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Posted 23 May 2007 - 03:53 AM

This post is awesome!! Thanks so much smile.gif

I have a question - my derm has prescribed Kojic Acid last week to make the pigmentation marks go away. As I apply BP twice a day (Regimen) when do I apply the Kojic acid? I can't apply it at anytime apart from morning and night.

Also, will Kojic Acid react with the BP and cause a breakout?

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 08:14 AM

Hmm, I'm not even sure if kojic acid can be used simultaneously with BP--you should talk to your derm about the best way to incorporate it in, if at all. Alternatively, you might forgo the kojic acid for a couple of months while you get going on the regimen, and then drop down to one application of BP a day and use kojic acid at the other time of day.

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 12:36 PM

Thanks - I'll ask her the next time I see her (in 2 weeks). I use the regimen twice a day and can't use K along with it. But I'm scared to stop it completely cos the dark marks will never go away sad.gif

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Posted 29 May 2007 - 02:59 AM

Do you HAVE to use BP in the morning? I always felt using BP in the morning was a little much because I have to use a moisturizer and then a sunscreen after. I don't like the idea of having too much products on my face at one time.

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Posted 19 July 2007 - 04:43 PM

thanks kim.. i am 41 and just recenly have been having many breakouts.. not as bad as when i was a teen but bad enough.. i was actually following the program with the 2.5% bp for about 2 to 3 weeks and my acne seems to have been drying up.. but i still am having breakouts and was considering trying a new product.. thanks for showing that i may need some patience.. vicki

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 09:15 PM

i Love DKR!

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 05:26 PM

i am so glad i read all of this, now i am confident about fighting the war with acne.
and i am wondering if i take Dan's regimen,and using accutane at the same time,would my skin heal better

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 06:28 PM

QUOTE(Eric Lin @ Jul 30 2007, 06:26 PM) View Post
i am so glad i read all of this, now i am confident about fighting the war with acne.
and i am wondering if i take Dan's regimen,and using accutane at the same time,would my skin heal better

No, don't do that! If you're on Accutane, do no use the DKR at the same time. You can use the DKR after Accutane if your acne starts coming back, of course, but you should just let Accutane do its thing if you're on it. Neither treatment works instantly, either, so you're not going to clear up faster by using both, but you will risk doing damage to your skin.

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 02:50 PM

QUOTE(cool as kim deal @ Sep 24 2006, 06:11 AM) View Post
When I encountered acne.org back in December 2005, I was depressed and desperate. I had recently turned 20 and I had worse acne than I did back in high school. Birth control didn't help get rid of the painful red bumps scattered all over my face, six months of Proactiv didn't help, medicated washes didn't help, spot-treating didn't help, masks didn't help, salicyclic acid lotions didn't help, and I was terrified of the prospect of going to a dermatologist to be prescribed antibiotics that would cause me painful yeast infections. I was dubious about the regimen because I had used benzoyl peroxide in the past as part of Proactiv, but I also didn't have any other accessible acne treatment options, and I was completely sick of my skin. I read all about Dan's gel, browsed dozens of reviews and testimonials, and decided to open up my wallet and take a risk. I ordered two tubes of Dan's gel, figuring that I didn't have much to lose besides a little money.

The regimen sure enough ended up working for me, and so I keep coming back here to help out other people who feel angry/depressed/confused/frustrated about their skin. I can't say enough about getting yourself into the right state of mind to try the regimen, so I want to use this thread to prepare people for it in an honest, realistic way. The DKR works wonders, but if your expectations are too high, you are impatient, or you experiment with other things at the same time, you will run into problems.

Start off on the right foot with recommended products, and get rid of your old acne topicals. Just because you have the Proactiv acne scrub or your mom's face cream lying around doesn't mean that you should try them with the regimen! I know it's frustrating to spend money on things that don't work, but it's better to get rid of your old ineffective products than to try to start the regimen with them. Wait until you can get all the proper supplies and then begin the regimen, rather than using some 10% BP you have lying around or other old products that might interfere with your results. If you can't bear to throw them away, put them somewhere where you won't be tempted to use them while you try the regimen. I strongly recommend ordering Dan's gel to begin with so that you start with the best (and most cost-effective) product available. If you live outside of the US or aren't comfortable ordering off the internet, then pick up another 2.5% benzoyl peroxide (like Neutrogena On-the-Spot) from a drugstore, but Dan's gel is so much gentler, better-textured, and cheaper that you should try to start with it if possible. I believe I saw good results relatively quickly because I started off with Dan's gel.

Your acne will not clear up instantly on the DKR. If you actually do see miraculous clearing within days of starting (as some people on the boards claim), please realize that you have likely not seen the last of your acne. BP dries out your acne at first, but then you aren't using enough during your first week or two to actually prevent future breakouts, so they will probably come back until you have upped your dosage enough and held it at that level for a while. I still had breakouts for the first 6 or 7 weeks on the regimen, and many people take even longer before they clear. My pimples started disappearing more quickly and weren't as severe at that point, but acne is still acne. Be prepared to give the DKR a three month trial, and be prepared to still have acne for most of that time.

It is more important to get your skin used to the benzoyl peroxide for the first month or so than to actually achieve clear skin. It is better to go slowly and take more time to work your way up to a full-finger application than to use too much gel too soon and backpedal because of irritation and dryness. Even if you've used benzoyl peroxide before in other systems, you probably were not using nearly as much BP as you will be on the regimen. I had used both the Proactiv face wash and lotion twice a day for six months and plenty of 10% BP creams in the past, and still, my skin took time to adjust to the small amount of BP I started with. Follow Dan's recommendations for BP dosage--or use even less if you feel that your skin is overly irritated. You might not clear up as quickly as you want, but you can avoid many of the problems that new regimen users complain about by going easy with the BP.

Try not to think about your skin. When you start clearing up a little but not completely, you might hold your skin to a higher standard than you did before and become more frustrated with it. If you are constantly obsessing over a new breakout or thinking about how you're not clear yet, you might even do things that interfere with the regimen. Resist the temptation to check your skin out in mirrors all the time or to pick at active acne! Aside from reapplying moisturizer as necessary, you don't want to be touching your face; the best way to do this is to not think about you skin at all. Don't dwell on why you're not clear yet and don't worry about some visible flakes or redness. Think about what your skin will be like in a few months, not how it is now, and know that breakouts or dryness right now won't matter at all in a short time.

Peeling, redness, and flaking will eventually go away, but it may take a couple of months and some product changes. Let's be honest: your skin just probably won't look that great while you are beginning the regimen. You'll still have active acne, your skin will be drier, you might have flakes or areas of redness, your skin might look parched, it's just not a pretty picture at the start. Many people think that it gets worse before it gets better, and I agree. You just have to power on through it and look to the future. You can try switching cleansers and moisturizers to help with flaking or redness problems, but please realize that you can only do so much while you are still adjusting to BP. Even with the best recommended products, for the first few months you will still deal with some degree of redness, dryness, and flaking. Those problems do go away eventually! Again, try not to dwell on the state of your skin or do things that are counterproductive in the meantime.

Don't be tempted by other treatments while on the regimen. Other acne treatments like salicyclic acid (beta hydroxy acid) or sulfur can compoud your irritation with the regimen, so don't touch those at all, especially while you are still adjusting to the regimen, In fact, BP deactivates topical retinoid products aside from Differin, so you definitely can't have those on your face at the same time! When you see an acne face wash at a store, just skip right over it and purchase something unmedicated. Even though you think you might get clear faster by using multiple treatments, you'll just end up with lots more irritation and perhaps even more acne than if you had just stuck with BP. Other kinds of skin treatments tend to do more harm than good. Scrubs can tear up your skin, masks are overdrying, and homemade facial concoctions are ineffective at best. Some people really like the idea of natural skincare and want to incorporate in things like aloe vera and tea tree oil, but the results from adding in extra steps like these to the regimen seem to be by and large unsuccessful. Just keep in mind that if you insist on using more products and aren't getting the results you hope for, the first thing Dan, Brandy, and other regimen veterans will tell you is to get back to basics and ditch the extras. Alpha hydroxy acids (AHAs) such as lactic acid or glycolic acid moisturizers really do help with flaking and dryness, but you should wait until your skin is used to the full dose of BP before trying these. The more complicated the regimen, the harder it is to figure out where it goes wrong!

If you can't make time to do the regimen morning and night, then the DKR is not for you. Twice a day, every day. If you do the regimen only once a day, leave out steps, go through the process hastily, or miss applications, then you should expect less than ideal results. I skipped a couple non-consecutive applications due to late-night partying and timing of washes recently, and what do you know--even after nine months of straight DKR use, I still got some small pimples by my mouth. Slacking off is fine so long as you are willing to pay the price, but again, it is an actual price. If you balk at setting aside a good half-hour each morning and evening to wash your face, apply BP, allow it to absorb, and moisturize, then you should look into other acne treatment options. Patience and diligence is absolutely key.

Don't expect a flawless complexion when all your acne is gone. Many people complain about redmarks and scars and how the regimen doesn't address these acne artifacts. It's simply not that easy! An AHA used once or twice a day over several months can help fade hyperpigmentation, but it might not be enough to get your skin completely mark-free, especially if you had moderate-severe acne before the regimen. I didn't even know I had acne scarring until I had cleared up, and then I had a whole new skin problem that I had never thought about before! Now I have accepted that I can't do much about my mild scarring without spending lots of money on treatments, and that even so, my skin still looks so much better now than it did a year ago. So when you do clear up, please don't expect to have baby butt smooth, unblemished skin. Have realistic expectations about what your acne-free skin will look like. I much prefer easily concealable light marks and minor dents over big red inflamed pimples, but if you feel otherwise, then don't bother treating your acne.

Breakouts can still happen. I still get small pimples nine months later when I slack off, as I have not grown out of acne. The regimen can keep virtually all acne at bay when you follow it diligently, but even so, you might still get little pimples in problem areas once in a while. The more persistent your acne, the bigger the consequences of missing an application and the more likely minor breakouts might continue. In order to maintain clear skin, you will need to keep buying cleanser, BP, and moisturizer, keep making time to do the regimen morning and night, and keep being gentle with your skin. The regimen effectively prevents acne, but if you stop, your pimples will come back (unless you have grown out of acne). It is up to you to decide if you can stick with the regimen for the long haul.


I browsed through the bold statements, but didn't read the rest. Just by reading the bold I could tell you knew whatsup..I couldn't have said it better myself. Good advice.....NEW PEOPLE, READ THIS AND FOLLOW IT RELIGIOUSLY

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 02:53 PM

This was a wonderfully beautiful and inspiring thing to read! I am starting the "regimen" tonight, and I am no stranger to "taking my time". I recently withdrew from Paxil, and it took half a year! After going through THAT, the possibility of seeing results in only three months is amazing to me. I am excited but ready for this to be a long-term thing.

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 01:24 PM

I just started using DKR for only a few days. I am having itchy, red and burning sensation on the 3rd day. I had to use Cetaphil (cream) to calm my irritated face. And I was about to give up and I saw this post. I feel somewhat encouraged to continue using the DKR.
Can I use BP only once a day or should I continue using it 2 times. I also noticed that after doing Bikram Yoga (hot yoga) and sweating a lot, my face burns more.
Should I use/not use BP while doing yoga? Any suggestions/help/advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot.
emi

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 06:00 PM

QUOTE(emi07 @ Sep 17 2007, 02:24 PM) View Post
I just started using DKR for only a few days. I am having itchy, red and burning sensation on the 3rd day. I had to use Cetaphil (cream) to calm my irritated face. And I was about to give up and I saw this post. I feel somewhat encouraged to continue using the DKR.
Can I use BP only once a day or should I continue using it 2 times. I also noticed that after doing Bikram Yoga (hot yoga) and sweating a lot, my face burns more.
Should I use/not use BP while doing yoga? Any suggestions/help/advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot.
emi

I wonder if you might be allergic or are just using a bit too much BP to start with. I think doing a patch test behind your ear would be a good idea. Discontinue the regimen for now, and apply a small amount BP periodically behind one of your ears for a couple of days. If you have the same itching/burning sensation there and it persists, then I'd wager that you're allergic to BP. If the patch test goes fine, though, then you can start back up again with BP, but I'd only use a very small amount twice a day, perhaps even smaller than Dan's recommended initial amount, and ramp up very slowly. You might just do your applications in the evening so that you aren't feeling as uncomfortable during yoga, too. I don't usually feel any burning beyond normal flushing while exercising, but then again, I tend to work out later in the day, long after my morning application of BP so I could see it being a little more intense earlier on in the day.

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 11:16 AM

QUOTE(cool as kim deal @ Sep 17 2007, 05:00 PM) View Post
QUOTE(emi07 @ Sep 17 2007, 02:24 PM) View Post
I just started using DKR for only a few days. I am having itchy, red and burning sensation on the 3rd day. I had to use Cetaphil (cream) to calm my irritated face. And I was about to give up and I saw this post. I feel somewhat encouraged to continue using the DKR.
Can I use BP only once a day or should I continue using it 2 times. I also noticed that after doing Bikram Yoga (hot yoga) and sweating a lot, my face burns more.
Should I use/not use BP while doing yoga? Any suggestions/help/advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot.
emi

I wonder if you might be allergic or are just using a bit too much BP to start with. I think doing a patch test behind your ear would be a good idea. Discontinue the regimen for now, and apply a small amount BP periodically behind one of your ears for a couple of days. If you have the same itching/burning sensation there and it persists, then I'd wager that you're allergic to BP. If the patch test goes fine, though, then you can start back up again with BP, but I'd only use a very small amount twice a day, perhaps even smaller than Dan's recommended initial amount, and ramp up very slowly. You might just do your applications in the evening so that you aren't feeling as uncomfortable during yoga, too. I don't usually feel any burning beyond normal flushing while exercising, but then again, I tend to work out later in the day, long after my morning application of BP so I could see it being a little more intense earlier on in the day.


Thanks for your advice.


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Posted 20 September 2007 - 10:53 PM

QUOTE(emi07 @ Sep 17 2007, 12:24 PM) View Post
I just started using DKR for only a few days. I am having itchy, red and burning sensation on the 3rd day. I had to use Cetaphil (cream) to calm my irritated face. And I was about to give up and I saw this post. I feel somewhat encouraged to continue using the DKR.
Can I use BP only once a day or should I continue using it 2 times. I also noticed that after doing Bikram Yoga (hot yoga) and sweating a lot, my face burns more.
Should I use/not use BP while doing yoga? Any suggestions/help/advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot.
emi


Hey Kim,

I need some serious advice..

I have been on Dans Regiment for 7 weeks and I have not seen much improvement...

Actually it has gotten worse.. my lower cheeks, jawline broke out pretty bad..but my upper
cheeks and forehead are pretty clear (for now)..

I eat healthy, switch my tooth paste to non fluoride, am super gentle with my face, change pillow case every other day, dont touch my face, take supplements, etc...

I dont know what to do redface.gif

Here is my regimen


Morning

Dans facial cleanser
Dans BP
Dans Moisturizer
Cetaphil SPF 15


Night
Dans facial cleanser
Dans BP
aha lotion
Dans Moisturizer


Supplements
Fish Oil - about 3-4
50mg Zinc
just started Apple Cider Vinegar pills
Multi vitamin

Lots of water and a tea called Kumbucha


I wanted to go back to Pro Active of try other regimens that I have been reading about

ie. Clean & Clear Continuous Control Acne Cleanser (10% Benzoyl Peroxide Acne Medication) and Clean & Clear Blackhead Clearing Scrub (Salicylic Acid 2%)

OR
This regimen

Morning:
Wash with Clearasil Daily Face Wash (Oil free for Sensitive Skin)
Apply whatever light day lotion you prefer (I use the Eucerin Renewal)
If desired in the beginning dap 10% BP cream on active pimples - but do NOT spread around to the rest of your face.

Night:
Wash with Clearasil Daily Face Wash again
Wash with St. Ives Apricot Scub (your skin will feel so soft and silky after rinsing it off!)
Apply Dove Sensitive Essentials Night Cream
Again, in the beginning if desired, dap 10% BP cream ONLY to active pimples with a Q-tip to help dry them out, do NOT spread around.

Once a week: Use Queen Helene Grape Seed Extract Peel Off Masque


I am so confused..need some guidance

I got so desperate that I bought the lumiport pen light ($150)

Please advise!!!!

-b

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Posted 09 October 2007 - 11:34 AM

I recently stumbled on Dan's site and currently trying out the Regimen... I guess i started on too quickly with too much BP and now my face is too irritated redface.gif cry.gif cry.gif . This topic sure is helpful in keeping me from quitting altogether.

I have to keep in mind to be patient. I am looking forward to clear days whistling.gif) just hanging in here despite all the itchiness, the swelling and the redness. Will try to go easy on BP and up the notch as soon as my face adjusts to it.


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Posted 15 October 2007 - 11:55 AM

I just signed up on here today, and ordered the stuff to start the regime - hope it comes soon. While I didn't want to heer it can take like 7 months, I do like to hear from real people that it works...

Here is hoping..

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Posted 10 November 2007 - 12:00 PM

Great post and thank you - before receiving Dan's products this past week, I had been using on-the-spot with a moisturizer that contains salicyclic acid for about a month, not realizing that this may have made things worse. I was going to finish it up before switching to Dan's moisturizer but now have thrown it out and switching immediately.

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Posted 10 November 2007 - 06:22 PM

Thank you, this is exactly what I needed to read today when I'm frustrated and worried about drying skin and flakiness. It's only been 3 weeks on the regime for me so I think I just need to relax at this stage more than anything else smile.gif

I love the bit about stop looking at your skin in the mirror and picking at it - very good advice for me!!

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 04:08 PM

definitely what i needed to read right now..... i had an unsuccessful stint with the regimen a year ago, quit, and start over again a few months ago, but i tried to modify it how i see fit and ended up with lackluster results. i needed this encouragement. smile.gif

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 06:37 PM

This is exactly what I needed to read! Thank you for that great post! biggrin.gif

Mixing a salicylic acid-like treatment with the Regimen BLEW MY FACE UP BIG TIME. ANY treatment of acne takes at least 2 months to determine results. There's no reason to get hasty, or you'll end up like me three weeks ago. redface.gif not fun.

For one reason or another, your environment, diet, or hormones can also skew results.

But all things taken aside, BP seems to be the only thing that works for me. I'm so glad I found this site. amused.gif




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