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[Little Miss]

Has anyone ever tried the Wai Diet? I found it on the internet, but found it really hard to stick to. I felt so ill all the time. Has anyone else had any experience with it and has it worked?

[Little Miss]

I take it nobody has tried it? O well, never mind.

[Case N]

Ok bye.

[Mrs Jenkins]

Yes, I've done Wai's diet several times and it does work. It really is incredible when you lose water retention and the all the little bumps start surfacing and coming out all at once. Wai's diet limits protein consumption and especially cooked protein. What I found is that all the fruit sugar causes lots of sebum production which is fine if the water retention is down and the pores remain open.

On the homo optimus diet, protein is limited like in Wai's diet. However, carbs/fruits are limited too which keeps oil production down. You end up eating alot of fat. This diet cleared my acne even better.

Both diets are extreme so if I kind of combine the two while eating what I want some of the time, I can have 'normal' skin. And both diets keep you thin. I actually lose weight on both if I don't watch it.

Oh, BTW, many of the foods you can eat are delicious so it doesn't feel like punishment. Banana-cocoa smoothies and fresh lime guacamole are great in the summer and cause no acne.

[Susan1967]

Has anyone ever tried the Wai Diet? I found it on the internet, but found it really hard to stick to. I felt so ill all the time. Has anyone else had any experience with it and has it worked?

I haven't heard of that diet but, dumb question, what is Wai? I know I'm thinking of whey, which I believe to be a byproduct of wheat. What does the diet consist of?

I have heard that wheat should be cut out of one's diet and that antioxident's increased. I'll try to find the link to the page on that site....

http://www.skintactix.com

on that site there are two articles: Acne & Wheat

and

Acne & Essential Fatty Acids

I was wrong when I said antioxidents, I mean the above....

[screw_acne]

n wut is wai's diet?

[R.S.]

well i read the diet book and nowhere else have i ever seen 'dirty protiens' or their negative result in one's health. man has been consuming so called 'dirty protiens' for thousands of years.

[curiousz]

Yes, I've done Wai's diet several times and it does work. It really is incredible when you lose water retention and the all the little bumps start surfacing and coming out all at once. Wai's diet limits protein consumption and especially cooked protein. What I found is that all the fruit sugar causes lots of sebum production which is fine if the water retention is down and the pores remain open.

On the homo optimus diet, protein is limited like in Wai's diet. However, carbs/fruits are limited too which keeps oil production down. You end up eating alot of fat. This diet cleared my acne even better.

Both diets are extreme so if I kind of combine the two while eating what I want some of the time, I can have 'normal' skin. And both diets keep you thin. I actually lose weight on both if I don't watch it.

Oh, BTW, many of the foods you can eat are delicious so it doesn't feel like punishment. Banana-cocoa smoothies and fresh lime guacamole are great in the summer and cause no acne.

I noticed the same thing...I was still breaking out in lots of small zits while having a high carb diet, probably linked to the SEBUM output increasing...

So on this homo optimus diet, how do I get all the calories I need?

Can I consume 12 raw egg yolks/ day? ~ 700 calories

Consume coconut oil, avacados, flaxseed oil, cod liver oil...a tablespoon of each and 1 avacado only = 600...

total calories = 1300....

I need more :/

[Little Miss]

I haven't heard of that diet but, dumb question, what is Wai? I know I'm thinking of whey, which I believe to be a byproduct of wheat. What does the diet consist of?

I think Wai is the name of the person who made the diet, or maybe it isn't!? I just assumed it was.

It consits of eating nothing cooked, and just eating fruit and certain raw veg/salad. It really hard to give up every food I love. And I felt so ill. Plus eating a raw egg yolk every morning made me feel sick!!!

[Mrs Jenkins]

I noticed the same thing...I was still breaking out in lots of small zits while having a high carb diet, probably linked to the SEBUM output increasing...

So on this homo optimus diet, how do I get all the calories I need?

Can I consume 12 raw egg yolks/ day? ~ 700 calories

Consume coconut oil, avacados, flaxseed oil, cod liver oil...a tablespoon of each and 1 avacado only = 600...

total calories = 1300....

I need more :/

Well, you still need to consume some carbs, just limit them. So instead of having 4 pieces of toast with a little butter/olive oil, you should eat one piece of toast with lots of butter/olive oil. You just change the proportions. I personally find this much more satisfying. When I limit fat, my appetite never seems satiated. I can easily over eat without enough fat.

As for the raw egg yolks, make sure you get them fresh or they will taste disgusting. I personally hate raw egg yolks (so I don't eat them anymore), but I have to admit that they make the skin beautiful. The only way I can eat them is if I use them to make an old fashioned Caesar Salad Dressing or Hollandaise sauce (the original recipes actually called for raw eggs). People in traditional cultures all eat some raw animal products.

In homo optimus, you can eat cooked protein, but the amount is limited. I find that cooked plant protein like in peanut butter doesn't affect my skin the way cooked animal protein does. In fact, I can eat copious amounts of peanut butter without any detrimental affect on my skin. The animal protein may have more of an effect on IGF-1. Elevated levels of IGF-1 have been linked to acne. Sugar and excess calories also increases IGF-1 BTW.

Fat doesn't cause any acne in myself. I have experimented with very high fat diets and they only improve my skin to the point of having no acne. If I only eat mono-unsaturated fat sources (which always have some saturated fat in them) I don't feel as satisfied and I don't look as healthy. Something about the saturated fats in butter and eggs is necessary.

[R.S.]

Saturated fats are VERY necessary to health, the healthiest saturated fats are found in coconut oil / other coconut products (similar fatty acid composition to human breast milk) and high quality grass fed butter (contains CLA and other very beneficial fats). Sounds like the Wai diet is mostly just a pseudo raw foodist / paleolithic type diet, except no ones heard of Wai and it sounds like he has zero credentials. Raw food diets are definitely healing short term but their long term effects are most often negative.

[cjb]

Mrs. Jenkins,
I asked you this in another thread, but I think you missed it. I'm just curious what you eat. I looked up the diet and the sample recipes seemed to be mostly eggs (lots of them), butter, meat (mostly sausage/bacon?), and occasionally potatoes and cabbage. I guess I was just shocked by the lack of veggies. I'm just curious if that's how you basically eat.

[Mrs Jenkins]

Mrs. Jenkins,
I asked you this in another thread, but I think you missed it. I'm just curious what you eat. I looked up the diet and the sample recipes seemed to be mostly eggs (lots of them), butter, meat (mostly sausage/bacon?), and occasionally potatoes and cabbage. I guess I was just shocked by the lack of veggies. I'm just curious if that's how you basically eat.

Sorry I missed your question. No, I don't stick to the diet in its pure form. I need more carbs than the diet recommends. Without enough carbs I find myself lacking energy and my skin actually begins to get dry (and I normally have very oily skin). What I do is use elements of the diet. Basically, I limit carbs (especially starches/refined sugars) and animal proteins while increasing my fat intake. This is maintainable- I still enjoy my food without feeling deprived. Vegetables don't give me acne, but they give me bad bloating gas (beans do the same) so I don't feel my prettiest after eating them .

It seems like some people get acne from excess proteins, especially animal while others get acne from excess carbs, especially high GI carbs. Then there are very unlucky individuals like myself who get acne from both. It took me a while to figure this out. I find that I have two different types of acne. The small bumps and whiteheads are from excess carbs while the red inflamed cystic types are from excess protein (beef is the absolute worst). The inflamed kind hits me on my cheeks, temples, upper back while the small bumpy kind ends up on my T-zone. I can almost predict perfectly after eating certain amounts of 'risky' foods what kind of acne I'll get and where it will end up. When I go back to eating in the proper proportions the acne disappears very quickly. I don't know where the myth began that it takes 2 months for a pimple to form because in my case that is absolutely not true.

[cjb]

It seems like some people get acne from excess proteins, especially animal while others get acne from excess carbs, especially high GI carbs.

That makes sense to me. I got acne initially when I was a vegan, so not eating a lot of protein, and it was the little clogged pore type. I basically have to avoid sugar - and too much bread- to avoid the inflamed ones.

I'm still a little confused about what you actually eat, since you limit carbs and proteins. I understand you eat more fat, but I guess I'm wondering what carbs and proteins you DO eat. And what types of fat? butter, coconut, avocado....Do you just eat whatever sat. fat you want? Since you limit animal proteins, and don't eat beans, what proteins do you eat?

Sorry for all the questions. I just like the idea of a high-fat diet!

[Susan1967]

Check out this link for a little information about how wheat products effect acne:

http://www.skintactix.com/acne_&_wheat.htm

Of course, in addtion to the wheat information, that site is trying to sell it's product, but it's worth further investigation.

The idea that wheat products in the diet promote yeast infections is not a new concept.

But oh Hell! What a pain to cut ALL wheat out of one's diet!! Wheat is in everyting! Unless you're not a carb lover anyway, talk about a major life change...

[user11]

first of all this diet is VERY hard to follow..BUT this is the only thing that cleared ALL of my acne.. without any vitamins.. i followed it for about 4 month strict diet.. im currently on accutane- oh boy does it suck... im planning to go on it tomorrow... u stay in great shape, feel better and ur face glows without any zits.. not a single one, after being on the diet for 2 weeks you stop breaking out

[ryudoadema]

It seems like some people get acne from excess proteins, especially animal while others get acne from excess carbs, especially high GI carbs.

That makes sense to me. I got acne initially when I was a vegan, so not eating a lot of protein, and it was the little clogged pore type. I basically have to avoid sugar - and too much bread- to avoid the inflamed ones.

I'm still a little confused about what you actually eat, since you limit carbs and proteins. I understand you eat more fat, but I guess I'm wondering what carbs and proteins you DO eat. And what types of fat? butter, coconut, avocado....Do you just eat whatever sat. fat you want? Since you limit animal proteins, and don't eat beans, what proteins do you eat?

Sorry for all the questions. I just like the idea of a high-fat diet!

If I could make a suggestion, this site explains why a high-fat diet is best and cures skin problems and illness in general. I've been following it for a year and a half or so and have healed acne, rosacea, and sebderm along with my migraines, digestive issues and much more.

[OlympusMons]

Interesting thing, the high-fat diet!
I'm a Wai dietist myself and, since on diet, my body always asks for more fats and less carbs than most people's.
RRM once said on the diet forum that our muscles need carbs when active, and fats when resting. That's maybe why my body asks for more fats, cause lately I've been very sedentary, unfortunately...
Anyway, I think the high-fat diet is a bit extreme, because carbs are the most easily-converted source of energy (I guess). And empirically, there aren't that much high-fat foods in nature, as for carbs there are lots of (fruits). And once more I think men are made to eat mostly fruits.
Good luck with it, anyway!