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i am so confused....

i have asian/sensitive/fair skin, any blemish i get will leave eventually turn into a brown spot that lasts forever even long after inflammation has died and gone :(

so obviously the best way to approach this is prevention...

how does anyone in a similar position know what to buy and narrow it down to without having to spend and try most of the products out there? so far i've seen the following products mentioned

LightStim

Tanda

ANSR

Evis MD Platinum Blue Acne Light

Baby Quasar Red & Blue combo Pack

LightWave CS

AcneLamp Blue & Red Single Head

Verilux ClearWave

BeautySkin

There is no way im buying every single product to test it out, even though there are money back guarantees for most of the products. If anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated :boohoo:

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Hi I just wanted to let you all know about the LED light that has helped my skin so much. I went and got a facial and the lady I went to has been working with LED's for the past 10 years. I got 3 treatments and my skin imporved so much that I bought both of her red/infared and blue machines. I searched the internet for weeks and finally found this light. It is the same exact one I bought from her but it has the best lights you can get on the market. It is expensive but I can say I am 100% happy with them. Here is the link

*Moderator edit, URL removed - read the board rules. *

I am even thinking about upgrading to the one the cost $600.00 because I love the small one so much. The red/infrared light also prevents wrinkles and you can shape your face with it by lifting when applying the red light around your eyes and cheeks.

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I bought some derma rollers rollers from this company and they sent me a flyer this weekend.

They are advertising a new photo therapy product or home use.It is $100 and has 3 detachable heads.I might give it a go after readinh the comments here.I have seen a big improvement in my lines since I started rolling.

*Moderator edit, URL removed - read the board rules. *

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I have the nature bright clarity http://www.naturebright.com/clarity.php

and a led man tri array.

I've been using both 1x a day for a week or so.

My skin is improving but i dont know if thats down to my better use of BP or not? I was very lax previously about using BP every day...

I'll keep using BP for a few more weeks, then start weaning off it.

Wouldnt it be great to be acne free withput BP and all its awful feeling on the skin?

Anyone else get god results from these lamps?

how long do you use them for? 10mins a day?


What works for me...

1 - Accutane. But if i could go back id never touch the stuff. And it only worked for 2 years.

2 - Dans BP 2.5% Failsafe.

3 - Naturebright lamp - 4mins per side of face - 3x per week - Godsend! :)

4 - Very clean, very short trimmed nails - im a picker!! :(

What matters...

Its a cliche but get comfortable with yourself. Be confident. Sedona method did it for me. Try it, you might be pleasantly surprised. Maybe it wasnt what 'did it' for me but i am a completely diff person from 3 or 4 yrs ago...


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Ok.. So is it safe to use BP (2.5%) and the light??? I'm using the Lumi. Just started. I've also just started using BP at night and considering using the light at a different time of the day.. If it's safe. BP is light sensitive, right?

merkodn x

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I recently tried the Lumie Clear. It's reported that you may see signs of improvment after 4 weeks but to see a real result you have to use it for at least 12 weeks - 15 mins a day. I began well, making sure to fit it in to my day - on the days I missed it I just upped the time to 30 mins the next day to compensate, which I have read is advisable. I suffer with Cysts but the rest of my skin looks fairly good most of the time. This potentialy helped heal my cysts quicker ( I bought it out of desperation whilst suffering from a really bad flare up) I did notice lots of little spots started to appear on my cheek area where there once had been nothing. This happened after about 6 weeks and I then went on to use a retin A product to sort out the little spots all over my cheeks. (I might add Retin A isn't doing anything for my cysts. If anything they have got worse). I cannot use the Lumie Clear whilst using Retin A but I am seriously considering trying it again. It just needs persistance, like most things that eventually work no doubt. Will update if and when I have made it to the 12 week period.x

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anyone got this one, it is very pricey!!! but it looks like da bomb!!

http://www.beautyskinuk.co.uk/?gclid=CJ6pw...CFQEY4Qode22zAw


Morning

Brush teeth with non Flouride or non SLS toothpaste, sensodyne original

Dans Cleanser

Dans New Moisturiser with a drop of Dans Joba Joba Oil

Oral shot of Apple Cider Vinegar

Spot treat with the lumiport pen if i get time

Evening

One Minocin Pill

Brush teeth with non Flouride or non SLS toothpaste, sensodyne original

Dans Cleanser

Back using BP as an experiment

Dans New Moisturiser with a drop of Dans Joba Joba Oil / Dans AHA+ every second night

Oral shot of Apple Cider Vinegar

Apple Cider Vinegar applied to acne

using the Lumie Clear when i can

My log


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which is better the lumie clear or the naturebright? both very cheap (200 euro) and getting some handy reviews..


Morning

Brush teeth with non Flouride or non SLS toothpaste, sensodyne original

Dans Cleanser

Dans New Moisturiser with a drop of Dans Joba Joba Oil

Oral shot of Apple Cider Vinegar

Spot treat with the lumiport pen if i get time

Evening

One Minocin Pill

Brush teeth with non Flouride or non SLS toothpaste, sensodyne original

Dans Cleanser

Back using BP as an experiment

Dans New Moisturiser with a drop of Dans Joba Joba Oil / Dans AHA+ every second night

Oral shot of Apple Cider Vinegar

Apple Cider Vinegar applied to acne

using the Lumie Clear when i can

My log


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Should I still use blue-red therapy while on topical tretinoin? If I do use both, what are signs to watch out for that my skin might not be reacting well with the combination treatment and that I should simply use either or? If I've been on topical tretinoin for about 6-7 months and it hasn't been much help (albeit I was on only 0.01% for the first 4-5 months and now I've been on 0.025% for about 8 weeks), should I prioritize blue-red light therapy over topical tretinoin treatment?

Thanks!

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I wish I had found this place before I ordered my blue light product. *Blue Acne LED Phototherapy Photon Light-12"X12" Array*

To be fair I asked them about the LEDs being 465nm and not the 415nm and they said in their tests these were better, they also offered to refund my money as the unit was not yet dispatched. I did Google in a panic and read up on blue light and must of got the impression it would still work as I told them to send it.

I was going to continue using it but much to my utter dismay I stumbled across this 'ALL BLUE LED Grow Light Panel 225 LED, an identical unit for growing plants, and a quarter of the price too. I think the Ebay seller have just decided to call them acne lamps and make a nice profit from them.

Would I be a complete idiot sat there for half an hour a day with a plant lamp glowing on my face or do you think it is still worth a try. Light at that wavelength does kill several strains of bacteria and I have a serious bacteria problem with my nose rather than acne - so perhaps it might clear that up.

thanks

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Are you talking about the omnilux? They have the blue light for acne and the red light for lines and sun damage, large poors etc. I always use the blue light and it does work really good but you have to use it consistently which i am not good at.

The red light draws out all the bacteria and mkaes you break out a lot at first which is why i never tried it and i never will :s

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LEDs that produces blue light are plentiful and cheap. LEDs that produces violet light are expensive and are hard to come by.

There is a lot of unethical companies out there exploiting acne sufferers by selling them blue LEDs that is ineffective in killing acne bacteria. The right color should be violet which is a lower wavelength.

Beware of cheap products. They are probably shipping you blue LEDs.

Please do some research and find out how light below 420nm looks like. It doesnt look blue at all.

If your light looks blue, it is ineffective.

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im looking into buying one of these lamps - but i want one of the larger sized ones (like the BeautySkin or the nature bright) my issue is that i cant find the nature bright clarity skin rejuvination light anywhere for sale. i live in the UK. does anyone know where i can get a decent sized red/blue light from in the UK (online) or any brand i havent found yet! I was looking at second had ones on ebay also but was worried whether or not the flourescent tubes loose the efficiency after time, and if so how long is a time you need to replace the bulbs? do they last longer than the LEDs?

thanks

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Where is verilux sold? I have moderate/severe acne, and think this could work. I am in the UK. Any ideas are much appreciated smile.gif thanks!

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What is it?

Blue/red light acne treatment is an acne treatment for mild/moderate acne where you shine bright 'blue' (actually it's violet) and red lights on your skin to prevent new acne spots. It's thought to be safe, and improves acne by ~75% for 80% of people over 3 months. Another 10% of people see some improvement. This is comparable or better to BP, and similar to other treatments like antibiotics.

The violet light kills a bacteria called P.Acnes- this is the bacteria that is killed by most acne treatment- removal of the bacteria greatly improves your skin and prevents most acne. The light activates a porphoryn in the bacteria that isn't present in human skin, and the bacteria cooks itself.

The red light is anti-inflammatory and improves healing and increases the rate of production of collagen (giving a handy gentle facelift/antiwrinkling effect that lasts as long as you keep treating). Skin tone ends up better than normal on this treatment, a nice side-effect. It also helps heal up red marks; >10% or more faster.

Does it work?

For pictures see: (managing director of Androv); he got pretty good clearance.

also http://www.caci.co.n...rary/100060.pdf (they're a couple of people who have had only violet light treatment- blue/red light treatment gives slightly better clearance and results.)

There's been one major published study in the UK:

http://www.wasauna.c...ght/journal.pdf

This involved 120 people using the light everyday, at home. Also, quite a few people have tried this form of treatment to good success. Yes, it really works.

That study used fluorescent tubes, but LEDs seem to work just as well: LED study.

Also other studies: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...l=pubmed_docsum and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...l=pubmed_docsum

How do I get this treatment?

You need *really* almost stupidly bright blue/red lights for this to work. To get intense enough light you need to buy special lamps. Or you could go to a dermatologist, but I do not recommend that, it's nearly always much more expensive, awkward to travel to, and works less well. Plus if you buy the lamps you can use them for years, for little or no extra cost. If your acne improves you can sell them on ebay or something.

Any of these products will probably work (note: light is light, don't expect expensive ones to work any better, they won't)

BeautySkin

http://www.acnelamp.com/

http://www.acnestar.co.uk/

http://www.lumiport.com

http://www.naturebri..._care_lamp.html

Verilux happyskin acne light

The more powerful the lights are, the less time you need to spend treating, but your acne won't be any better or worse.

n.b. small handheld LED lights that only cover a small area mean you can spend ages treating; I think most people are better off with lamps that can cover a large area.

Also:

http://www.kaliszinc...e_treatment.htm

(Sci/Art Lamps- or it's cheaper to just buy the dichroic bulbs and holders: http://www.acne.org/...hp...5113&st=77))

They sell dichroic lamps these seem to work, or at least a few people here have claimed that they did.

They also ship LED lamps. But the LEDs that have been shipped are a deep blue, at 470nm. These should not work since it is incapable of killing the acne bacteria. The colour that works is a deep violet colour at 405-420nm; 470nm is too far off. They claim that they will be shipping a violet lamp later on, but until they do, avoid this type at all costs.

How quickly does it work?

You'll see some improvement in a few days; that's mainly the red light acting. However the violet light will kill the P.Acnes almost completely in the first few days or so.

It will then take a good 12 weeks for the pores to completely unblock themselves and the skin to grow and the red marks to fade. In the meantime you will continue to get acne; but at an ever slowing rate. Most people don't notice any effect for the first 6 weeks, because normal variation in acne covers the effect. Some people don't get good clearance till the 12th week. Under no circumstances give up!

How long should I use the lights for?

You should follow the instructions. Some people find that using the lights slightly less than indicated gives better results (e.g. 10 minutes instead of 15). It seems to be a bad idea to use the lights longer than the manufacturer says, it tends to irritate the skin slightly and if anything causes more acne.

You should use the lights once a day (everyday!) You can however use the lights up to twice a day. So, if you miss a day, you can top up with two treatments, several hours apart the following day. Try to average 7 treatments a week.

Once your acne clears, as with benzoyl peroxide or antibiotics you need to keep using the lamp at least a few times a week.

Is it safe?

None of these lamps produce dangerous amounts of ultraviolet. Scientific experiments indicate that neither blue nor red light causes cancer.

There is a report that some of the lamps might cause a slight tan in asian or mexican people. The fluorescent lamps produce small amounts of UV-A (about the same amount per day as standing outside in the sun for 1 minute). If that's a concern, choose one of the non fluorescent lamps.

It is very important to keep the violet light out of your eyes. It's thought that normal blue light even in sunlight gradually damages the retina, so 100% protection against the blue light is essential. Closing your eyes is probably not sufficient. The lamps generally come with goggles, but at a pinch painting some swimming goggles or wrap them in aluminium foil would be good.

It's really expensive isn't it?

No, it's cheaper than benzoyl peroxide including the washes and moisturisers you need to use for that.

Sure, if you were to go to a dermatologist to have blue/red treatment, then yes it's often really expensive.

But if you buy your lamp, it's reasonably cheap. If you add up the cost of BP, moisturisers and cleansers over a couple of years you will find it comes to more than the cost of the lamps, particularly the cheaper lamps.

Who has used it on Acne.org?

Worked (i.e. >75% clearance):

biochembabe (Sci/art dichroic), wolfkeeper (dermalux), GTO, seamus (Sci/art dichroic), delboy, Locked In Grace, stanno(beautyskin), DeeAgony, Ronin (beautyskin), Rupert (dermalux)

At least some improvement (e.g. 50%):

don't look, timmytim, kanmi

Failed:

Posh, B24K, Le Chiffre (dermalux)

(Posh didn't follow the instructions correctly, and gave up early, but I've still counted it as a failure; B24K saw some improvement but not enough to justify further treatment).

Anything else I need to know?

You can use it with most other treatments, except Accutane. It's important that you face is clean when you use it though. It may be a useful adjunct to tetracycline antibiotics- these antibiotics are 'bacteriostatic' in other words they don't kill the bacteria they just hold it at bay; whereas this treatment kills them. So the combination is likely to be a good one.

Overtreating:

Some people with very sensitive skin seem to get a slight irritation/redness from their lights. This doesn't seem harmful, but indicates that they need to reduce the time. People that fail to reduce the time if this happens seem to get much less improvement. However even then the lights don't seem to be harmful- people have fallen asleep in front of their lamps for over an hour without anything really bad happening (i.e. no 'sunburn' or peeling,) but it's not a way to calm skin. Used sensibly blue/red light calms skin down and this seems to give less acne.

Particular products:

- I personally do not recommend buying a dermastyle pen; the beam is very narrow and the manufacturers make IMHO misleading claims as to its effectiveness (Chu's study says that it takes about 3 months to clear acne, NOT a few days- there is absolutely no evidence of any noticeable reduction in acne in his study results that quickly.) These blue/red light products largely prevent new acne in a region, and that's difficult with a pen-size treatment. It might work if you only have acne in very, very limited regions; but the vast majority of people's acne isn't like that.

- Dermalux lamps work (they're the same as Dr. Chu's study). The Beautyskin is basically the same product, and uses essentially the same kind of bulbs. You can even swap the bulbs between the units.

Lumiport has recently launched a new product called the Dermastyle Pulse that has a bigger treatment area. The Pulse allows you to treat using red, blue or red/blue light combined without having to change heads. The Pulse also allows you to do a full or spot treatment. Lumiport was voted "Most Wanted Skincare Product" by INSTYLE magazine, and has been clinically proven.

If you have any questions I would be happy to answer them.

-Lumiport Team

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Redspot- We do not use UV lights in our products. We use high powered LED's. Please feel free to contact with any additional questions you may have.

Lumiport

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After buying a Tanda Zap and determining that blue light works for me, I've done a lot of research, and have narrowed it down to the following:

1. Dimaluxe: Blue and Red Acne Lamp for $200: 70 LEDs. If money were no object, I would buy the triple head for $600. Reasoning: This company makes professional medical equipment. If money were no object, would also consider the Britebox for $700.

2. Bright Pad by Bright Therapy for $200:

36 415nm Blue LED lights, 36 red, and 12 infrared LEDs, for $200. No replacing heads, hands free.

3. Sirius Aurora or Bright Therapy-SR11A for $130-150: Handheld, Red, Blue, and Green heads, and the heads last up to 10,000 hours. There are a few companies selling this multi-head handheld under different brands, price is good. Also, it plugs in, so I do not have to worry about a rechargeable battery dying.

4. Tanda Clear, $275 with the Red and Blue head, $200 with just Blue. Reports that battery dies before the heads do. But the Tanda Zap works for me, without a doubt, so I would consider the Clear. Maybe the Heat and Sonic Vibrations help.

Good luck all, I will update with my decision and results.

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