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[alliask]

I'm on Day 5 of the fast flush. Last night was one of the most disgusting nights I have ever endured. The epsom salt drinks.... and the cup of olive oil. OMFG. I kept burping as I was laying in bed and tasting that vileness in my mouth over and over. I dreamt of throwing up and just giving up this flush altogether. I'm not sure if I can handle this again.

I also couldn't sleep laying in the left side position, but I managed to lay there for 2 hours. Perhaps it's my problem that I couldn't sleep in that position cause I'm used to sleeping at 3am, but I had tried to sleep at 11pm last night.

I just took my first epsom salt drink this mornign. When I take the epsom salt drink, I just down it and imagine myself drowning in a swimming pool because the solution tastes like cholorinated water. Not a pleasant taste/feeling. I'd better see some green balls coming out of my ass later, otherwise I'll be deeply disappointed.

[bexi]

Thats false. But part of its right.

Your putting alot of synthetic crap on and in your body. Thats not natural. The sleeping time is wrong.  You should... get 8 hours of sleep, it doesnt have to be 9 hours for teenagers, but you should awake when you wake up, which is usally 8-9 hours.  Sleep deprivation is a problem and its one of the main reason why you get acne depending on your overall sleep patterns as you grew up. It increases alot of things because your body is not getting the proper sleep so it has to produce all this energy that it doesnt have from not getting sleep.

But you should be going to bed at 9pm Not 11pm.  Thats your mistake.  Is your face completly baby butt clear from what your doing, I wouldnt think so with all the stuff your doing to your body.  The healing hormones are produced between 10pm and 2am, so you should be going to bed 9, 930pm.  The healing hormones strengthen the immune system, the liver, the kidneys, the body etc. The body can not produce healthy cells if your not sleeping the proper time.  I bet if you stopped all those things, your face would flare up for a couple weeks because of all those chemicals and synthetic vitamins your taking. That would mean its not working right for your body and your face is an outlit for releasing toxins when it comes to acne.  Try getting off of what your doing for a couple weeks and try going to bed at 9- 930pm and not 11. 11 is too late, its passed the 10pm healing production.  Im not an expert but I know what I know from books, and people who care about the health in this country. Try it.
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So are you trying to say that your body somehow knows that it is 10 o'clock and its time to release healing hormones? Sorry, but I find that somewhat farfetched. Sure, you need to sleep a certain amount each day, preferably at night time which fits in with the bodies naturtal circadian rhythms which respond to daylight and darkness, but surely the 'healing hormones' that you talk of are produced regardless of when you go to bed - as long as you are achieving the deep delta stage of sleep then the benefits that you talk of will be achieved regardless of whether you hit the hay before or after 10 pm. I understand that you feel it important to stress the necessity of a good nights kip, but I think that it is unrealistic to expect adults with busy lives and young people who have to sometimes burn the midnight oil studying for exams and suchlike to consistently be in bed before 10 pm - its just not realistic. Having acne is a stressout as it is without labouring people who have it with the burden of worring about bedtime curfews as well.
Not having a go mate, just offering a different perspective. I just don't think that the body works in a way that is determined by precisely what time it says on the clock - surely the human body is a bit more adaptable than that? What about equatorial countries where it does'nt get dark until after 10 pm? Do their healing hormones start releasing a bit later than other parts of the world?
Sorry, but I'm not convinced....

[bexi]

ignore double post!!

[stillNotGetNnE]

Isn't everyone's internal clock a little different? Perhaps some people have grown up accustomed to sleeping later and waking up later, and their bodies have adapted accordingly. Is 10pm the right time for everyone? Also, what if there was someone who has moved here from China? I think there is a 14 hour difference there, so sleeping at 10pm in the US would be like sleeping at 12pm for them, according to their internal clock. Is that gonna wreak havoc on his/her body? Or are you saying we need to sleep at 10pm with no respect to what country we're in, because our sleeping schedule is supposed to pattern the sunlight/daylight/moon cycle?

Exactly. Our bodies are designed and work according to the sunlight coming through our eyes. The japanese eat and drink alot of stuff that is made from the sea which is very healthy which is why they are so healthy and vibrant and smart.

Yes we should be sleeping by 10pm because the healing hormones are produced at 10pm and 2am.... are the strongest. Probably the moon cycle and when the sun goes down, just the natural process... like you said. Its called the Circadian Rhythem and are bodies are just designed that way. Its proven.

So are you trying to say that your body somehow knows that it is 10 o'clock and its time to release healing hormones? Sorry, but I find that somewhat farfetched.

Its a fact and has been proven. Search it as well, Also check out about Dr. Lorraine Day, or go to my board, I have her infomercial available to read. She was doctor that developed cancer and refused drugs and rebuilt her ammune system and sleep was a main part of her system in getting well.

Sure, you need to sleep a certain amount each day, preferably at night time which fits in with the bodies naturtal circadian rhythms which respond to daylight and darkness, but surely the 'healing hormones' that you talk of are produced regardless of when you go to bed - as long as you are achieving the deep delta stage of sleep then the benefits that you talk of will be achieved regardless of whether you hit the hay before or after 10 pm. I understand that you feel it important to stress the necessity of a good nights kip, but I think that it is unrealistic to expect adults with busy lives and young people who have to sometimes burn the midnight oil studying for exams and suchlike to consistently be in bed before 10 pm - its just not realistic.

Like I said, its a fact. They dont produce right when you fall asleep, theres a specific life cycle time that they start to heal the body, strengthen the immune system. I dont expect anyone to go to bed that have buisy life styles or expect them to change. But you shouldnt be staying up till midnight studying, theres plenty time for that but if thats what they want to do, thats what they want to. People will do what they want, eat the way they want, and live the way they want until they develop a disease, then they reconsider. Think about it

In your brain is a type of "pacemaker" called the suprachiasmatic (soo-prah-ki-az-MAT-ik) nuclei. This area of your brain regulates the firing of nerve cells that seem to set your circadian rhythms.

Scientists can't explain precisely how this area in your brain "keeps time." They do know your brain relies on outside influences, "zeitgebers" (ZITE-ga-berz), to keep it on a 24-hour schedule.

The most obvious zeitgeber is daylight. When daylight hits your eyes, cells in the retinas signal your brain. Other zeitgebers are sleep, social contact and even regular meal times. They all send "timekeeping" clues to your brain, helping keep your circadian rhythms running according to schedule.


Sleep and wake--It may seem you sleep when you're tired and wake when you're rested. But your sleep patterns follow a circadian rhythm.

You're most likely to sleep soundly when your temperature is lowest, in the wee hours of the morning. You're also most likely to awaken when your temperature starts to rise around 6 to 8 a.m.

As you age, your brain's "pacemaker" loses cells. This changes your circadian rhythms, especially noticeable in how you sleep. You may nap more, have disrupted sleep and awaken earlier.

Temperature--Your temperature is lowest when you're inactive. And activity can make your temperature rise. But despite these factors, your temperature also follows a definite circadian rhythm.

In the late afternoon, your temperature can be as much as 2 degrees Fahrenheit higher than in the morning. And it will rise and fall even if you never see daylight.

Growth hormones stimulate growth in children and help maintain muscle and connective tissue in adults. Sleep triggers hormone production, regardless of when you go to bed. Production peaks during the first two hours of sleep and lower a couple hours- few before you awake. The temperature as the sun and its energy starts to rise before and after signal the air and your brain. If you're sleep deprived, production drops.


Try it before you question it. Try going to bed by 930-10...

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[zf007]

I hope ill be able to down those drinks, the lemon is bad enough so im not too sure.. ill try my hardest though.

It not that hard to drink down the oil, but when you lie down on the bed, you will feel awful

[¢hris]

Another quick question:

Does it matter if I drink Green Tea that has a hint of mint in the title, or am I just being a dick and Green Tea is tea with a hint of mint?

Antony,

What is the best way to cleanse using the Nivea Baby Cleansing Milk?

Do you rub into a lather on a wet face & then rinse off or am I doing it completely wrong because according to the website from which I ordered the product, it says that there is no need to rinse it off and that I should apply it with a soft cotton pad; but this seems unrealistic to do in the shower & if I've been sweating, not rinsing it off seems... dirty? 

Chris.

[katatonia]

Antony,

I took the time last night to read through this whole thread and I must say that this regimen seems to be the best I've come across so far.

I plan on carrying out the fast-flush & rebuilding diet, including cleansing regimen and followed by the supplementation during my Summer break when I get a few quiet days to myself.

However, I have a few questions which I would be very grateful if you could answer:

1. Where exactly can I get Cream of Tarter and what exactly does it do for acne?

2. What are the effects of tomatoes, spring onion, bananas & oranges on acne? Are any of them bad for an acne-prone individual?

3. When you say oatmeal, is that the same as porridge oats?

4. When you say that you must drink 1/2 a lemon squeeze per liter of water, what size of lemon do you mean, as I have small and large lemons in the house?

5. When you say 1-3 portions of chicken/turkey, how big is a portion? Similarily, when you say 1-2 portions of tuna/cod/mackerel etc., how big is a portion?


I'm a 17 year old male from United Kingdom with what seems to be teenage hormonal acne, which is very distressing for me. I hope this program works for me, just as it worked for you. Thanks very much for sharing it with us.

Best wishes & anxiously awaiting a reply,

Kata.

[stillNotGetNnE]

What are the effects of tomatoes, spring onion, bananas & oranges on acne? Are any of them bad for an acne-prone individual?

Why would tomatoes, onions, bananas, and oranges be bad for acne. Those are natural foods.
If people do get worse after they take, its prob the reaction to taking healthy food and trying to get rid of the chemicals your putting on your face and from your body. Im my opinion.

[Antony]

KATA:

1. Where exactly can I get Cream of Tarter and what exactly does it do for acne?

at any supermarket; helps flush out bowels for efficient elimination, important for acne

2. What are the effects of tomatoes, spring onion, bananas & oranges on acne? Are any of them bad for an acne-prone individual?

All are healthy but for acne specifically, only thing to consider is their GI-value, ie how quickly they raise blood sugar and thus trigger insulin production (bad for acne) when eaten at once. For acne you want to limit your intake of too much sugar AT ONE MOMENT, and thus in the case of the foods you mention the oly one meriting any concern are bananas-- do not eat more than half a banana at any one time, as otherwise it rapidly elevates blood sugar, overburdening the liver with insulin, promoting cellular inflammation and stepping up androgen production, and potentailly worsening or causing acne in the acne-prone.

3. When you say oatmeal, is that the same as porridge oats?

yes, same thing

4. When you say that you must drink 1/2 a lemon squeeze per liter of water, what size of lemon do you mean, as I have small and large lemons in the house?

now THAT'S nit-picking LOL! doesn't matter, don't worry about the details so much

5. When you say 1-3 portions of chicken/turkey, how big is a portion? Similarily, when you say 1-2 portions of tuna/cod/mackerel etc., how big is a portion?
I'm a 17 year old male from United Kingdom with what seems to be teenage hormonal acne, which is very distressing for me. I hope this program works for me, just as it worked for you. Thanks very much for sharing it with us.

a portion of chicken would be a leg or a breast, a portion of turkey would be a slice

I now what you're going through because when I was 17 I had to deal with exactly what you're going through. Hang in there, be strong, you're going to make it through this.

Give this program 1-2 months of solid effort and you will almost certainly clear up to the clearest you've been in years. If you don't improve to a satisfactory level despite really giving it a go-- and I believe you will-- then I would suggest you look into Accutane as your 'failsafe'. On the bright side: whether by the former or the latter, you WILL clear up your acne. good luck!

[katatonia]

KATA:

1. Where exactly can I get Cream of Tarter and what exactly does it do for acne?

at any supermarket; helps flush out bowels for efficient elimination, important for acne

2. What are the effects of tomatoes, spring onion, bananas & oranges on acne? Are any of them bad for an acne-prone individual?

All are healthy but for acne specifically, only thing to consider is their GI-value, ie how quickly they raise blood sugar and thus trigger insulin production (bad for acne) when eaten at once. For acne you want to limit your intake of too much sugar AT ONE MOMENT, and thus in the case of the foods you mention the oly one meriting any concern are bananas-- do not eat more than half a banana at any one time, as otherwise it rapidly elevates blood sugar, overburdening the liver with insulin, promoting cellular inflammation and stepping up androgen production, and potentailly worsening or causing acne in the acne-prone.

3. When you say oatmeal, is that the same as porridge oats?

yes, same thing

4. When you say that you must drink 1/2 a lemon squeeze per liter of water, what size of lemon do you mean, as I have small and large lemons in the house?

now THAT'S nit-picking LOL!   doesn't matter, don't worry about the details so much

5. When you say 1-3 portions of chicken/turkey, how big is a portion? Similarily, when you say 1-2 portions of tuna/cod/mackerel etc., how big is a portion?
I'm a 17 year old male from United Kingdom with what seems to be teenage hormonal acne, which is very distressing for me. I hope this program works for me, just as it worked for you. Thanks very much for sharing it with us.

a portion of chicken would be a leg or a breast, a portion of turkey would be a slice

I now what you're going through because when I was 17 I had to deal with exactly what you're going through. Hang in there, be strong, you're going to make it through this.

Give this program 1-2 months of solid effort and you will almost certainly clear up to the clearest you've been in years. If you don't improve to a satisfactory level despite really giving it a go-- and I believe you will-- then I would suggest you look into Accutane as your 'failsafe'. On the bright side: whether by the former or the latter, you WILL clear up your acne. good luck!

Thankyou very much for your lengthy reply, Antony. You are truly a very helpful person and it's greatly appreciated. Yes, I will try the program to the very best of my efforts and, as you said, will continue for a good 1-2 months before I make a judgement on whether or not Accutane is really necessary.

One more small question for yourself, or indeed anyone who has their own experience of the fast-flush:

Can I expect a breakout on completion of the flush, and if so, how severe?

Obviously this is an important factor in my mind because it is the summer holidays and I expect to be out every day in the sun with friends and meeting girlies.

EDIT: One more quick question; last one, I promise

Would taking a tablespoon of Cod Liver Oil after breakfast, lunch & dinner be a suitable substitute for the 1 tablespoon Total EFA? Is the Cod Liver Oil the good Essential Fatty Acid Omega-3 oil blend alternative which you offered in your program?

Thanks again,

Kata.

[stillNotGetNnE]

I would have to say the reason why your "acne program" somewhat to good results is because your putting alot of nutrition in your body with all those fruits and veg and natural things you mentioned to take and eat etc... And water is always good for your body, i drink atleast a gallon a day. Your body recognizes those natural things and processes those things better and helps your immune system gain strength. But you should try sleeping too. Going to bed before and by 10pm.

[Supremeone]

Thankyou very much for your lengthy reply, Antony. You are truly a very helpful person and it's greatly appreciated. Yes, I will try the program to the very best of my efforts and, as you said, will continue for a good 1-2 months before I make a judgement on whether or not Accutane is really necessary.

Yeah, Anthony is cool shit. Glad to see hes still helping people get a handle on his lengthy program

So I got most of the stuff so far. Just need to get a few more things. I was really surprised at the price of some of the items, like MSM. But I really want to get the most out of this program. So going to get as much stuff as I can.

I just have a question regarding cream of tartar, p&b shakes and enemas. Is cream of tartar the cheapest, than p&b shakes than enemas? Also does anyone know how effective each one is. I'd rather get cream of tartar if its cheaper than the shakes/enemas and if its just as effective.

Also another thing I need to figure out before I buy the rest of the stuff.. Is how important is olive leaf extract and oregano oil? I definitely want to take garlic because I've heard good things about that. Price isn't really an issue but wondering if they help acne much or more for just immune system or something.

[igotmyphilosophy]

antony, this is just a little something that i've never quite gotten with your program:

on your diet protocol, it says to drink 1 L of lemon water at 10AM, 3PM, and 9PM, while also specifying not to drink within two hours before or after any meal.

so are we supposed to down a liter of water in one sitting? isn't that... uncomfortable? and is it, dare i say, totally necessary to do it that way?

[Antony]

Yeah, Anthony is cool shit.  Glad to see hes still helping people get a handle on his lengthy program

So I got most of the stuff so far.  Just need to get a few more things.  I was really surprised at the price of some of the items, like MSM.  But I really want to get the most out of this program.  So going to get as much stuff as I can.

I just have a question regarding cream of tartar, p&b shakes and enemas.  Is cream of tartar the cheapest, than p&b shakes than enemas?  Also does anyone know how effective each one is.  I'd rather get cream of tartar if its cheaper than the shakes/enemas and if its just as effective. 

Also another thing I need to figure out before I buy the rest of the stuff..  Is how important is olive leaf extract and oregano oil?  I definitely want to take garlic because I've heard good things about that.  Price isn't really an issue but wondering if they help acne much or more for just immune system or something.

Regarding pricey MSM-- I encourage you to look around at a few of the sites I linked before buying because prices can vary dramatically. Enemas are by far the most effective cleansing method, followed by P&B shakes-- I only include cream of tartar because it's easy enough for anyone to do, but if you have the choice either enema or P&B would be much better.

Olive leaf and oregano oil are potent antibacterials that are extremely powerful against acne bacteria and are especially effective for anyone with cystic and/or truncal (body) acne. Taken with the garlic the combination is probably at least as potent as any acne antibiotic (to say nothing of their effectiveness when coupled with the rest of the supplementation program).

antony, this is just a little something that i've never quite gotten with your program:

on your diet protocol, it says to drink 1 L of lemon water at 10AM, 3PM, and 9PM, while also specifying not to drink within two hours before or after any meal.

so are we supposed to down a liter of water in one sitting? isn't that... uncomfortable? and is it, dare i say, totally necessary to do it that way?

Drink the 1 L over 5-15 minutes. It actually isn't that difficult to drink a liter of water in that amount of time-- you simply are not used to it; it is really a mental block rather than a physical one. The point is simply to avoid drinking too much water too close to meals, as it dilutes the digestive juices and impairs digestion (also note in the program where it says that food should always be chewed as thoroughly as possible for quick and easy digestion). The menu and dietary tips are essentially guidelines for you to adapt as is practical, so see with experience what amount of water you can comfortably take in so long as it is not within about an hour or so of a meal. The 'two hours' may be a bit restrictive I'll admit-- 1 hour before or after a meal should be fine. That gives you the opportunity to drink 1 L over the course of an hour; essentially just try not to drink too much too close to meals. Good luck!

[Gene Genie]

Another quick question:

Does it matter if I drink Green Tea that has a hint of mint in the title, or am I just being a dick and Green Tea is tea with a hint of mint?

Hey Chris!
No, green tea does not normally have mint, I'd say the brand you were looking at has mint added, to improve taste etc... I'd say your best bet would be to look at the ingredients list. If it's natural mint that's added go ahead. But if it's a synthetic flavouring I'd say stay away...

Hope this helps...

[Antony]

Thankyou very much for your lengthy reply, Antony. You are truly a very helpful person and it's greatly appreciated. Yes, I will try the program to the very best of my efforts and, as you said, will continue for a good 1-2 months before I make a judgement on whether or not Accutane is really necessary.

One more small question for yourself, or indeed anyone who has their own experience of the fast-flush:

Can I expect a breakout on completion of the flush, and if so, how severe?

Obviously this is an important factor in my mind because it is the summer holidays and I expect to be out every day in the sun with friends and meeting girlies. 

EDIT: One more quick question; last one, I promise 

Would taking a tablespoon of Cod Liver Oil after breakfast, lunch & dinner be a suitable substitute for the 1 tablespoon Total EFA? Is the Cod Liver Oil the good Essential Fatty Acid Omega-3 oil blend alternative which you offered in your program?

Thanks again,

Kata.

If you ensure efficient elimination during the fast-flush (ie. enemas or P&B shakes or cream of tartar, in order of effectiveness) then any possible temporary flare-up of acne should be mild at worst. This can also be further minimized if you use a sauna as suggested under the fast-flush protocol in the program. Takin Cod Liver Oil is an acceptable alternative to my recommended EFA blend BUT as cod liver oil is very rich in vitamin A, if you choose to supplement with it in the amount of 3 tblspoons/day (45ml/day) I would recommend altogether eliminating the vitamin A supplementation. Good luck!

[Mildly Annoying]

Awesome guide.
I'd like to say that hydration is the most important part of the regimen.
If you are too lazy to do the whole lot then just make sure you are having 8-10 glasses of purified water a day over the course of the day. To be precise you should be drinking enough water to keep your urine just clear. This is a useful guide for when you are ill and losing fluids.
Diuretics (dehydraters) such as alcohol, coffee, tea, and cola drinks should be kept to a minimum. Not abolished, just minimized to once sometimes twice a day. When drinking alcohol (having a session) drink plenty of water as well.

As for diet if you are lazy follow the 80-20 rule. Eat healthy 80% of the time and keep junk to a minimum about 20%.
Mild exercise such as walking helps circulation.


When u look at all the myths surrounding acne you can see how they are linked to dehydration.
Stress: People chain drinking coffee and caffeinated sodas or even swallowing caffeine pills.
Exercise (including sex): Loosing fluids without drinking water.
Sun/Holidays getting rid of Acne: Tend to drink water on holidays whilst sunbathing without the office coffee pot/Soda machine being around.

[katatonia]

Antony,

What are your thoughts on adding the use of BP Gel to my/your regimen?

I tried applying it during the night time cleansing only; after showering, before applying mositurizer.

Would you disrecommend this?

Kata.

[Tycho]

Do you think it would be ok for me to add 10g b5 vitamin to your program ?
Im doing the cleansing part, and im taking Derma cleanse, and all the vitamins u recommended exept multi B.

Im not doing the the diet part since i allready got a pretty good and healthy diet and i really dont think thats my problem.

I started the program about 5 days ago, and im noticing an overall improvement in my skin, i had a pretty bad breakout before i started that is still healing tough.

[Tycho]

And also, can the ZENMED DermaCleanse cause an initial breakout in the first 2-4 days, cause i think i might be having one