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#1 Dustino

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Posted 21 February 2005 - 11:05 PM

Ok so I'm sick of all these red marks lingering around on my face, even tho I havent really had much acne for months now, so I want to do something to cover them up. Problem is, I have no clue about anything about makeup (yea, im a guy tongue.gif ). Sooooo, a few questions if someone will be so kind as to answer them smile.gif

1) I'm assuming I need a concealer and have been looking at some, I'll probably go with MAC, but is the concealer ALL I need, or is there some other product I must use in conjunction with it to have a better effect? (foundation, powder ,etc?)

2) What is the best way to find the shade that works for you?! I cant exactly go to a store and try it because it is only available online, so do I just wing it and hope I got the right one, then send it back if im wrong?

3) Do I apply the conealer over my entire face or do I just put it on the affected area's?

I *think* thats all the questions I had....if I think of any more I'll let you guys know tongue.gif Once again thanks smile.gif

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Posted 21 February 2005 - 11:41 PM

QUOTE(Dustino @ Feb 22 2005, 12:05 AM)
1) I'm assuming I need a concealer and have been looking at some, I'll probably go with MAC, but is the concealer ALL I need, or is there some other product I must use in conjunction with it to have a better effect? (foundation, powder ,etc?)

You should use a loose setting powder on your face after applying the concealer. It will set the concealer, make it look more natural, and take any unwanted shine away from your face. Almay Luxury Finish Lose Powder is a great powder, you can get it at Walmart for 9 bucks.

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2) What is the best way to find the shade that works for you?! I cant exactly go to a store and try it because it is only available online, so do I just wing it and hope I got the right one, then send it back if im wrong?

Well the best way is definatly to just go to the store and have them match it up to you.. otherwise you'll just have to guess. Or you could just get some mineral foundation from Cory Cosmetics to spot cover with.. they have 30 cent samples so you can buy a bunch, and even mix shades together if neccessary.

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3) Do I apply the conealer over my entire face or do I just put it on the affected area's?

Just on the spots that need to be covered.



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Posted 21 February 2005 - 11:48 PM

If it's only available online, then you'll have to guess. You could wear foundation over or under the concealer but it might be noticeable. If I were a guy, i'd much rather use a powder instead. It'll set it and you won't have to worry about applying the foundation perfectly or having it slide around your face after a few hours. It's a huge hassle and unless you really need it, i'd skip it. If you're only going to wear the concealer, it has to be a really good match. They have MAC counters in major department stores. The ladies behind the counter won't bother you if you just tell them you're looking for something for your girlfriend, mom, sister, etc.

Concealer is meant just for spot treatments and is too thick to be worn over the entire face. It'd look kinda odd if you did that.

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Posted 22 February 2005 - 12:30 AM

QUOTE(girl3900 @ Feb 22 2005, 12:48 AM)
The ladies behind the counter won't bother you if you just tell them you're looking for something for your girlfriend, mom, sister, etc.

They won't bother if you just say it's for you. If you say it's for someone else it's just gonna make you look insecure.. because obviously no woman is going to send their boyfriend/son/brother makeup shopping for them. Just be confident, they get many male customers all the time.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 12:14 AM

Well now, if you're a total newbie, and have never paid attention to how the women in your life (mother, sisters, friends, etc.) put on their makeup, then you might just need a few pointers on the basic steps. Here's my routine:

1. apply moisturizer first. (Which you're probably already doing, right?)
2. apply the coverup (concealer) to the trouble spots. (I use Prescriptives, but that's probably not the best stuff around. I only have it because it's convenient when I buy my Prescriptives foundation.)
3. apply the foundation. There are various techniques for applying foundation. You could use a sponge applicator, or just your fingers. Some liquid foundations can be diluted with a little water so they spread around a little better. The mineral foundations are simply brushed on -- but you need a good set of brushes for that, and they have to be cleaned regularly.
4. finish with powder.

This is probably a little more than you would want to apply to your face. In your case, I would consider skipping either the foundation or the powder. You wouldn't want to look like you're obviously wearing makeup -- I don't think. In fact, you might consider one of those mineral powder makeups. I think they might look the most natural on you, and be the easiest to apply. Plus, you can get a variety of tones and brush them on so your skin doesn't end up looking unnaturally all one color all over. (You really should seek advice about how to apply multiple shades, or at least, seek out some video demonstrations.) Here's a thread that talks about this type of makeup: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/index.php?showtopic=42247 I've been pretty impressed by how natural looking they seem, and I've just ordered some sample sets from Pure Luxe Cosmetics (another brand) to try.

Watch one of those shopping networks once, when someone is selling makeup, and you'll see the application routine illustrated.

As for the mixed advice everyone seems to be offering, well everyone has different skin types and tones and lifestyles. We've all had to use some trial and error trying to discover what works best for us. AND what works for you in your twenties won't in your forties, so all of us are constantly having to adjust what we use. I've found that those ladies at the makeup counters at better department stores often give the best suggestions -- but some can be "hoity-toity". (If someone gives you any "attitude", just walk away. There's plenty of other makeup counters.) I've also gone to my hair salon and they've worked with me to find products that work the best. (To do this you would make an appointment for a "makeover".)

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 08:56 AM

Well, i'm a girl and i'm fairly new to make up too. I mean i've been using just concealer forever, but i've never gone all out with the foundation and powder and stuff. I never really knew what foundation was until recently. Anyways, you said to apply foundation after the concealer, but taht doesn't make sense to me. WOuldn't that just rub off the concealer? And plus, if you use moisterizer plus concealer plus foundation plus powder, wouldn't that clog up your pores? seems like an awful lot to put on your face.

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 02:16 PM

Thanks for the great answers so far guys, I think im just gonna go with a concealer + powder for now, if that doesnt work try the foundation or something else. Just one more question, what do I use to remove the concealer at the end of the day? just water + cleanser or do I need some kind of makeup remover? thanks biggrin.gif

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 03:16 PM

Just a cleanser should take it off.

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 07:54 PM

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I mean i've been using just concealer forever, but i've never gone all out with the foundation and powder and stuff. I never really knew what foundation was until recently. Anyways, you said to apply foundation after the concealer, but taht doesn't make sense to me. WOuldn't that just rub off the concealer? And plus, if you use moisterizer plus concealer plus foundation plus powder, wouldn't that clog up your pores? seems like an awful lot to put on your face.


Well, the concealer is usually a relatively thick substance (thicker than foundation or powder), meant to cover a blemish. As such, it doesn't need to match your skin tone all that well. (You'll note that often concealers are sold in a very limited amount of shades.) Usually you would put it on over just the blemishes, and feather it out to near the edges of the spot where you've applied it. Foundation is usually too thin and sheer to do a good job of covering a blemish, but concealer is usually too thick to work as a "whole face" cover up. However, there are no hard and fast rules, either. Whatever works for you is what you should do.

I have permanent dark circles under my eyes, so I'm always using concealer there. I do try to make sure that my concealer doesn't look obvious (I don't want "racoon eyes") so I always make sure there's also a layer of foundation over the concealer. Some people use a light green concealer to tone down bright red spots (making them brown, and easier to blend in beneath your foundation.) I actually use a light yellow concealer under my eyes, which allows the purplish-brown circles to lighten up without getting whitened up.

Sometimes, if I'm not happy with a particularly stubborn spot, I'll also put concealer on over the foundation, and then pat on a little more foundation just at that spot.

The foundation is usually then applied over your whole face. You can control how much foundation to put on by:
-- Whether you buy a sheer foundation or a thicker one.
-- Your application technique.
Most foundations are liquid, but just today I saw that Lancome was offering a powder foundation that could be patted on dry (like a powder) or patted on damp (more like a cream foundation).
Lancome link
Maybelline offers a foundation that is a stick: Maybelline link

You don't have to do more than this to cover your face. Some people like to put a layer of powder on to "set" the makeup and reduce any shine. Or some people use powder as a quick way to refresh their makeup during the day. I, myself, rarely use it. I do brush on some blush to give my face a little color. I don't like to look like I'm overly madeup -- it wouldn't be appropriate for my job -- and I don't like to have a thick layer of anything on my face. I generally stick to foundation that is relatively sheer, and I'm very picky about making sure the shade matches my skin tone. (I believe that if it's too far off, then the makeup looks very obviously painted on. That's perfectly fine up on the stage, or under the hot lights of a camera, or even for very artistic people who want to create a noticeable effect, but it's not suited for the humdrum life I lead.)

As you can see from the links I've posted, there are a BIG variety of foundations. You really do have to experiment to see which ones offer the best solution for you. Factors to consider (beyond just your pocket book) are your lifestyle (do you have the time to carefully apply makeup, or are you more active and on-the-go and don't have the time for makeup), which brand has the shade to best match your skin (I have slightly yellowish skin, so I have to skip most brands since they only offer pinks), whether or not a given brand will irritate your skin, and what type gives you the most coverage. The right makeup will actually protect your skin from dirt and from sun. Just remember that at the end of the day you should clean it off.

You can clean makeup off with your usual cleanser. (Eye makeup is harder to remove, and I do use a special eye makeup remover for that.) I've never used water-proof makeup, so I don't know how that is to clean off.

Again, if you're new to makeup, I highly recommend a visit to a makeup counter at a better department store -- if there's one near you, that is. That's how I learned to put makeup on, and what did or didn't work for me. Even if in the end you don't buy anything, you'll have learned a lot. (The latest trick I learned from a very nice lady at a Bon Marche in Oregon was to put foundation on over my lips, too. That way my lipstick's true color is more apparent. I never knew that.)

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 12:38 PM

thanks so much grapeshot. Your reply really helps! I'm gonna copy and save it for future reference, hehe.




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