Im sort of under the impression that if my estrogen was high it has since gone done. Im sure high estrogen side effects would be more visible. Its also understood that copper toxicity builds up first in the liver and then once thats full slowly starts making its way to the brain and builds up there, where it is a lot harder for it to be removed through the bodies natural homeostatis, as perhaps opposed to estrogen. None the less Im planning on getting some blood work done over the next few days so I can add it to the list of stuff to check.
Always super awkward walking in and being like, hey, I know you dont know whats wrong with me and I know Ive been in here many many times before but just get these blood tests done for me. Lol.
Heres an article on copper toxicity, worth a read even for the sake of friends and family, as things like copper piping and womens copper IUD contraceptive do-hickeys can have the same devastating effects.
I just wanted to ay that for the last week I have been taking pretty big doses of L-tryosine and DL-phenylalanine (about 2g sometimes more each) and I have noticed massive increases in mood and general appreciation for life. Not all my symptoms have disapeared and I wouldnt say Im 100% cleared but I am defiantly on my way there now. Feeling 1000% better than I did two years ago.
My memory has improved and my brain fog has started to disapear.
This also comes after about 3 monts of nofap (PMO reboot) and also abstaining from Porn for over a year.
Im still pretty certain I have a copper toxicity from when I took accutane in Dec 2012 and this fix now will only be temporary to prove to myself thats what is happening.
My next course of action is to get a hair mineral analysis done and start balacing mineral levels correctly.
A member of a website caleld propeciahelp basically uncovered all this...
stating that like accutune, finasteride increases estrogen
which increases copper
Copper creats a toxic substance in the brain which basically breaks down dopamine and most likely other important sutff
Lack of dopamine is what causes depression memory loss and all that.
His name on the site is 'letsconvenience' and can be found only by a member search for authors in the advanced search function.
He goes on to state that the supplements I mentioned before worked well for about 2 months until they stated to diminish, most likely due to dopamine receptors.
He then tried to increase his dopamine receptors through the use of certain nootropics and while that did help he understood it was no permanent fix and eventually discovered copper toxicity and went down the path of Hair mineral analysis and supplementation mediated by a practioner called Alex Tuggle.
Anyway, check my posts and shit Ive been struggling with this for fucking ages.
could the copper be overloaded in soft tissues once it has been built up in the liver?
I went to an endo and yeah likewise all my results came back fine. They really rely on those results and dont seem to suggest other ideas but instead stay your fine come back in 6 months and we can check again. Fug them all.
Ive been doing cold showers for about 2 weeks now and no-fap and must say I have lots more energy. Im travelling soon for 5 weeks but when I come back I want to start a new life. Gym consistently, Hair mineral analysis and just work on being an all round top bloke. Dont think this will be too hard. But Im not in anyone elses shoes.
Anyway, hope everyone is getting through their week fine
I think unless your life is truely shitted to the point where you just want to kill yourself everyday then hope is not lost. Not by a long shot. I feel a lot better than I did last year, and then way better than the year before that!
My goal is to keep researching. Work on getting fit and healthy again, and by this put some gnarly hours into getting as ripped as can be.
It would be way too ironic and illogical to be in perfect physical health and still feel like total crap. I just don't think that's possible.
So anyway that and yeah just work on building things in my life.
The thing with accutane I think is that you feel quite often the feeling of impending doom. That's just a byproduct at the moment.
I like to think that if I can grow from this, I'll be a pretty dope dude one day and basically nothing will really get me down.
Anyway, obviously easier than said but after awhile you just want to pull out your dick and fuck the world. Make it your bitch. Haha.
Cool shit to do straight away would be stuff like cutting out smoking durries and alcohol. Nofap for at least 6 months and a recent discovery of mine, cold showers for at least 30 days. After about 5 you start feeling like your not scared anymore which is cool.
(We're rebuilding at the moment. But can still build more cos fuck it we can)
its probably worth it to get a 4x adrenal cortisol test done before you start to try and recover your adrenals through supplements, glandulars etc. Obviosuly things like sleep and taking coffee out of your diet will help but I did more than this only to find my adrenals were actually ok in the test results.
I feel like adrenals are a bit of a spin when it comes to natural healing, a lot of people say oh yeah youre tired? adrenal fatigue!
Just my 2c but by all means do what you think is best.
I believe its basically 'limp mode'. Just like how modern cars go into a sort of standby mode that does just enough to get the tasks at hand done, the body too enters a sort of low power mode when its broken.
I think western medicine is actually a pretty decent analogy for post accutane sufferers. On the one hand a lot of people, including myself want to attempt a nice quick fix in order to alleviate whatever problem is affecting us, however we bypass the root of problem itself.
Dont get me wrong, western medicine has done wonders for the world many times over, and I thank god I get to live in a time wear I can have sex with a random person catch an STD and not die from it. However when it comes to certain problems that seem to consitute a total mind body and soul issue, western medicine just cant fix this.
Its a sort of calming thought in a way to know that we are still evolving as a species and in under a century have revoloutionized medicine and saved millions of lives. Imagine what we will acheive in another few centuries. I for one beleive that we will reach a point where we can understand to a tee the forces in which act on our bodies in negative and postive ways. This isnt to say it hasnt been done already, eastern medicine seems to have cultivated this idea and used it find balance among their varied civillastions, I suppose we in the west just havent fully grasped the idea enough to accept it, or perhaps are ignorant. Perhaps I am in my own little bubble and dont realy know what Im talking about. Either way there are a lot of things we dont understand. And Im sure as shit acne wasnt around a few hundred years ago, nor was cancer. I think we fucked up as a race and screwed up the balance, hopefully we can restore it again before its too late. Or maybe we need people to get sick and die or kill themself to reduce population. Maybe its all part of a massive plan a higher power has orchestrated, haha I dont know. But whatever keep on keeping on.
Yeah but I have had blood test that have multiple times shown low t. Even about 4 months after having shots of T. Pretty baffled myself.
My main goal now is nutrional balacing as I think this is a ongoing copper toxicity problem but for the short term I just want to see what happens.
Trying stuff sucks but you get to cross stuff off the list. I feel I'm nearly at the end
Will probably stop taking 5htp, ive read in a few places that long termit can mess with the brain and basically screw with dopamine production, which I dont particularly want.
I beleive the zinc has had a pretty dramatic effect, causing me to dump copper or atleast get it circulating. I beleive proper cleating agents are needed to be bound to the copper and then it can be effciently eliminated from the blood stream.
Anyway, ive stopped zinc for the next few days as Ive recently hit a low and I beleive this may be due to copper being antagonised.
My skin is pretty amazing right now, defiantly the best it has been in a good year or so, perhaps longer, hardly any pimples in sight which amazingly after accutane still plagued me pretty bad. I beleive this is due to the zinc
Still have my hair mineral analysis kit sitting infront of me, however I will have to wait until August to see results as Im heading away soon. Seeing as zinc has defiantly caused a dramitic change in my life over the last few weeks, I beleive I for myself am on the right path now. My little theory here is that accutane for whatever reason raises estrogen (my testosterone levels were that of an 80 year old man at the start of 2014) which causes copper to build up. Copper thenbecome both available and unavailable which results in a crazy concotion of problems.
I dont really have any other ideas, besides those raised by other users stating accutane may still be stored in fat cells and can only be eliminated through quite intense fasting techniques.
have just ordered some L-Tyrosine and L-Phenylalanine. Although Im not really a fan of the 'magic supplements', I have been reading a old prepicia forum and a member has had some success with these, he later goes on to state NB really made the most difference but because Im wanting to experiment Im trying these. Will update next with the effetcs.
So I just did a littler research into my own question and the guys name is Chico Espositio. If you search his content he really has some solid theories on what is going on to those affected post-accutane.
As i mentioned he also has dwindled on the idea of using the fasting method to remove potential accutane left over after first taking it. I believe he states he has used only IF fasting, and while he did see results doing this, I couldnt find anything more about him doing anything else for a longer amount of time. I have PM'd him so hopefully I get some info back there.
If the fast does indeed burn the fat cells and get accutane flowing into the blood stream again then from what I have read there are a few things to pick it up and carry it away.
Seems like that guy recommends just taking the time off work and smashing out a 5 week fast / cleanse.
Im at the same place where you are in regards to not really being able to quit my job and just drop everything.
But if it needs to be done then it needs to be done. Try ask for 4 weeks unpaid, and then if thats not an option straight away, see how long it will take to accrue the time off.
I thought I read about a guy on here that fasted in order to cleanse 'soft tissue'. Dont think it really went anywhere though? Was his name Chico something...?