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Hi. I have had a big success needling the few acne scars I have. These scars are boxcar types, or craters I guess. Anyway, head on they never looked bad. But when I held a mirror and let indirect light, or shadows fall on them from an angle, they used to look like deep indentations. Now, after a few needling sessions, they have been reduced significantly. To the point where it is hard to notice any indentation even in the most harsh light, shadow, or angle. I'm really surprised and overjoyed at the results form needling. Especially since I have been plagued by these scars for over twenty years and have had every procedure known to man performed on them in the past with basically no results.

I also have a few scarred pores which create a wierd type design on my face. You know, a few here and there, connected to the the lapidal folds, which create a minor roadmap look. Anyway, does anyone know, or has anyone successfully needled scarred pores? Thanks in advance for your replies.James

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I was wondering this too. After my wedding I am going to try, so I can't do anything until mid July. I can't wait. I am so sick of this. Honestly, I would think that needling would work for scarred pores. I'm so happy to hear it has worked for your boxcar scars. How long was your downtime when you needled James? Did you have a lot of scars that you needled? Thanks for your help!

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Hi James,

I am very happy to hear that needeling has worked for your scars! That is very encouraging for me. I have had some scars for the last 20 years that have tormented me off an on. It's not fun.

I hope it works on scared pores.

I'm wondering if a person who suffers from rosacea/inflammation can have needeling done for scars?

Did you get the needeling done by a doctor? If so, what kind?

Peace.

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Hi All,

I did the needling myself with needles I bought at the local Walgreens Pharmacy.

I have waited one full month in between needling sessions.

After the needling the scars were bright red for about a week, than faded back to normal quickly. I used my wifes make-up to cover the redness completely.

I think if your scars are red to begin with the needling will help. You are creating new collegen at that spot afterall.

I only needled a few scars becuase that is all I have ( besides some minor scarred pores I will try next). As I said, the scars were craters, that looked fairly deep in bad light/shadow/angles. etc. Now they look 80% (at least) improved.

Lastly, there is an excellent thread here somewhere, do a search, on needling. The do's, don'ts etc. I followed it's advice to the letter.

Let's see if it works on scarred pores. Of course it will take at least 2 months to report results, if any. Thanks, James

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I was intrigued by your post, mostly becasue of your sucess, but also because your observatsions on scar appearance is spot on with mine. If I look straight on (close up with my reading glasses) using 2 mirrors in bathroom (one mirror is from medicine cabinet), I see no indents. It is only when I move my head to see from various angles that the indents look bad. Same thing with lighting; it looks ok in direct sun or overhead lighted room, but awful in bright indirect light coming in at an angle or form the side.

One way I know that Fraxel is working for me is that when I do the "bathroom angle test" on my best side by moving my head to get the worst view, the indents are really getting harder to notice. I wish I could say the same about the other side, so I may give needling a try if these left side scars still bother me after Fraxel.

I am hesitant to try because I don't want to make things worse. Scarring is such a hard thing to assess. My wife and a few friends say they can hardly notice any scars. And, when I am in bathroom obsessing, I really need to get close and use reading glasses to assess my progress. Yet, there are cetain anlges in bad lighting where it looks really bad to me.

Congrats


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James, CONGRATULATIONS! Being that your screen name is apropos to your personality and perspective, I believe that when you see positive results, there REALLY is improvement! I just have one question after reading the needling thread you suggested: there is some discrepancy about how many times & at what angles to needle the scars. Could you describe YOUR technique very briefly (e.g. did you "jack hammer" dozens of times at different angles, including the borders (a la Gumby) or just go straight in with the needle 5 or 6 times like many others?) That, I think, is the only point in the thread on which I couldn't get a handle. Many thanks and, again, CONGRATULATIONS! I hope you have as stellar results with your pores!!!! :D

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James, CONGRATULATIONS! Being that your screen name is apropos to your personality and perspective, I believe that when you see positive results, there REALLY is improvement! I just have one question after reading the needling thread you suggested: there is some discrepancy about how many times & at what angles to needle the scars. Could you describe YOUR technique very briefly (e.g. did you "jack hammer" dozens of times at different angles, including the borders (a la Gumby) or just go straight in with the needle 5 or 6 times like many others?) That, I think, is the only point in the thread on which I couldn't get a handle. Many thanks and, again, CONGRATULATIONS! I hope you have as stellar results with your pores!!!! :D

I'm glad you have seen results with the needling! I know you have been around and tried many things so that is great. I am interested in your style of needling too, like how many times did you hit each scar and the angles. Also what kind of aftercare did you use- copper peptides, neosporin?

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Hi All,

I didn't "jackhammer" the scars. I simply stuck the needle in about 10 or 15 times in each scar. It bled pretty bad. I wiped it off with cotton soaked in alcohol. I stick the needle mostly in the center of the scar, but do stick it on the edges, basically on every part of the scar. I just stick it straight in, not at any particular angle.

Tonight I needled the scarred pores. I was bit more aggresive on them. Interestingly, I did hear the popping sound that some report as I needled my scarred pores. On the craters, I never have.

After needling I have not used any aftercare (except I apply alcohol on a pad to the treated areas one last time). In fact I use no products on my skin at all. Just an anti-bacterial soap, and water. I have used every product on the market in the past. I think peels, retin-A, etc., etc., just thin out the skin, making scarring more pronounced and harder to treat. At least that is my experience. ( I do use Obagi Sunscreen on my face every morning after I shower. I find Obagi the best for me. I have very fair Irish/German Skin that gets beet red in about 5 minutes if exposed to the sun. Obagi sunscreen has protected my face from the sun perfectly for years now).

The scarred pores have created a scab also, whereas the craters didn't. The craters just turned red for a few days as I reported in the beginning of this thread.

I can really attest to the fact that needling has done wonders for my boxcars ( craters). I peered at them from every concievable angle, under every lighting-shadow condition that has showed them at their absolute worst in the past. So simple, so cheap, and the down time is really nothing if just a dab of makeup is applied for a few days.

I will report on the scarred pores in about a month. Tonight was the first time for them. The craters I hit in a couple of days again. As time goes by I will report on their continued ( I am confident) progress.

Thanks to all for your best wishes. If anyone tries needling I suggest just a few at time, perhaps alternating between some areas a week or so apart. But not doing the same area for at least a month to insure collagen growth. Good luck, James

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Hi All,

I didn't "jackhammer" the scars. I simply stuck the needle in about 10 or 15 times in each scar. It bled pretty bad. I wiped it off with cotton soaked in alcohol. I stick the needle mostly in the center of the scar, but do stick it on the edges, basically on every part of the scar. I just stick it straight in, not at any particular angle.

Tonight I needled the scarred pores. I was bit more aggresive on them. Interestingly, I did hear the popping sound that some report as I needled my scarred pores. On the craters, I never have.

After needling I have not used any aftercare (except I apply alcohol on a pad to the treated areas one last time). In fact I use no products on my skin at all. Just an anti-bacterial soap, and water. I have used every product on the market in the past. I think peels, retin-A, etc., etc., just thin out the skin, making scarring more pronounced and harder to treat. At least that is my experience. ( I do use Obagi Sunscreen on my face every morning after I shower. I find Obagi the best for me. I have very fair Irish/German Skin that gets beet red in about 5 minutes if exposed to the sun. Obagi sunscreen has protected my face from the sun perfectly for years now).

The scarred pores have created a scab also, whereas the craters didn't. The craters just turned red for a few days as I reported in the beginning of this thread.

I can really attest to the fact that needling has done wonders for my boxcars ( craters). I peered at them from every concievable angle, under every lighting-shadow condition that has showed them at their absolute worst in the past. So simple, so cheap, and the down time is really nothing if just a dab of makeup is applied for a few days.

I will report on the scarred pores in about a month. Tonight was the first time for them. The craters I hit in a couple of days again. As time goes by I will report on their continued ( I am confident) progress.

Thanks to all for your best wishes. If anyone tries needling I suggest just a few at time, perhaps alternating between some areas a week or so apart. But not doing the same area for at least a month to insure collagen growth. Good luck, James

Thanks again, James.

I wonder if needeling will help scared pores on the nose?

You make needeling sound so promising. I want to have it done. But I am to fearful to do it myself.

My wife is a nurse, but I'm not sure if I should have her do it.

I do know a dermatologist. I grew up with her. She's opening her own practice. But she's a cold fish, and I don't think she is crazy about me. But who knows. Maybe I can have her to it.

I'm so happy for you, James. Nothing better than hearing a person has overcome their scars. :)

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Wow... so needling actually works! I too am curious about its effects on scarred pores.

One quick question: How deep do you have to go? How do you know how deep you are going?

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haha, this is the first time i've heard of this. it sounds so dangerous, christ, but i sorta want to try...

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if you have fillers in your skin, will they be affected if you have the needling done in the same areas? will the filler be destroyed, or will there be any problems? the filler i have is permanent- pmma done in mexico.

thank you

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if you have fillers in your skin, will they be affected if you have the needling done in the same areas? will the filler be destroyed, or will there be any problems? the filler i have is permanent- pmma done in mexico.

thank you

Getting needling done over a filler can actually be quite dangerous. Infection can be a major possibility. Seeing as how the implant is permanent, I believe the safest thing for you to do is get the implant removed and then try needling but that's going to be a tough procedure. Over time, permanent implants start to show as we age. Dont mess up your skin, by doing too many things on the same spot. Thats a major no no.

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James,

How many sessions of this have you done on the boxcars and how long ago did you start?


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Is needeling an option for someone older like me? I hear collagan does not grow as much in 45 year olds as it does in younger people.

I would hope it still is an option for us old timers.

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Hi All,

I'll try to answer all of your questions.

Firstly, I have done needling twice. I started three months ago. My third session is slated for Tuesday night. I waited one month between sessions. I saw big results about 2 weeks after I needled the second time.

Depth: I stick the needle in till the scar bleeds. It seems very little of a poke is needed. On the scarred pores I heard the popping sound ( scar tissue breaking up) that others have reported. So that is the right depth. But if you do not hear scar tissue popping just stick it in till it bleeds. Needle the scar at least 10 or 15 times.

Age: I'm in my forties and collagen reproduction is working fine for me. Though I am in excellent shape, workout all the time and have a very good diet. Shouldn't be a problem at any age I think if you are in good health. Of course smoking would deter healing, but if you smoke I'm sure it will still work but perhaps to a lesser degree.

Fear: It is a minor procedure. Just do one scar if you choose. Find one that bothers you. Try it on that. Wait a month and gauge results.

Permanent Fillers: The two scars I performed needling on were filled with a permanent filler over two years ago. The filler never took, and I had no change in the scarring after the filler procedure was performed. Since I felt no discernable "lump" in the scars, and they were still very plainly visible, I didn't give it a second thought. I needled them. So far no adverse reaction, only vast improvement. But I would caution you that this is my results only, yours may differ.

Needles: 30 Gauge Needles. "BD Ultra-Fine" brand from Long's Drug Store or Walgreens. These are Insulin Syringes.

Lastly, information on needling is all over this board. It seems like one of the most talked about threads. Do a search on acne.org for needling and a lot of information will be available.

James

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needling is more commonly know as subsiscion. Doc uses a needle breaks up scar tissue all sorts of popping sounds on most scars, rednees for few weeks and then great results. Highly recomended but. I would advise going to a very reputable plastic surgeon unless you really know what your doing

Hi All,

I'll try to answer all of your questions.

Firstly, I have done needling twice. I started three months ago. My third session is slated for Tuesday night. I waited one month between sessions. I saw big results about 2 weeks after I needled the second time.

Depth: I stick the needle in till the scar bleeds. It seems very little of a poke is needed. On the scarred pores I heard the popping sound ( scar tissue breaking up) that others have reported. So that is the right depth. But if you do not hear scar tissue popping just stick it in till it bleeds. Needle the scar at least 10 or 15 times.

Age: I'm in my forties and collagen reproduction is working fine for me. Though I am in excellent shape, workout all the time and have a very good diet. Shouldn't be a problem at any age I think if you are in good health. Of course smoking would deter healing, but if you smoke I'm sure it will still work but perhaps to a lesser degree.

Fear: It is a minor procedure. Just do one scar if you choose. Find one that bothers you. Try it on that. Wait a month and gauge results.

Permanent Fillers: The two scars I performed needling on were filled with a permanent filler over two years ago. The filler never took, and I had no change in the scarring after the filler procedure was performed. Since I felt no discernable "lump" in the scars, and they were still very plainly visible, I didn't give it a second thought. I needled them. So far no adverse reaction, only vast improvement. But I would caution you that this is my results only, yours may differ.

Needles: 30 Gauge Needles. "BD Ultra-Fine" brand from Long's Drug Store or Walgreens. These are Insulin Syringes.

Lastly, information on needling is all over this board. It seems like one of the most talked about threads. Do a search on acne.org for needling and a lot of information will be available.

James

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james thanks for the further details.

italguy thanks for the info but you are mistaken about this type of needling. Subcision is sliding a needle underneath the scar, this needling is into the face of the scar.


"NickHonestly: it's a subliminal advertising technique they used

NickHonestly: they secretly put naked women on the packaging

NickHonestly: but it's hard to tell

Harry Eric Shun: I like to put naked women on my package too

Harry Eric Shun: what a coincidence"


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james thanks for the further details.

italguy thanks for the info but you are mistaken about this type of needling. Subcision is sliding a needle underneath the scar, this needling is into the face of the scar.

I tried it two nights ago after thinking it through for two weeks. I was so afraid of poking it into my normal skin due to the fear of needles that I only did it on three scars. Are you suppose to feel a slight hint of pain when you do this?

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Hi, I'm also interested in this for scarred pores. If successful how long will the benefits last? Are the effects just edma? and is this something that would have to be repeated many times a year? Sorry alot of questions.

Cheers

Kevin

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The pain I felt was minimal at best. Perhaps the slightest of stings. Afterall, you are poking a needle into you skin.

I hope the results last. I don't see why they would not. I am not sanding them down ( dermabrasion & Laser) or filling them up ( Fillers of all types). Needling promotes collagen growth. Should stay I guess.

But even if you needed a touchup a couple of time a year, so what? The downtime is so short you can do it on a free weekend and go back to work Monday with only a slight swelling or redmarks that can easily be hidden with the most elementary make-up dab.

Just try it on one pronounced scar and see how it works. Nobody has reported that needling has actually made a scar worse. Don't be so timid. There is really no downside to trying it on one single scar.

James

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Yeah, you're right. I may just try it on one of the big ones - see what happens. It's hard to tell which are scarred and which are enlarged but I suppose it doesn't really matter, right? Collagen growth is collagen growth. The more the better.

Kevin

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Hi James

Are you taking any vitamins or supplements to aid collagen growth?

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I too am doing self needling and ive seen some improvement in my scars.

I started needling a month ago and i av just done my second self needling last nite on my hole face,ive needled my hole face on every scar i av,box scars,ice pick,rolling and scarred pores.

Last nite it took me about 4 hours to needle my whole face which got painfull in some areas because i have very severe scarring,that is why it took me so long to needle my scars.

I dont use any after treatments till the redness as subsided which takes about 5 day,then i use retin-a 0.025% in the morning because it is supposed to stimulate collagen growth and then i use cp serum at nite.

I also use 30g diabetic needles like healtyseptic but i do the jack hammer style method,i change each needle after i've needled the 3rd scar because the needles easy blunt.

Healthyseptic,ive been told not to use alcohol on my skin by someone on this site.

Hurt by my skin,im 42 and the needling is producing new collagen ok,it maybe taking longer i think by what ppl say about collagen growth when your older.

I also wait 1 month in between needling and as the days go by my scars seem to improve each day,so maybe i should wait 2 months between needling.

My scars looked worse at first,about upto 2 weeks then they improved each day after that.

Wait at least 1 month in between needling because the new collagen is very fragile and u could damage it,also keep needling your scars each month and u will see good results.

See GUMBY'S post on needling,he started needling is scars 8 years ago and he's got about 99% clear,if not 100%.

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Thanks for posting that Sam. Needed those few positive comments before I finally do this fully.

Does anyone who has done this know if it painful and safe to needle areas which are not scarred?

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