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I was wondering how i am supposed to approach shaving? Because that is kind of irritating so should i shave without shaving cream or what??

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thanks bob!

also, i have some concerns regarding using baking soda as an exfoliant.

our skin is protected by a thin layer of skin, acid mantle and i heard that since baking soda is alkaline, if used repeatedly in face, it could damage the acid mantle and causing our skin to be more vulnerable for bacteria and infections :confused:

what do you think about that?

have a good evening!

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i think im gonna try this one. ive just decided to stop using topicals and this seems like a well researched logical plan.

just to make sure ive got it all heres what im planning to do

Diet: i already eat very well, but there are a few things that i could stand to cut out

Exercise: im training to be in the military, if anything i work out too much.

Cleansing: im a little confused here. what i got is that you would do an initial wash with say cetaphil cleanser, and then mix some baking soda with some more cetaphil cleanser, massage, brush, rinse? or by soap do you mean like a bar?

Supplements: i dont mind paying a few extra bucks for the multi. is this the one your talking about? http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ART00422

i think im also going to keep chugging ACV. a lot people claim it works. its cheap and its very good for you even if it doesnt help with acne. all ive got to lose is 2.99, and maybe some tastebuds :sick: lol

this is sort of a leap of faith. topicals have worked fairly well for me, but never totally did the job. i stopped about a 2 weeks ago and ive broken out pretty badly. oh well, if you can find a way to be confident and comfortable with yourself with acne all over your face, you can do anything :lol:

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thanks bob!

also, i have some concerns regarding using baking soda as an exfoliant.

our skin is protected by a thin layer of skin, acid mantle and i heard that since baking soda is alkaline, if used repeatedly in face, it could damage the acid mantle and causing our skin to be more vulnerable for bacteria and infections :confused:

what do you think about that?

have a good evening!

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i think im gonna try this one. ive just decided to stop using topicals and this seems like a well researched logical plan.

just to make sure ive got it all heres what im planning to do

Diet: i already eat very well, but there are a few things that i could stand to cut out

Exercise: im training to be in the military, if anything i work out too much.

Cleansing: im a little confused here. what i got is that you would do an initial wash with say cetaphil cleanser, and then mix some baking soda with some more cetaphil cleanser, massage, brush, rinse? or by soap do you mean like a bar?

Supplements: i dont mind paying a few extra bucks for the multi. is this the one your talking about? http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ART00422

i think im also going to keep chugging ACV. a lot people claim it works. its cheap and its very good for you even if it doesnt help with acne. all ive got to lose is 2.99, and maybe some tastebuds :sick: lol

this is sort of a leap of faith. topicals have worked fairly well for me, but never totally did the job. i stopped about a 2 weeks ago and ive broken out pretty badly. oh well, if you can find a way to be confident and comfortable with yourself with acne all over your face, you can do anything :lol:

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I'd cut out the introduction, which sounds prophetic enough to cause anyone who isn't skeptical to become so. While you have some good information, you echo what other people have already said.

In my opinion, the cure is to realize that the is no cure. When you understand that no philosophically minded system of health will help you, you'll forget the bullshit and go back to the basics. No special diets -- good food, but no special diets -- and simple, non-invasive treatment, exercise, and obeying your Circadian clock. Read about the real research on PubMed and other sites. Don't let anyone sell you their snake oil, whether they're a doctor or a "healer." Since so many people have this genetic trait, it's a big industry, and there's plenty of misinformation.

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ive got a few more quick questions.

why do you suggest both borage and primrose oils? from what ive been reading borage and primrose oils seem to be the same thing. they both contain the GLA fatty acid. wouldnt taking them both be a little much?

would you recommend taking flaxseed oil in softgel form, or as a liquid?

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I'd cut out the introduction, which sounds prophetic enough to cause anyone who isn't skeptical to become so. While you have some good information, you echo what other people have already said.

In my opinion, the cure is to realize that the is no cure. When you understand that no philosophically minded system of health will help you, you'll forget the bullshit and go back to the basics. No special diets -- good food, but no special diets -- and simple, non-invasive treatment, exercise, and obeying your Circadian clock. Read about the real research on PubMed and other sites. Don't let anyone sell you their snake oil, whether they're a doctor or a "healer." Since so many people have this genetic trait, it's a big industry, and there's plenty of misinformation.

I agree !

I said the same exact thing (with different words) in my post:

reductionist approach vs. holistic approach

It's the unfamous case of missing the forest for the trees, paralysis by analysis, getting stuck on variable details and missing the bigger picture, extrapolating points and forgetting the whole context

The reason also there's no cure is that we're beings of circumstances and our conditions and habits are also means of circumstances. Diet is not a fixed thing but variable according to circumstances and conditions

This doesn't apply to acne only. The whole concept of "cure" is ambiguos

Cure doesn't exist as the diseased state depends on factors that when absent promote health and when present promote disease. When doctors say that you can't cure but only control diseases like diabetes (for example) they stuck into ridicolous semantic: they're the same thing

Control is cure, there's not cure because there's only control influenced by circumstances

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ive got a few more quick questions.

why do you suggest both borage and primrose oils? from what ive been reading borage and primrose oils seem to be the same thing. they both contain the GLA fatty acid. wouldnt taking them both be a little much?

would you recommend taking flaxseed oil in softgel form, or as a liquid?

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bobmckee, so your saying don't use moisturizer after applying BP?

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i was told by a seemingly credible friend that puberty ends at age 25

do u have any remarks regarding hormones or something on those lines?

nice post, ima exercise more too, makes sense to me


it's what you make of it. if you think acne is shitty, it will be shitty for you. if you think acne a blessing in disguise that will change your outlook, personalities, and habits for the better, then it will be.

some personal pointers:

-the only thing that makes ME (not you perhaps) is chocolate, milk, soy milk, yogurt, and ice cream.

-eat healthy and be happy. a good diet takes months, if not years, to develop. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. so keep at it and it'll pay off in the long run.

-a bad attitude makes it that much worse for you. you can't change acne overnight, so might as well enjoy it as much as you can. (it's a twisted, positive way of thinking, but hey it's better than your negative thoughts.)

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-jojoba oil whenever i feel like it

-st. ives apricot scrub 1x/week and tea tree oil cleanser 3x/week

that's it!

status: clear, with some scars that won't budge, overall i'm content. i'm 21 and i pretty much have outgrown it.


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i was told by a seemingly credible friend that puberty ends at age 25

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i was told by a seemingly credible friend that puberty ends at age 25

do u have any remarks regarding hormones or something on those lines?

nice post, ima exercise more too, makes sense to me

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This is an excellent post. So nice of you to take the time to share this. :)


"...whatsoever things are true... honest... just... pure... lovely... or of good report;

if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

~Philippians 4:8~


Green smoothies/blended greens keep me clear! Click here

* Diet: Whole foods, mostly plant-based diet - lots of green vegetables, beans/legumes, nuts/seeds, fruit and occasional whole grains. If you suffer with acne, please see the diet tip section here.

* Skin-care Regimen: I recommend Paula's Choice (by Paula Begoun). For basic and effective, well-researched skin-care tips, click here.

* Supplements: Acidophilus, a safe, well-researched, food-based multi-vitamin, vitamin D3, and a pure DHA supplement.

* Lifestyle: Plenty of sleep, sweat-inducing exercise, sunshine, time each day to relax and de-stress, focusing on love, compassion and thankfulness, and keeping a clean, organized environment and life, helps to more easily maintain a healthy, happy life.

* Faith: If you're open to religion, having faith greatly helps with well-being and health. My faith is in Jesus Christ. I had to do much research regarding this decision, but it was worth it! It gives my life meaning, peace, and especially joy. If you have questions, PM me!


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Bobby I like your post, it has some valuable information in it, although I think you should not bring it in this "universal truth" tone, as your pointers may help to get clear for some but not for all. I agree with you that combatting acne is something that has to be done on several fronts. I use the DKR, stay out of the sun or use sunscreen, eat healthy (lots of fruit and vegetables and sometimes add some vitamins), drink alot of water, work out 5 times a week, wash carefully and change pillowcase more than once a week.

My skin is in great health and has improved alot. But I still get some whiteheads every now and then (like two per week average) so there's still some things missing in my personal regimen. According to your post that would mainly be exfoliating (although I do not seem to have flakes anymore since I use Jojoba oil) and adding the oil supplements. I am kind of hesitant about both though, as exfoliating would be using more products on my skin and I try to keep this at a minimum (for skin health, economical and laziness reasons), and eating oil supplements doesn't sound like a good thing to me as I try to avoid eating fats as much as possible (even though these are probably polyunsaturated, they're still extra fats) so I don't become obese.

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Wow, this is very eye opening information. Alot of it are things that I've already heard/know, but it's like all these different factors have all been combined into something understandable and concise. Not elaborate, confusing, or extreme like so many acne-free diets, and regimens. I know that the answer to acne cannot be too complicated.

I also never really thought about the "rich get richer, while the poor get poorer" concept, but it makes perfect sense!! Sometimes you wonder "HOW can they eat that and not have horrible skin?!"

Also, the "dodging bullets" concept is exactly something that I've been thinking about for some time now, but I could not have put it in such good words in a million years!!

Thanks for this great post. God bless

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Hi Bob!

Appreciate you taking time to post your story and your regimen!

your history sounds identical to mine...all the Rx's, natural tx (liver/colon cleansing, etc), veggie/macro/raw diets, Accutane 3x (too! or was it 4...can't remember now), and not to mention bottle/tube/dropper after another of OTCs...ahh the years of wasted efforts....

i stopped my last course of accutane about 2.5 years ago as well and have been seeing my skin turn around since about 6 months ago. but i had the same results as you --> crystal clear skin while i was on it and then it looked like i had smallpox a month after the last pill. imagine the irreparable damage all this has done to our bodies. i was researching oil supplementation as well a few days ago and was thinking of settling down on Udo's choice blends...his "perfect" blend. what do you think of his line and have you considered trying this out rather than buying separate pills?

currently, i have also pared down my regimen to basics though i need heavy moisturization as my skin is very dry on the surface (probably from accutane use).

morning: cetaphil, caudalie grape water (toner), and L'occitane spf 15 daily moisturizing cream

night: cetaphil or Peter Thomas Roth AHA/BHA exfoliating scrub for dark/red marks, caudalie grape water, and vichy oligo 25 moisturizer

even though the Peter Thomas Roth product has "granules" it is polyethylene beads without harsh edges, i VERY lightly swirl this on my face just to get the acids distributed. i found that this works better for me than any other manual technique since i let it sit for no more than 1 minute - just enough to slough off dead skin but not enough to read further down to induce inflammation.

however, i am still not 100% clear...hormonal flare-ups and the tiny ones here and there but i was hoping that supplementation will be the key to success as i also need help with moisturization levels.

so...ramble, ramble, ramble...that is all =)

thanks again, bob!

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Hi Bob!

Appreciate you taking time to post your story and your regimen!

your history sounds identical to mine...all the Rx's, natural tx (liver/colon cleansing, etc), veggie/macro/raw diets, Accutane 3x (too! or was it 4...can't remember now), and not to mention bottle/tube/dropper after another of OTCs...ahh the years of wasted efforts....

i stopped my last course of accutane about 2.5 years ago as well and have been seeing my skin turn around since about 6 months ago. but i had the same results as you --> crystal clear skin while i was on it and then it looked like i had smallpox a month after the last pill. imagine the irreparable damage all this has done to our bodies. i was researching oil supplementation as well a few days ago and was thinking of settling down on Udo's choice blends...his "perfect" blend. what do you think of his line and have you considered trying this out rather than buying separate pills?

currently, i have also pared down my regimen to basics though i need heavy moisturization as my skin is very dry on the surface (probably from accutane use).

morning: cetaphil, caudalie grape water (toner), and L'occitane spf 15 daily moisturizing cream

night: cetaphil or Peter Thomas Roth AHA/BHA exfoliating scrub for dark/red marks, caudalie grape water, and vichy oligo 25 moisturizer

even though the Peter Thomas Roth product has "granules" it is polyethylene beads without harsh edges, i VERY lightly swirl this on my face just to get the acids distributed. i found that this works better for me than any other manual technique since i let it sit for no more than 1 minute - just enough to slough off dead skin but not enough to read further down to induce inflammation.

however, i am still not 100% clear...hormonal flare-ups and the tiny ones here and there but i was hoping that supplementation will be the key to success as i also need help with moisturization levels.

so...ramble, ramble, ramble...that is all =)

thanks again, bob!

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Wow, this is very eye opening information. Alot of it are things that I've already heard/know, but it's like all these different factors have all been combined into something understandable and concise. Not elaborate, confusing, or extreme like so many acne-free diets, and regimens. I know that the answer to acne cannot be too complicated.

I also never really thought about the "rich get richer, while the poor get poorer" concept, but it makes perfect sense!! Sometimes you wonder "HOW can they eat that and not have horrible skin?!"

Also, the "dodging bullets" concept is exactly something that I've been thinking about for some time now, but I could not have put it in such good words in a million years!!

Thanks for this great post. God bless

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Bobby I like your post, it has some valuable information in it, although I think you should not bring it in this "universal truth" tone, as your pointers may help to get clear for some but not for all. I agree with you that combatting acne is something that has to be done on several fronts. I use the DKR, stay out of the sun or use sunscreen, eat healthy (lots of fruit and vegetables and sometimes add some vitamins), drink alot of water, work out 5 times a week, wash carefully and change pillowcase more than once a week.

My skin is in great health and has improved alot. But I still get some whiteheads every now and then (like two per week average) so there's still some things missing in my personal regimen. According to your post that would mainly be exfoliating (although I do not seem to have flakes anymore since I use Jojoba oil) and adding the oil supplements. I am kind of hesitant about both though, as exfoliating would be using more products on my skin and I try to keep this at a minimum (for skin health, economical and laziness reasons), and eating oil supplements doesn't sound like a good thing to me as I try to avoid eating fats as much as possible (even though these are probably polyunsaturated, they're still extra fats) so I don't become obese.

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I have a facial cleanser by Dr. Weil, it's the brand Origins and it's called Plantidote Mega Mushroom Face Cleanser. It's extremely mild...have you used this at all? It works really well for me and I have extremely sensitive skin. Also, when exfoliating do you have go over active pimples? I did that with baking soda...but just plain baking soda with water and it opened up these active pimples and irritated them for days. Do you avoid those areas?

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hi bob,

is it really necessary to take ALL 3 supplements? (primrose, borage, and flax) how many tablets per day for each is adequate?

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