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#1 Dave Clear Face

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Posted 12 March 2005 - 06:17 AM

Hi Guys, this is the first time I've been to this site, and I think it looks pretty supportive. There's some people who I guess have it really bad, and so best wishes to all of you.

Having said this, I myself have some acne on my back and chest. I do a lot of heavy weightlifting and I'm wondering if my testosterone levels may have much to do with my acne? I'm not so much inclined to think that weightlifting significantly affects testosterone production in the body, as much as I would say higher levels of testosterone from genetic factors. I am supposing this only through seeing results in the gym, which is the gaining of lots of muscle in very short time, and high aggression when it comes to lifting. lol....don't worry, i'm perfectly fine here outside the gym smile.gif

Bottom line: How much does testosterone affect acne?

BTW, I am all natural, no steroids/anabolic stuff. I've tried accutane and it seems to work well, but it had some pretty bad side effects in joint with heavy workouts for me. I'm looking to go without powerful antibiotics and for more topical treatments.

Anyone have suggestions?

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Posted 12 March 2005 - 10:35 PM

Hi there.

The only thing I can think of is the fact that you do sweat when lifting, and your shirt rubs against you. I read that after weight lifting you should shower immediately to wash off the sweat, so it doesn't stay trapped against the skin with the heat of your shirt, causing acne. Just my two cents. smile.gif Goodluck! eusa_dance.gif

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 04:12 AM

I'm in pretty much the same boat, my own personal conclusion is that if the increased test does have an effect, it's negligible enough to be countered without any radical action.

The main culprit for my back, chest, and shoulder acne (because mine is predominantly on my shoulders) is probably friction and irritation. I've noticed that itching or rubbing my skin causes acne in that area. Obviously I'm now trying to avoid such, but it's a slow process. In the past I've pretty much scratched my back and shoulders every time they itch, so as a result I've got tons of red marks from past acne. This means it's pretty tough to tell if I'm putting a dent on the problem, but I think that slowly I am.

My own opinion is this. The best way to prevent more acne is with salycylic acid. Try and find a body wash with this in it. The best way to get rid of the red marks from past acne is glycolic acid. AHA enhanced lotion or creme is my choice for my back.

At this point in my life I care alot more about trying to add muscle then I do clearing up my back and chest. It's frustrating that it doesn't matter how tone you are if your body is plagued by acne, but I've pretty much just conceded the present for the future, and the time in the gym will eventually pay off.

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 12:39 PM

1. Regarding test levels, yes increased test can cause breakouts. That is why one of the side effects of steroids is acne. However, this type of acne can be controlled with proper treatment especially if you are a natural body builder.

2. Regarding bacne, I've noticed that if I strip my shirt immediately after a workout and wash with BP and SA, the breakouts have all but stopped. I'm much clearer now. Cotton causes the sweat to stick on your back and clog pores. For years I wondered why I never broke out on my face only on my back. Then I noticed after I workout (this is gross) I had sweat on my upper back and shoulders. There seems to be a coorelation. Maybe its placebo, but since I've been taking the shirt off right away, and cleansing, the breakouts have stopped. If you can't shower right away, at least bring a clean shirt and take the sweaty one off.

3. Finally, Vitamin B5 (Panththenic Acid), 10 grams a day split into four doses throughout the day. For 80% of people, this clears 90% of body acne within three weeks.

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 11:54 AM

QUOTE(Ol'Skewl @ Mar 13 2005, 06:39 PM)
1. Regarding test levels, yes increased test can cause breakouts. That is why one of the side effects of steroids is acne. However, this type of acne can be controlled with proper treatment especially if you are a natural body builder.

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Wrong. The reason people get acne when taking steroids is their lack of knowledge on what they are doing. If you keep the level of hormone in your system constant and even, you will have no problem at all. People break out when they have the hormone levels all over the place. Just another myth in the media, don't spread what you dont know.



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Posted 14 March 2005 - 10:15 PM

[QUOTE]Wrong. The reason people get acne when taking steroids is their lack of knowledge on what they are doing. If you keep the level of hormone in your system constant and even, you will have no problem at all. People break out when they have the hormone levels all over the place. Just another myth in the media, don't spread what you dont know.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps my statement was a bit general. But the concept is the same. The development of acne with steroid use and its extent depends largely upon the individual's constitution, the consumed steroids, and the dosage. The receptors of the sebaceous glands have a high affinity to DHT so that one must assume that steroids, which are partially transformed into DHT in the body, are the main cause.

This may also be the reason why the injectable testosterone, followed by Anadrol and Dianabol, are the number one cause of acne. With the increased sebaceous gland production oily skin occurs and, in combination with bacteria and dead skin, the pores become clogged. This can further, depending on one's disposition, lead to blackheads, pimples, pustules (filled with pus), or even cystes. Males experience the acne mainly on the back, shoulders and chest, less in the face, whereas female athletes are mainly affected in the face and on back and shoulder. Not only is there damage to the body's largest organ, the skin, but the noticeable acne is, even for an outsider, a distinct sign of steroid use.

Furthermore, it is laughable you would use the terms "injecting oneself with artifical hormones" and "constant and even hormone levels" in the same paragraph. I suppose you're one of those people who believe steroids are safe and its all a big conspiracy theory. Get real. Steroids are dangerous and the side effects are numerous, acne is one of them. Give me one study that shows scientific evidence that there is a safe way to take steroids and have no side effects. I'll save you time...there are zero. But there are thousands of legitimate scientific studies proving the reactions steroids will have on the body are unpredictable and that counteracting one drug with another drug is not "safe" or "balancing", its even more ignorant to believe a drug can counteract another drug and that is healthy and causes no side effects.

If you want to believe all these scientists are involved in a conspiracy, go ahead, but do not tell me I'm the one that is delusional. lol.gif

Physical side effects:

Cancer...
Liver Damage...
Feminizing effects in males (growth of breast tissue)...
Male attributes in females (deepening of voice, excessive hair growth)...
Enlarged clitoris...
Shrunken testicles...
Limb loss...
Heart disease/heart attacks...
Physical addiction...
HIV/AIDS from the sharing of needles...
Reduced sperm count...
Impotence...
Infertility...
Baldness...
Pain and difficulty urinating...
Enlarged prostate...
Baldness...
Smaller Breast in women...
Menstrual cycle stops...
Adolescents experience premature closure of the growth plates (stunted growth)...

These are some of the physical side effects associated with steroid use. As you can see these drugs can affect the body in a very negative way. Despite all of these proven side effects people are still taking steroids. These side effects may not appear in all users at first. It is likely though with the long term usage of steroids that one or more of these side effects will occur in the user. These can be minor changes in the body and they can be extreme changes. It all depends on the dosage and duration of the usage. These are very good examples of why not to take steroids. Doctors are still discovering new side effects today, and there are still a lot of unknown problems with the newer more advanced steroids that will turn up. The trouble is people are taking steroids to look better and get stronger, faster, and quicker with no effort. What they are actually getting is a body that is like a time bomb waiting to explode. These drugs may help you look good for a short period of time, but they are also destroying the users body.
Physiological side effects

ROID RAGE (extreme uncontrollable aggression due to high levels of testosterone)
Irritability..
Aggressiveness...
Depression...
Mood swings...
Altered libido...
Psychosis...
Mental addiction...

These are the psychological side effects associated with steroid use. The use of steroids can lead to a persons whole personality changing. The users testosterone levels are at amazingly high levels-so high that they become a danger to themselves and others. Users of steroids have been known to pick fights for no reason, attack family members, and kill people. With the roid rages, changes in moods, depression, and psychosis users are mentally unstable. They can harm or kill themselves, and people around them. There have been many cases of suicide and homicide related to the use of steroids. These are the side effects that should concern people the most because this no longer just involves the users, but also the people around him.

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NA Evans
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[quote] In addition to the pharmacological side effects of anabolic steroids, complications may also result from the injection technique used in self administration. [/quote]

CJ Cooper, TD Noakes, T Dunne, MI Lambert, and K Rochford
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[quote] OBJECTIVE: (1) To assess the personality profiles of the anabolic androgenic steroid users (AAS) and (2) to determine whether valid premorbid personality traits could be obtained from cross sectional assessment using multisource data. METHODS: The first author became a participant-observer in a group of body builders. An experimental group of body builders who had been using AAS for no more than 18 months (n = 12) was identified. A group of control subjects, each of whom claimed that he did not, and never had, used AAS (n = 12) was also recruited during this period. Key informants played a crucial role in recruiting subjects representative of the AAS and body building communities. An interview schedule based on the Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (DSM3-R) personality disorder criteria was conducted with each subject. Additional data were obtained from an AAS using informant and significant others including family and friends. RESULTS: The user group was significantly heavier than the control group and showed abnormal personality traits, in contrast to the control group. Personality traits of AAS users before the onset of AAS use, assessed retrospectively, were not different from personality traits of control subjects. There were significant differences between the before and after personality traits in AAS user group. CONCLUSIONS: The results suggest (1) that AAS use is associated with significant disturbances in personality profile, and (2) that these personality disturbances are possibly the direct result of AAS use. [/quote]

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[quote] Anabolic steroids remain popular among body builders and power athletes despite numerous warning about their side effects. A case of spontaneous rupture of the anterior cruciate ligament is reported in a bodybuilder taking steroids. There are many published reports of tendon rupture associated with steroid intake. [/quote]

RY Liow and S Tavares
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HM Perry and GW Hughes
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[quote] In the pursuit of gains in muscle size and strength, body-builders may mistakenly use illicit drugs believing them to be anabolic steroids. The case described illustrates the physical and psychological dangers of such behaviour. [/quote]

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[quote] Four male bodybuilders who had started taking anabolic steroids were monitored during exercise. Most metabolic indicators were similar to bodybuilders not taking steroids; i.e. metabolic acidosis with little change in glucose. [/quote]

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[quote] prospective, randomised, double-blind study of 28 patients presenting with Achilles paratendonitis was undertaken in order to evaluate the role of peritendonous injection of methy prednisolone acetate (Depo Medrone). At presentation patients were either administered peri- tendonous injection of 40 mgs of methyl prednisolone acetate suspended in 1 ml of 0.25% marcaine or 2 ml of 0.25% marcaine alone. Response was gauged by resolution of pain, tenderness and return to normal activity. Patients who failed to respond to initial treatment were crossed over to the other group at 12 weeks. All patients received standardised physiotherapy [/quote]

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[quote] Haematological and hepatic effects of testosterone/anabolic steroid self-administration were investigated in five power athletes during 26 weeks of training. During steroid administration blood haematocrit had increased 9.6% (p less than .05) in the study group (n = 5), but not in the control group (n = 6). This erythropoietic phenomenon was supported by increased (p less than .05) RBC and unchanged MCV. Blood haemoglobin concentration did not change markedly and consequently MCHC level in the study group decreased significantly (p less than .001). Also the erythrocyte sedimentation rate decreased (p less than .05) in the study group. The mean values of serum alanine aminotransferase, alkaline phosphatase and gamma-glutamyltransferase were and remained within normal range in both groups, although those of the study group were higher. The mean values of serum aspartate aminotransferase exceeded the normal range (56 U/l, at highest) but this may be of muscular rather than hepatic origin because of the severe training. It can be concluded that erythropoiesis was stimulated and liver function mildly impaired due to sustained high-dose testosterone/anabolic steroid administration. [/quote]

S Solberg
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[quote] Description is given of six body-builders who had been taking Methandrostenolone (up to 20 mg/day in intermittent courses for a year or more). testosterone levels were low relative to laboratory standards and luteinizing hormone levels were also reduced - particularly in relation to testosterone concentrations. Abnormal liver function tests were seen in three of the six subjects, and one had mild diabetes with high serum cholesterol, triglycerides and uric acid. The weight gain of the group was not outstanding, and the only possible finding was a high haemoglobin and haematocrit in one of the six subjects.
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V Wynn
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RA Harkness, BH Kilshaw, and BM Hobson
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GR Hervey
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Alexander Mitchell and Veronica O'Keane
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[quote] The unwanted behavioural effects of anabolic steroids are widely known, but those of glucocorticoid therapy, though recognised for over 45 years, receive less attention. Placebo controlled studies have reported that a third of patients taking glucocorticoids experience significant mood disturbance and sleep disruption.1 More importantly, up to 20% of patients on high dose glucocorticoids report psychiatric disorders including depression, mania, psychosis, or a mixed affective state.2 A recent double blind placebo controlled trial of corticosteroid administration in healthy individuals showed that 75% of subjects developed disturbances in mood and cognition, which reversed when steroids were stopped.3 We do not know the characteristics of those who are vulnerable to adverse effects, but those with higher cumulative dosages appear to be most at risk.

Dysregulation of the hypothalamo-pituitary adrenal axis in depression is one of the oldest and most consistent findings in biological psychiatry. A large scale meta-analysis of over 140 studies using the low dose dexamethasone suppression test illustrated that persistent adrenocortical hyperactivity is a robust indicator of poor prognosis and a weaker predictor of suicide in depression.4 From the physicians' view point, medical disorders which feature sustained overdrive of the hypothalamo-pituitary axis carry an unexpectedly high risk of mood disorders. Patients with Cushing's disease, stroke, or chronic alcoholism, and those taking long term steroid treatment have a reported prevalence of depression above 50%.5 The precipitation of dysregulation of the hypothalamo-pituitary axis by environmental stressors may be important in the onset of both Cushing's disease and depression.6 However, not all increases in adrenocortical activity are associated with pathological consequences, and, as the core mediator of the neuroendocrine stress response, an acute failure of activation of the hypothalamo-pituitary axis is equally hazardous in animal and man. In fact, underactivity of the axis may be associated with a range of psychiatric disorders, the most extensively investigated being post-traumatic stress disorder.7
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Joan Stephenson
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L. Goldberg
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D. H. Catlin and T. H. Murray
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[quote]Among 12- to 34-year-olds, AAS use was significantly and positively associated with the use of other illicit drugs (P < .05), cigarettes (12- to 17-year-olds only; P < .01), and alcohol (P < .01). Furthermore, AAS use is highly correlated with self-reported aggressive behavior (P < .01) and crimes against property (P < .01). CONCLUSIONS--These results indicate that AAS use impacts a large number of men and women from various racial and age groups across the nation. While causal inferences cannot be made regarding the associations between AAS use and use of other drugs as well as antisocial behavior, these findings should enhance our ability to profile the typical AAS user.
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[quote] OBJECTIVE--To evaluate the acute effects of anabolic steroids on mood and behavior in male normal volunteers. DESIGN--A 2-week, double-blind (subject and rater), fixed-order, placebo-controlled crossover trial of methyltestosterone. SETTING--An inpatient research unit at the National Institutes of Health. SUBJECTS--A volunteer sample of 20 men who were medication free, free of medical and psychiatric illness, not involved in athletic training, and had no prior history of anabolic steroid use. INTERVENTION--A sequential trial for 3 days each of the following four drug conditions: placebo baseline, low-dose methyltestosterone (40 mg/d), high-dose methyltestosterone (240 mg/d), and placebo withdrawal. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES--Mood and behavioral ratings were completed during each drug condition and included both subjective and objective measures. RESULTS--Significant (P < .05) albeit subtle increases in symptom scores were observed during high-dose methyltestosterone administration compared with baseline in positive mood (euphoria, energy, and sexual arousal), negative mood (irritability, mood swings, violent feelings, and hostility), and cognitive impairment (distractibility, forgetfulness, and confusion). An acute manic episode was observed in one of the 20 subjects, representing a 5% incidence, even under these conservative conditions. An additional subject became hypomanic. Baseline characteristics including family psychiatric history or previous drug abuse did not predict symptom changes. CONCLUSION--This is the first placebo-controlled prospective study demonstrating the adverse and activating mood and behavioral effects of anabolic steroids.
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The studies speak for themselves. The science is irrifutable - steroids are dangerous and a clear side effect is acne.

You logic is take a drug to counteract another drug? That's like saying I smoke pot to get rid of a hangover. Come on.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 12:14 AM

This isn't the right board to engage in this shit, but I can't leave this thread alone without reiterating that steroids are very dangerous. Acne is the least of your troubles when you start messing with steroids.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 12:21 AM

I understand you read all that and believe it all. But til you have done it and know what you're talking about, please shutup. And no im not blinded by some drug, I get plenty of bloodwork done frequently. But you are right on many accounts, they have side effects and I do not condone them. But to sit there and bad mouth something you have no clue about other than what you read...cmon. But I respect that you do more research than most people would before saying something.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 12:42 AM

Insulin is a much better steriod than anything else. If you can maximize the insulin intake to the muscles you'll grow like crazy. Unfortunately many don't bulk properly and become slightly resistant thus lessening their gains. I didn't know this at the time and I though he was taking other steroids but an aquaintance got really big really fast and his bulking regemin was very complicated but he grew like a weed, going from about 150 to 190 in the four months I saw him and I don't care what you say 40lbs of mostly lean muscle(Of course there is fat to gain as well) in a quarter is damn impressive. Turns out he was maximizing insulin uptake to his muscle cells by leading a certain diet/lifestyle.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 11:56 AM

Insulin is far more dangerous than steroids though. Real easy to mess up and go hypo.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 12:34 PM

What are you talking about injecting it? I'm talking about maximizing your natural response to accepting it. I'm not talking about taking insulin in drug form, I'm talking about way to live and eat so that the receptor cells in the muscle tissue accept as much insulin/glucose as you can provide. I've seen amazing gains this way.

Injecting it or taking in excessive amounts(Beyond what any glucose reaction gives) is well beyond the realm of normal steriod use in terms of complications, I agree. I wouldn't even trust doctors to do it for me unless I was diabetic. Just so others don't get the wrong impression, I'm advocating a natural way to do this, not a supplimentary way.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 05:51 PM

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I understand you read all that and believe it all. But til you have done it and know what you're talking about, please shutup. And no im not blinded by some drug, I get plenty of bloodwork done frequently. But you are right on many accounts, they have side effects and I do not condone them. But to sit there and bad mouth something you have no clue about other than what you read...cmon. But I respect that you do more research than most people would before saying something.


Give me a break. "Shut up" on a message board? Lol. Yes sir. eusa_dance.gif

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But to sit there and bad mouth something you have no clue about other than what you read...cmon.


You do not know anything about me so do not tell me what I don't know. First of all I'm a competing bodybuilder. I know a few things about the sport. Secondly, I've had two friends die from steroids, do not presume to tell me I "have no clue", that simply ignorant on your part. Moreover I have serveral friends who are long time steroid users. I have seen the changes in their personalities. Some of them I've known since college. The drug has changed their personality. Make no mistake about it steroids are a mind altering, mentally addicting drug. No gobblygokk talk about blood tests and balancing the drug with another drug is going to change that reality.

Then "I do not condone them" If you are doing steroids, you are condoning them by default. That is like me telling my kids "Do not smoke!" with a cigar hanging out of my mouth.

And "because you haven't done it proves you do not know about it". I've never jumped off a 100 foot building either, that doesn't prove I do not know what will happen. I provided you with legitimate scientific proof of the dangers of steroids and you provided nothing to rubuttal but personal insults. That's a logical fallacy known as an adhominem.

So far I've seen no advice on acne from you, just argueing about illegal drugs. If you want to continue argueing about it go ahead, I now know your posts are not worth reading. Just listen to yourself. eusa_liar.gif

The reason the supplement B5 works well for acne is because of this principle.
This theory explains why acne starts around puberty. At puberty, most coenzyme-A gets used to make the sex hormones. Since formation of the sex hormones and reproductive organs of the body is the more important reaction, fat metabolism gets put on hold, oil production increases which causes acne to develop. But if you supplement with enough pantothenic acid, you will create enough coenzyme-A in the body and both sex hormone synthesis and fatty acid metabolism will be taken care of.

[QUOTE]I'm talking about maximizing your natural response to accepting it. I'm not talking about taking insulin in drug form, I'm talking about way to live and eat so that the receptor cells in the muscle tissue accept as much insulin/glucose as you can provide. I've seen amazing gains this way. [QUOTE]

I agree. Yes the best way to do this naturally is to become more insulin resistant, and to utilize high GH carbs post workout.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 06:47 PM

You mean less insulin resistant, increasing insulin sensitivity. You want the muscles to accept the insulin/glucose, you don't want to become diabetic.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 07:00 PM

This is pointless, our views are obviously different...right or wrong. I respect your knowledge and your good intentions, I realize it was pretty stupid to post about stuff like this on a board like this but alot of things are often misunderstood to the common public, my apologies to anyone and I will leave it at that...



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Posted 15 March 2005 - 09:15 PM

That's cool Shawn. We'll just drop it.

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Yes the best way to do this naturally is to become more insulin resistant, and to utilize high GH carbs post workout.


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You mean less insulin resistant, increasing insulin sensitivity. You want the muscles to accept the insulin/glucose, you don't want to become diabetic.


Thanks for the catch! I meant sensitive not resistant. shock.gif If muscle cells are more sensitive to the effects of insulin your body does not need to release as much after a meal, in order to carry nutrients to your cells. The more insulin resistant your muscle cells are, the more insulin your body will release from its pancreas to promote storage of nutrients in them.




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Posted 16 March 2005 - 03:49 AM

Wow, it's been a few days since I've come here, but I've only wanted to know about testosterone effects on acne, and perhaps how weightlifting (pure and simple) was related to testosterone...

...and I ended up getting pages from a Muscular Development Magazine!! eusa_clap.gif

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Posted 21 March 2005 - 10:20 PM

bodybuilding pussies razz.gif am i the only one that powerlifts anymore?

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 07:49 PM

THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS WOW
im 16 and i just started going to the gym
i had acne on my face but NEVER on my back
MAYBE IT IS THE SWEAT CLOGGING UPMY PORES ON MY BACK!!!
i never thought of it
thank you!!!

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 08:46 PM

umm...if sweat breaks you out, shower right after. if not, youre good. im pretty sure working out wont cause breakouts by the increased testosterone or androgen or whatever you may produce. its just not very much, and if you do it naturally, like you said, your levels of testosterone never get that high. but wear a testosterone patch or pop some steroids to grow into some effing freak, then you can probably expect to enjoy tons of bacne and acne that will go lovely with your freakishly huge body. and they usually scar, ive heard. ahhh...i guess i dont know the science behind it, but im pretty sure weight lifting doesnt equal breakouts.

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ps...if bodybuilding DID increase testosterone and androgens, wouldn't other syptoms appear, ie. 'roid rage', agression, having to wear a bra if youre a man, etc? maybe im totally off...

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 09:52 AM

I would really like to bring this topic up again instead of makin a new one.

I am bodybuilding too, and I'm beginning to think that this is the cause of my upper body acne. However it's hard to give it up..

Guys with body acne, are you bodybuilding and do you think it's affecting your acne?



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