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#61 iceboi

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 11:05 PM

Wow ur Regime looks really extensive!!

I'm thinking about trying some parts of ur Regime hopefull i see some slight results~!!

I'm pretty well amazed and impressed by ur critical change!!

Thanks for all the information and help

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:39 AM

Hey Antony,

I know this is a little stupid, but I would take out the whole "microwaving-water-for-facial-steam" from your regimen because this isn't particularly safe:



"Why does water react in a violent and dangerous way when overheated in a microwave oven? CA

Water doesn't always boil when it is heated above its normal boiling temperature (100 °C or 212 °F). The only thing that is certain is that above that temperature, a steam bubble that forms inside the body of the liquid will be able to withstand the crushing effects of atmospheric pressure. If no bubbles form, then boiling will simply remain a possibility, not a reality. Something has to trigger the formation of steam bubbles, a process known as "nucleation." If there is no nucleation of steam bubbles, there will be no boiling and therefore no effective limit to how hot the water can become.

Nucleation usually occurs at hot spots during stovetop cooking or at defects in the surfaces of cooking vessels. Glass containers have few or no such defects. When you cook water in a smooth glass container, using a microwave oven, it is quite possible that there will be no nucleation on the walls of the container and the water will superheat. This situation becomes even worse if the top surface of the water is "sealed" by a thin layer of oil or fat so that evaporation can't occur, either. Superheated water is extremely dangerous and people have been severely injured by such water. All it takes is some trigger to create the first bubble-a fork or spoon opening up the inner surface of the water or striking the bottom of the container-and an explosion follows. "

-- http://rabi.phys.virginia.edu/HTW/microwave_ovens.html



I know, I know, a little dweebie, but I would hate for someone to hurt themselves. Just so you know, I'm not particularly interested in microwaves, although they are neat little boxes. I found this out when I was making lip balm with beeswax. I read, after heating the beeswax in the microwave, that beeswax has the magical ability to burst into flames at a certain temperature, so direct heat should never be applied to it. I then tried to find how hot the microwave could heat things, and I didn't find that out, but I did find out about the water thing. It's too bad because heating water in microwaves has been one of my pastimes...

Oh, and fyi, the lip balm turned out hilariously bad. The ingredients didn't mix right at all, so it's like rubbing crayon against your lips. Sweet, I know.

Anyways.

Later gator,
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Posted 23 April 2005 - 10:05 AM

Hi Antony- I'm new to the forum but have been researching acne extensively for the past few months now- and I must say, your program has been the most beneficial treatment I've ever used. It has essentailly "cured" my mild-moderate acne which I've been fighting since the age of 13 (I'm now 19). The combination of internal cleansing, proper nutrition, and very modest topical treatments are awsome! Thanks again for your time, energy, and willingness to share ideas biggrin.gif

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 05:26 AM

QUOTE(igotmyphilosophy @ Apr 23 2005, 06:39 AM)
Hey Antony,

I know this is a little stupid, but I would take out the whole "microwaving-water-for-facial-steam" from your regimen because this isn't particularly safe:
"Why does water react in a violent and dangerous way when overheated in a microwave oven? CA

      Water doesn't always boil when it is heated above its normal boiling temperature (100 °C or 212 °F). The only thing that is certain is that above that temperature, a steam bubble that forms inside the body of the liquid will be able to withstand the crushing effects of atmospheric pressure. If no bubbles form, then boiling will simply remain a possibility, not a reality. Something has to trigger the formation of steam bubbles, a process known as "nucleation." If there is no nucleation of steam bubbles, there will be no boiling and therefore no effective limit to how hot the water can become.

      Nucleation usually occurs at hot spots during stovetop cooking or at defects in the surfaces of cooking vessels. Glass containers have few or no such defects. When you cook water in a smooth glass container, using a microwave oven, it is quite possible that there will be no nucleation on the walls of the container and the water will superheat. This situation becomes even worse if the top surface of the water is "sealed" by a thin layer of oil or fat so that evaporation can't occur, either. Superheated water is extremely dangerous and people have been severely injured by such water. All it takes is some trigger to create the first bubble-a fork or spoon opening up the inner surface of the water or striking the bottom of the container-and an explosion follows. "

-- http://rabi.phys.virginia.edu/HTW/microwave_ovens.html
I know, I know, a little dweebie, but I would hate for someone to hurt themselves. Just so you know, I'm not particularly interested in microwaves, although they are neat little boxes. I found this out when I was making lip balm with beeswax. I read, after heating the beeswax in the microwave, that beeswax has the magical ability to burst into flames at a certain temperature, so direct heat should never be applied to it. I then tried to find how hot the microwave could heat things, and I didn't find that out, but I did find out about the water thing. It's too bad because heating water in microwaves has been one of my pastimes...

Oh, and fyi, the lip balm turned out hilariously bad. The ingredients didn't mix right at all, so it's like rubbing crayon against your lips. Sweet, I know.

Anyways.

Later gator,
i.g.m.p.

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No, thank you very much for raising this point of which I was unaware. I will make the suitable change to my program and only recommend conventional boiling. I do not own a microwave myself and just added it as an option because I assumed that most other people nowadays prefer to microwave things to boiling them in a kettle or on a stove, and I worry that my program already LOOKS too difficult, tedious or inconvenient for a lot of people that I KNOW would get AMAZING results from it if they were just willing to give it a try for at least a week or two. Thank you for pointing that out-- I'm sure it shouldn't hassle people to take an extra minute or two to boil the water in a kettle instead of microwaving. Cheers!


QUOTE(BriGuy86 @ Apr 23 2005, 04:05 PM)
Hi Antony- I'm new to the forum but have been researching acne extensively for the past few months now- and I must say, your program has been the most beneficial treatment I've ever used. It has essentailly "cured" my mild-moderate acne which I've been fighting since the age of 13 (I'm now 19). The combination of internal cleansing, proper nutrition, and very modest topical treatments are awsome! Thanks again for your time, energy, and willingness to share ideas  biggrin.gif

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THIS MADE MY DAY!!! biggrin.gif Thank you so much for sharing your success with me BriGuy. I really hope that you are able to feasibly maintain your positive results with time, and that your improvement only continues. All the best, Antony

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 11:37 PM

For your fast flush part do u really have to do that?

I don't mind just eating the apples but the oil 200ml at night is there any way to substitute the oil thing?

Isn't oil bad for u?

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 10:12 AM

No, olive oil and espcially "extra virgin olive oil" is a special kind of very healthy fat that has actually been proven to reduce the risk of heart disease, several types of cancer and cholesterol problems. Moreoever, when ingested along with the lemon juice it passes very quickly through your system. It is absolutely necessary to do this or else the flush simply does not happen and you severely undermine your own efforts. The first time I did I felt quite nauseous and almost threw up. You may well throw up; some do. If this happens, allow yourself some time to recover, and drink it down again. Without drinking the oilve oil and lemon the flush simply cannot happen and you will not see a tenth the results from the fast as by drinking it. If you do feel very nauseous one thing you can do is take "ALKA-SELTZER GOLD"-- it is very important to take the Gold kind and is this does not put so much chemicals in you as to disrupt the cleansing process. It can be tough but after the fast-flush the program only gets easier and more enjoyable as you start seeing serious results. Ask yourself whether an hour or two of possible nausea is worth it for clear skin. I don't know, maybe for some people it isn't, but for me it was! If you can manage with the olive oil and lemon solution, it is VERY, VERY, VERY much worth it! smile.gif
Good luck!

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 10:42 AM

Antony, I'm interested to know whether you're going to continue doing liver flushes whilst on your accutane course? I recall reading on curezone that they recommend you finish a course before starting/continuing liver flushing. What's your stance on it?

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 11:03 AM

Hi Rossignol, no I am not going to do any fasting or flushing of any kind while on Accutane as I have also been advised against this by several naturopaths and doctors (even the few I've found who put any credence in flushing/fasting to begin with!), for several reasons, including minimal dietary fat intake for optimal Accutane absorption, nutritionally bolstering the body's ability to deal with such a powerful drug, and leaving the liver as it is as the precise interaction between a bile/cholesterol flush from the gallbladder and liver and Accutane's vitamin A/fatty deposit effect on the liver has not been ascertained, so it would be best to avoid flushing/fasting during a course. I do however follow everything else in my program while on Accutane with the obvious exception of any vitamin A supplementation.

I am also going to get right into another fast-flush as soon as I finish my course of Accutane in order to begin repairing and building back my liver function after its almost certain impairment to some extent from the Accutane, in addition to generally detox-ing and revitalizing my body and general health after putting such a powerful drug into my system every day for half a year!

Keep up the great work with your excellent Moderating! biggrin.gif

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 05:05 PM

That's way too much work, my eating habits are strict enough, I'll stick to my BP.

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 02:35 AM

where can i buy epsom salts??

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 04:45 AM

QUOTE(Antony @ Apr 25 2005, 06:03 PM)
Hi Rossignol, no I am not going to do any fasting or flushing of any kind while on Accutane as I have also been advised against this by several naturopaths and doctors (even the few I've found who put any credence in flushing/fasting to begin with!), for several reasons, including minimal dietary fat intake for optimal Accutane absorption,

That's interesting - I thought fat was essential for the body's optimum absorption of vitamin A...seeing as accutane's a derivative of vitamin A, wouldn't more fat be needed in the diet to help with absorption? Or is it the fact that it IS a derivative, and not the same, that makes the difference? eusa_think.gif I'm answering my own question now, but now that I think about it, it's the liver's job to process fat, isn't it, so I suppose eating more fat would be taxing the liver, which would interfere with it's processing of the accutane? Hmm. Sorry - I'm not as clued up on nutrition as I ought to be! (I tend to stick to the scar forum mainly)

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I am also going to get right into another fast-flush as soon as I finish my course of Accutane in order to begin repairing and building back my liver function after its almost certain impairment to some extent from the Accutane, in addition to generally detox-ing and revitalizing my body and general health after putting such a powerful drug into my system every day for half a year!

I think a good system of internal cleansing is pretty much essential following an accutane course, firstly as you said to cleanse the system of the drug, and also to maintain the clear skin it should have given you. I found taking the Chinese Bitters from Sensiblehealth.com seemed to help - they're meant to help cleanse the liver following a course of drugs, and are generally an excellent product. (I never got round to doing any liver flushes but taking bitters and doing regular colon cleanses, along with supplementation has seemed to have returned my healing capacities to pretty well normal, just over a year on smile.gif )

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Cheers for that! It's nice when it's appreciated! cool.gif But unfortunately I'm back at uni now so I won't be able to moderate as much for the rest of the term (I don't have regular internet access here, as my rented house is still stuck in the stone age).
Good luck with the rest of your accutane course, anyway and thankyou for your continually interesting and insightful posts!

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 10:26 PM

sorry rossignol my meaning wasn't clear: i will avoid fasting/flushing while on Accutane because you DO want a minimum dietary fat intake along with your Accutane doses but you're not getting this while fasting, along with other possible contraindications including liver flushing when your liver is already vulnerable while on the drug. This DOES enhance vitamin A absorption (some studies show that the difference between Accutane with just a glass of water versus with a filling and therefore somewhat fatty meal can be as much as double the amount of concentration in the blood plasma when taken with the meal rather than just alone). Don't know of studies into whether properly/improperly taking doses along these or other lines may play a role in the likelihood of relapse vs remission of acne after a course of Accutane, but it is worth doing all you can to get the most of the course.

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 07:44 AM

Hi Antony,

I'm sure you've checked this a bunch of times, but is taking all those vitamins safe? I imagine there are overlaps of vitamin content between the multi-vitamin and the individual vitamins. And do you have to continue taking them after they run out, which, I'm assuming, will be a month or so after the initial month of the program? Because that's alot of pills to juggle... Is there one or just a few that you maintain with?

I'm really interested in trying your program over the summer, because I would love to finally have clear, healthy skin, which is how your skin looked after your program.

Anyways, let me know, and I hope you're doing well.

-i.g.m.p.

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 03:30 PM

Hey man your reults are amazing i have similair acne to as when you started. I would do your regimen except for that as a bodybuilder I have my own diet which i must follow to see my gains. I eat Chicken breast, eggwhites, and green beans thats pretty much it. Is this food good. And some proteins shakes. Im afriad that your diet doesnt have enough protein that i require.

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 03:15 AM

Antony, I'd say this is an excellent program. And like you, I've also condensed a plethora of information (from e-books, etc)) into a personalized program, except I found it was too late when I found that I really didn't need all the vitamin supplements, I could simply get most of them from the raw vegetables I ate. I also never fasted before, I'll probably do that next time. Oh, and liver and colon cleansing was the prime solution for solving my acne.

So, way to go, man!


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Posted 29 April 2005 - 11:37 PM

anthony,

do you know anything about "Malus officinalis" a lectin in apples that apparently we can't break down?

could this be a problem for an acne-diet, because your apple fast obviously helped, but I have heard "lectins" are evil -- hence the "evil lectin diet" which clears people 100%




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Posted 30 April 2005 - 12:27 AM

QUOTE(eric_in_va @ Apr 29 2005, 10:37 PM)
anthony,

do you know anything about "Malus officinalis" a lectin in apples that apparently we can't break down?

could this be a problem for an acne-diet, because your apple fast obviously helped, but I have heard "lectins" are evil  -- hence the "evil lectin diet" which clears people 100%

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Oh my, "evil" lectins is only used to help differentiate those from "good" or regular lectins because not all lectins are problematic. Therefore apples should be fine, although I've never researched them. I am also not aware of anyone having a problem with apples, unless it's due to some sort of candida problem (fruit sugar wouldnt be good).

Feel a bit better now?

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 10:08 AM

always...


except one suspect leads to another: how do you know you if you have candida?

i have broken out in little whiteheads around my mouth for a while on and off, the past 3 days about 4 different ones, they go away pretty quickly, but I haven't HAD ANY sugar except for raisens, kiwi, apples, and berries.

maybe stress from wednesday, maybe my chapstick spilling over, but maybe not!?





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Posted 03 May 2005 - 02:28 AM

can i eat red apples???? instead of the green one?? pls reply as fast u can plsss

because i think u are the one can solve my problem..... heheheheh

U RULE!!!

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Posted 03 May 2005 - 06:13 AM

QUOTE(carmina16 @ May 3 2005, 08:28 AM)
can i eat red apples???? instead of the green one?? pls reply as fast u can plsss

because i think u are the one can solve my problem..... heheheheh

U RULE!!!

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hello carmina16: if you have access to a supermarket then you have access to golden delicious apples, whether regular or organic. The efficacy of the fast using red (such as braeburn or washington) versus green (specifically golden delicious) is unverified, but throughout the fast's practice over decades it has emerged that golden delicious apples in particular are the most effective. So the answer is: no, do not eat red apples; eat only golden delicious apples, as many as you need to so that you are not hungry, and ideally make them organic but if necessary regular ones are fine. It doesn't matter if you prefer the taste of one to the other: this isn't about taste, this is about acne. It's only for 3 days and then you can begin the delicious anti-inflammatory diet and then phase in some regular foods. Good luck!





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