I want to be totally sure.

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I really like Bob's post. He really put in the time to write it all out and tried it out for over a year. I just ordered primrose oil and borage oil. And I am already taking two tablespoons of flax oil to my salads or green smoothies. And I haven't eaten grain, wheat or dairy in over 14 days. so really eating healthy. But I know its not going to be perfect all time. but thats ok. And exercising 5 days week. The only thing that I haven't been doing what Bob mentioned was the gentle cleansers. Coz I am still breaking out and am afraid to give up benzoyl peroxide wash just yet. But I am open to it. But I have ordered organic aloe vera gel or moisturizer coz I don't have any moisturizers. my face so ar is clearer but still could get more clear. so I will see. I know what I am doing is healthy for the long term:)

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What bob is saying is mostly correct, I can definitely vouch for that, so listen to this guy!

The principles that is, that we can all agree upon. A good diet filled with the nutrients from fruits/greens is essential, along with plenty of water, exercise, and having a relatively healthy, moderate diet. Also, keeping your skin at a perfect balance with washing, and moisturizing effectively. I pretty much do what bob has written in a round a bout way (with a bit of difference through experimentation to benefit my body most) and now am very impressed with the results. I also take a multi vitamin, and a multi green. Let me rephrase that, I am ecstatic, it's body and mind transforming: the effects.

And it's true. Exercise is a MUST! Not an option, a must, so is proper nutrition, (greens, fruits, protein). There is a reason for everything, but it's rather tedious and long to write out why each part helps your skin and acne, but in a nutshell, your skin becomes healthy and balances the out of wack issues and levels in your body.

Go bob!

How long have you been clear buddy?

I do have one question for you:

I haven't taken any of my essential oils yet... flax, fish etc. But I do want to ask you, in terms of flax and fish oil, which one is better and why, what do you believe are the pros and cons between them? I want to start taking one, but I want to be totally sure.

Clear for just over 6 months. It feels good, now I hope to help others feel just as good.

I think that the flax is the premium oil, yet I take both. Flax is just used a lot more in the health community and there have been excellent studies on it's benefits. I say this with a skew on skin health, the fish is great but it is much better for cardiovascular health.

This is a tough debate, much alike asking someone who their favorite child is. Both oils are excellent and I hope you take both, but if you had to only chose one, take the flax.

I know that was a short explanation but I got a long week ahead and have to run, later.

Good luck!

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