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Posted 09 February 2006 - 10:18 PM

QUOTE(Vulier @ Feb 9 2006, 09:40 PM)

Hey Mac, depending on the time i could have more than 4, like during stress. But normally not much. The redness I was refering to is just that redness associated with a surface pimple. Not covering my face like Rosacia (sp?). Jessica, I'm a 3rd year business student. I agree with you about them not have to disclose the specific information at this point. Anyway, I had pretty bad OCD awhile back which is much more under control now although it occasionally gets the better of me. That's the cause of the scarring. Nothing worse than stupidity. Best Regards.



yea thats what I mean is redness associated with a new pimple or old...like would the pen get rid of those kinds of redness...not rosacia but like spots of redness from previous or new pimples

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE(Grow_To_Overthrow @ Feb 9 2006, 10:32 PM)

Quite possibly they will, and i'm equally as interested. But in the meantime i think sufferers deserve some accountability. smile.gif



hey GTO, I'm all for accountability and running off the snake oil. You guys know me-in fact, I'm probably the hardest mod of all when it comes to spam. It takes a *lot* for me to be impressed-and since Lumiport earned my confidence, I'd rather give them a chance to prove their product works instead of subjecting them to the usual scrutiny and skepticism. Let's not run them thru the typical wringer we subject most advertisers to. since that net's for catching illegitimate companies with illegitimate products, of course you can still ask respectful questions, so I'm sure we'll all be courteous adults in this.

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 10:36 PM

yea I dont hvae rosacea...I'm askign about the red spots cause from pimples

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 12:22 AM

Okay, every message board has a few individuals who bash a product based on specs or other asinine reasons. Unless you actually have the product, stop complaining about it. I don't mean to be rude but I think it would be best for this topic if we keep reports to the success or failure of the product based on individuals who actually have the product. Otherwise, the topic is just going off on a tangent and becomes useless. That's just my $0.02 and I will say no more until I get the product in my hands beginning of next week.

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 12:43 AM

Good call Vulier. there's an old Chinese proverb that goes something like this:


-Those who tell others what cannot be done, should not disturb those who are doing it.





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Posted 10 February 2006 - 08:45 AM

so does this product work? on acne?

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 10:27 AM

whats the big deal about the wavelengths used, I stated in a post earlier what they were as quoted from the second page of the manual: Blue (405-415nm) red (660-670nm)

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 05:40 PM

A heads up. I used my dermastyle this morning and though the instructions say to touch it directly against the skin for non-affected areas, it left a raised weal that took hours to go away. When I have held it slightly away from the skin, I have had no problems, but you may want to avoid touching it to your skin for the full 10 minutes.

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 08:54 PM

Hello, Folks:

Catching up on the above questions here.

1. Roflcopter, thanks for the support. But Croaker is right... many companies with products that don't work provide 30 day money back guarantees. So a guarantee is no assurance that it will work, or work for you. I heard today of an acne lotion company that has a 30 day money back guarantee but measures that time from the day of order and routinely takes 3 weeks to deliver product that takes 4 weeks to show results. Clearly that company does not intend to refund any purchases. Thankfully, our experience with testers and customers has been that the Lumiport DermaSyle works well and that its effectiveness is demonstrated quickly.

2. The 30 day guarantee will be honored from the day you receive (not purchase) the DermaStyle and yes, if you just email us or call us telling us that you'd like to return it within that time period, but it doesn't arrive at our offices until after that period, we'll still happily refund your purchase price. If you're not happy with the product, we can at least make you happy with Lumiport and treat you nicely. The 30 days from receipt clarification should be added to our web site. We'll do that.

3. Croaker, putting the DermaStyle directly on your skin will produce a temporary, pink mark the size of the tip that lasts (for me) for a couple of hours. But the value of being able to put it on your skin directly with slight pressure is twofold: First, it's easier to keep it pointed at the problem area and second, the light pressue presses the circulating blood out of the immediate area. This is useful because the blood's dark color will tend to absorb the light you're trying to deliver to the area and shuttle that energy away from the site. Some research protocols in published studies on light therapy for acne call for direct application with light pressure specifically for that reason. But if the the temporarly mark annoys or concerns you, just lift the tip slightly off the surface of the skin.

4. Joe Blogs, regarding the frequencies and confidentiality. You're right, the manual does list the frequency ranges emitted by the DermaStyle. I've inquired about this and my understanding now is that stating the frequencies emitted with the product may be a legal requirement. If that's the case, I may have been acting too cautiously in declining to specify the frequencies for confidentiality reasons earlier in the thread. Thank you, Jessica, for defending our well-meaning but perhaps missplaced attempt to keep that information confidential. I'll try to learn more about this next week and clarify.

5. Spot treatment vs. Full Face treatment. The DermaStyle was designed to treat smaller areas at a time (say the size of a silver dollar or smaller). Light therapy for blemishes can be effective but only if you deliver sufficient intensity of light energy at the right frequency to the right location for a sufficient amount of time. This is typically measured in Joules/cm2. The DermaStyle at 1cm distance from the skin produces a lighted area of about 2cm in diameter or about 3.14 cm2. Raising the DermaStyle to 4cm off the skin increases the treatment area to about 9.5 cm2 but the output of the device does not change so the energy delivered per square centimeter is less than 1/2 at the closer distance. To achieve the same energy delivery to the larger area, you'd have to increase the duration of exposure by more than 2x. There's probably an ideal effective energy delivered/surface area for each person, and perhaps for groups of people or types of skin bemishes, but research is still ongoing to understand that ideal window with more certainty. Until then our suggestion is to use the DermaStyle once or twice a day per affected area for the pre-programmed 10 minute cycle. In that, we're defining "area" as an area about the size of your palm or smaller. Clearly, this still leaves a large variance in the energy delivered per defined surface area, but we're getting positive reports with people following that guidance.

Will it work if you have blemishes over your whole face? Perhaps. While not designed to treat large areas, we sold a DermaStyle to a girl 3 weeks ago who had moderate acne over her face and forehead. Our caution to her was "We're not sure that you'll find this helpful except in smaller areas because it would take too long to get enough light over the areas of your face that need it". To our surprise, when we saw her 2 weeks later, she was remarkably clearer and thanked us, through tears, for helping her with what had been a life-long problem. She's going to send us her diary of use and some pictures that we'll post on the site within the next few weeks.


Keep up the good questions, folks....

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 01:35 AM

Lumiport:

1) I am currently using a facial cleanser with 10% glycolic acid. The box states that users should use sunscreens with SPF of at least 15 due to possible increased sun-sensitivity. If I were to purchase Dermastyle, would it be best to apply a thin layer of sunscreen? (The good thing is that it is a cleanser not a moisturiser so it won't be too bad)

2) Do you accept any other forms of payment other than credit cards from Australia? I have a Bank Card but the site declines saying the number is wrong.

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 02:05 AM

QUOTE(jonnathann @ Feb 12 2006, 06:35 PM)


If I were to purchase Dermastyle, would it be best to apply a thin layer of sunscreen? (The good thing is that it is a cleanser not a moisturiser so it won't be too bad)


Sunscreen will block the Blue & Red lights.


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Posted 12 February 2006 - 12:00 PM

ok I have this rendess on my left side below my lips..I really want it to go...like I have redness on my cheeks but I really want the one below my lip to go away I think the bp is aggarvating it...would the dermastly e work for that

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 03:40 PM

I have been using it a few days and I think it is helping some zits shrink. It will take a couple weeks of trials to be sure. I use it either reading or watching tv, holding the demasttyle on or near the spot.

Lumiport, one helpful feature would be a buzzer when the 10 minutes is up. Otherwise I have to keep checking to see if the light is on. I do like that it turns irself off after 10 minutes.

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 04:24 PM

QUOTE(Mac @ Feb 13 2006, 05:00 AM)

ok I have this rendess on my left side below my lips..I really want it to go...like I have redness on my cheeks but I really want the one below my lip to go away I think the bp is aggarvating it...would the dermastly e work for that


Red light will help it heal considerably faster. Benzoyl Peroxide will definately aggravate the skin, if you don't have active Acne below your lip then maybe consider not using the BP there.

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 04:38 PM

QUOTE(Grow_To_Overthrow @ Feb 12 2006, 05:24 PM)

QUOTE(Mac @ Feb 13 2006, 05:00 AM)

ok I have this rendess on my left side below my lips..I really want it to go...like I have redness on my cheeks but I really want the one below my lip to go away I think the bp is aggarvating it...would the dermastly e work for that


Red light will help it heal considerably faster. Benzoyl Peroxide will definately aggravate the skin, if you don't have active Acne below your lip then maybe consider not using the BP there.


well I get whiteheads.....so if I HAVE ACTIVE ACNE I SHOULDNT USE THEIS PEN


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Posted 12 February 2006 - 04:41 PM

QUOTE(Mac @ Feb 13 2006, 09:38 AM)

QUOTE(Grow_To_Overthrow @ Feb 12 2006, 05:24 PM)

QUOTE(Mac @ Feb 13 2006, 05:00 AM)

ok I have this rendess on my left side below my lips..I really want it to go...like I have redness on my cheeks but I really want the one below my lip to go away I think the bp is aggarvating it...would the dermastly e work for that


Red light will help it heal considerably faster. Benzoyl Peroxide will definately aggravate the skin, if you don't have active Acne below your lip then maybe consider not using the BP there.


well I get whiteheads.....so if I HAVE ACTIVE ACNE I SHOULDNT USE THEIS PEN


No, the pen should eradicate active Acne. By all means, pen away. In fact drop the BP and only use the pen.

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 04:59 PM

Interesting.

So this seriously works, at least on the smaller areas? I suppose if it worked, it could be a long term solution or what?

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 05:04 PM

QUOTE(SaveMe @ Feb 13 2006, 09:59 AM)

Interesting.

So this seriously works, at least on the smaller areas? I suppose if it worked, it could be a long term solution or what?


Yes, this seriously works. I'm almost clear from Light Therapy treatments, and i had severe Acne. I've now purchased my own lights for home use. My system allows full coverage though. But still, this pen should clear lesions and help them heal alot faster.

I've had my light for around 11 days now, i'll keep people posted as to how clear they get me.

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE(SaveMe @ Feb 12 2006, 03:59 PM)

Interesting.

So this seriously works, at least on the smaller areas? I suppose if it worked, it could be a long term solution or what?


Well, blue and red light should work based on some published research. How effective this pen is remains an open question. I am hopeful that it will help me get rid of the deep and painful ones that seem to linger forever, rather then expecting it to prevent all new breakouts. You would have to spend a lot of time going over your whole face to prevent any pimples from forming.

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 05:08 PM

QUOTE(Grow_To_Overthrow @ Feb 12 2006, 05:41 PM)

QUOTE(Mac @ Feb 13 2006, 09:38 AM)

QUOTE(Grow_To_Overthrow @ Feb 12 2006, 05:24 PM)

QUOTE(Mac @ Feb 13 2006, 05:00 AM)

ok I have this rendess on my left side below my lips..I really want it to go...like I have redness on my cheeks but I really want the one below my lip to go away I think the bp is aggarvating it...would the dermastly e work for that


Red light will help it heal considerably faster. Benzoyl Peroxide will definately aggravate the skin, if you don't have active Acne below your lip then maybe consider not using the BP there.


well I get whiteheads.....so if I HAVE ACTIVE ACNE I SHOULDNT USE THEIS PEN


No, the pen should eradicate active Acne. By all means, pen away. In fact drop the BP and only use the pen.


so should I buy it...

if so I was panning on stoping the bp on some parts and trying it there...but its the redness I want to try it on ....I just dont want to buy it and not work i know about the 30 day trial but still




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