I hope the preceding words weren't too big and bad (apply double entendre) according to your perception; the last time I used some slightly big words was with Crank. It is not the choice of words, but the message you despise. You wanted to take your Accutane, weed, saw palmetto, etc., without paying the fiddler.
I love that you are so evil. I don't know what Dan sees in you?
Joliment is using my posts from Propeciahelp, here against me. That was a line I used on that site, for someone who was clearly struggling; and, I didn't want such a sensitive quote being misused; you missed the point, again. You just hate me because I am a little witty, but I have given you more good advice than anyone here. You just feel inadequate; that is obvious. If people were just a little more sensitive about everything they said here, I wouldn't have to use words to show their duplicity up. If you think making a little fun of someone recommending antiandrogens is an ego trip, you don't know human psychology as well as you think.
If you want to plagiarize that which I have written in the past, that is fine; but, don't pretend you have Accutane sides or that you care about anything here. If you can't think of anything to say using your own words, that is your problem.
In terms of your past dalliances with saw palmetto and the like, let's no go there; we all need forgiveness. It has been discussed many times that any upward ratchet of hormones doesn't work, and neither does any type of fine balancing act. As far as the latest research goes, go to Propeciahelp. This is the best soap opera going at the moment, and you are not abreast of the times. Priorities!
"Finasteride also reduced seminal vesicles weight, another androgen-dependent structure. Compared with finasteride, maca significantly reduced the weight of the ventral prostate in rats without affecting the seminal vesicles, suggesting the effect is at the post-androgen-receptor action level...."
Effect of two different extracts of red maca in male rats with testosterone induced prostatic hyperplasia. Asian Journal of Andrology 2007; 9 (2): 245-251.
Well, at least you are being a little more constructive now. Julia from Sensible sells many tinctures that have antiandrogenic constituents; I'm sure that most of the people that would benefit from knowing exactly what they are ingesting don't bother to do the research. I have gone into the details in the past, and I won't go over that. Also, Awor from Propeciahelp, asked if people felt well on the seemingly innocuous liver supplements, and most responded they felt worse. Again, it is not too difficult to work out what is going on.
Of course, you have been eating Moringa leaves. "Botanical compounds in Moringa leaves have the potential to inhibit 5 a-reductase. Epigallocatechin gallate, myrecetin, querticin, rutin, morin, toxifolin, chrysin, baicalein, fisetin, biochanin A, genistein, kempferol...." are all found in Moringa leaves. I may put some on my crumpet.
Effects of Moringa oleifera on undesirable skin sebum secretions of sebaceous glands observed during winter season in humans. Biomedical Research 2013; 24 (1); 127-130.
The post you are referring to above pertains to saw palmetto and the experts on this thread who said it was safe to take because it is 'natural.' Read slower, and you should get it. I was banned for mocking people who would lie with no regard for others. Aye aye sir.
Also, ask Gladiatoro or MovingOn if their sides were improved by saw palmetto (dual inhibitor and AR antagonist); they openly discussed usage here, and never mentioned an improvement. They are both Accutane victims.
"I've read about some guys who suffered PFS, took Propecia again after a while (really, don't ask me why), and their problems got worse."
Think about what you just said in the instance above. They took Propecia again, because they were so desperate to cure their hair loss (or whatever) that they will try anything. They weren't trying to test a hypothesis. Of course, there have been people with and without sexual sides that have tried this stuff.... and failed on all counts; they didn't stop their hair loss and made themselves worse. Also have a look at the books Dr. Pezzi has authored...what a joke.
I can't paste links (disabled function) here, but look at post #614 on the Official Accutane Thread (ATM) by BillyWest. He said he got emotional blunting sides from Accutane as a teenager; he then took Propecia many years later, and got sexual sides. He cites the reverse outcome that Leviathan cited. Someone asked Dr. Pezzi how long he took Propecia for, and he said 2.5-3 years......testing a hypothesis my arse; it sounds like he didn't want to be a slaphead. There is a great deal of duplicity from people (in this thread), even doctors; you should take everything with a grain of salt. Also, Levianthan can't even spell his own name.
Like I said, there have been plenty of people on this thread with hair loss troubles after Accutane who have taken Finasteride, saw palmetto, etc. (also due to the fact that they are middle-aged; also genetically predisposed to it, just as they are to acne); and, we haven't seen any themes of rhyme or reason associated with this. In a word, a lot of men and women with acne will have hair loss problems by virtue of their makeup, and many have tried (will try) all sorts of antiandrogens and inhibitors (sadly they also deny the dangers associated with this), with no resolution to any of their problems.
"The only sexual side effects I have are the result of masturbating too much/"
If you have copious amounts of man chowder (it should be water now) on tap, or desire porn; or, if you can get it up at all, ever, well then, I don't think you have much wrong with you at all. You should probably look into competitive crocheting or ferret rearing. I also wouldn't press Crank on his porn habits. He'll probably give us more tosspot classics, such as "I was slaving away with a flaccid D."