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[cbfog]

hhahahahaha
I would've expected no less

I'm only taunting you and making jabs because you seem to think that you know everything about acne and how to treat it.
You're like the self-appointed dermatologist for seemingly everyone and apparently I'm the only one curmudgeonly enough to tell you to put a sock in it and stop acting like you know everything.
Hate to make you eat your own words, but don't assume that everyone's skin is the same as yours, therefore telling everyone that washing with water is the only solution and medications are useless is as pointless as me pointing out that diet actually has nothing to do with whether or not you get acne.
People will do what they will and must and none of your endless proselytizing is going to change that. In fact I think you might never have even had more than a mild case of acne all along.
Anyways, it might take a while to see as some people (like me) don't really start breaking out until they're 18-20 years old. So we will wait a few years and see how you feel about your all-water regimen then.

[jan carlo]

Well, you did a good job taunting me. Congratulations.

However, I am not assuming that everyone's skin is the same as mine, therefore, I said somewhere around in this topic that this is not for everyone, especially with those with severe acne. Have you even read my whole post?

This is actually not even a regimen, but a statement regarding the use of medications and etc. You can call it a regimen if you want to, but I just added steps as a support for people who's gonna ask, "Then what should we do then?"

I had mild and moderate acne since 10 years old. First it started from mild, then became moderate because of my picking, rubbing, and over-washing, thinking that if I make my face squeky clean, acne with disappear. How stupid that I thought of that really. As a result, it came from mild, to then moderate.

Now, until now, I have been using medications, and etc from ProActiv, Murad, and BP, and have struggled hoping that they would finally "CURE" my acne. However, just like everyone else using medications, these products, minimized their acne, but at the same time, damaged and still damaging their skin.

Ever wonder really why even if we use BP, acne still comes back, while BP has been known as the best prevention product for acne, besides accutane? Ever wonder why ProActiv, and even Murad, after many or just a few months of using it, acne would still come back, and even in a large scale?

It is because of the damaging effects of medications.

For example, BP causes free-radicals, and just like Hydrogen Peroxide or anything with Peroxide in it, will destroy one's skin.

I know this and that because my Dad's a doctor and that I have a great of knowledge on Biology from my AP Biology.

Also, I am not stating this just from my own words, but from my experience and other's.

How about you read in the first page how others have found out about this too.

Also, there's a thread somewhere around here stating that he has also figured out that medication causes damaging effects so he's stopping them.

I don't know everything, and no one does.

I am merely giving advice, tips, and suggestions.

Also, this isn't just about "all-water regimen." That is why there's a transition product.

Ever wonder though that those who have clear skin don't even wash their face?

How about bums without acne at all? They don't wash their face.

Many of us actually, don't even need to suffer from acne, including me and many others because our hormones have balanced themselves out. However, why is it that some people still get acne in their 20s and 30s? Well, of course, there's a lot of factors involved, but one major thing is that they have been continuing medications, which unfortunately destroyed their skin.

For people who start breaking out until they're 18-20 years old, now that's a different subject, and I don't know the cause of that. Maybe it's because their hormones just start going crazier. Of course, pregnancy is also one of the major cause. However, there are a lot more. I can't state anything about that because I don't "know everything about acne and how to treat it."

Well, there's really no point posting anymore of your messages because I get it already: you're against my idea. For what reason however? Just cause you don't believe it's going to work. Have you tried it? No.

I saw your pictures, and your acne isn't bad. It's far from bad. I advice you to not use any medication on your skin or else you'll suffer what others including me have suffered. There you go, a piece of advice. Accept it or ignore it. I don't need another reply.

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[cbfog]

You're right. My acne doesn't look bad. Why? Because it is medicated every night. Two years ago it was horrible. Cysts, nodules, and papules all over the place. Now I consider it unlucky to get a zit pretty much at all. I haven't had a cyst in months. I guarantee you that if I stopped using my acne medication I would have a face-destroying breakout. It's that simple. So. Run the risk of "destroying my skin", or wait years for my acne to clear up.
I really am not trying to be mean, but you took it there so I responded in kind. I'm just trying to point out that you are over-simplifying things and that while simply washing with water may work for you, for the majority of acne sufferers, that would be a sentence to bad skin forever. Don't disparage medications, they are all that some people have to save them from being broken out all the time.
Acne is just like any other disease. If left untreated, sure, it might go away and stay away for good. On the other hand it might not, and could just get steadily worse until it becomes a real disability which will take years to heal. I'll tell you one thing, as soon as my as-yet hypothetical children start to break out, I'm going to take them to a dermatologist and get some treatment for it. I don't want them to have to suffer through the same thing that I did.

[fireflame]

I need to clear this up. Cetaphil SUCKS. I have justification for this. I actually switched to pure water from just using Cetaphil/BP spot treatment and my skin feels better, is not as irritated, and is improving nicely.

Specifically though, Cetaphil sucks for people with sensitive skin. I actually e-mailed Mederma directly about SLS (Sodium Lauryl/Laureth Sulfate) ingredient in their projects, and basically all they said was (in one sentence, literally), "it's not in big enough concentrations to be harmful." That's major BS!! Their gentle cleanser actually has SLS as the 3rd ingredient which is still high in relative concentrations, assuming water and the 2nd product dont account for 90% of it.

anyway...This water regimine does work. I worked from C&C BP Cleanser/SA Scrub to just SA exfoliator to Cetaphil Facial cleanser to Cetaphil Gentle cleanser and to slight applications of BP and finally to just water. I can say that it was about a 3-4 month transition, but I think I have found the light.

It's funny, because water still makes my skin flakey. Weird right? well not actaully, it just seems like a sign to me that I have VERY sensitive skin.

I just wanted to chime in about this since the original poster has very good advice. I actually switched to water upon reading user Alya's post about harmful comedogenic products:

http://www.zerozits.com/Articles/article6.htm

BY THE WAY, it's funny because I posted a long time ago about my parents and relatives not having acne AT ALL. People replied with statements such as, "it sucks doesn't it?" or "it looks like you got the acne genes." ha...made me feel so bad at the time, but if there's one thing that correlates with my family's clear skin, it's using super mild products or just water alone.

[jan carlo]

Well, thanks a lot fireflame. You and other posts on this topic should clear up doubts from cbfog. I'm sure he'll have his acne cured in just years from using medication.

Also, about Cetaphil, well, that's a good point. It should just be a transition product then, just like vinegar.

So, overall, it's
[medications] --> [transition product (vinegar, Cetaphil)] --> [water]

Your skin becomes flaky because... you have damaged your skin already from using medications. Mine is also damaged, mostly from BP so my skin produce little moisture, therefore, I apply Chinese Creams and etc. They're very good and slowly reviving my skin overall.

Use a moisturizer immediately after you wash your face with water.

[skateVA93.9]

i havent used any thing for a week and i have not seen anything new on my face. nothing active right now, awesome. i had mild acne.

[jan carlo]

Good Job. I'm glad to see this work on others too. Makes me happy.

[annoyed_at_acne]

Isn't that kind of dirty though, to only use water to wash your face? What if you have zits on your body, would you just not use any type of soap/body wash either?

[fireflame]

I think the idea to this method of "acne treatment" applies to people with sensitive skin. I wrote my above post very quickly since I was so anxious to just say something, but now I can elaborate.

Think about our parents' generation, at least for me, everyone have very very clear skin. When I go to family gatherings I feel (and probably am) that I'm the only one facing acne problems. You have to think...why?

well probably in the first place, they never used the harsh medicated cleansers used today, and secondly, they didn't use the cleansers available today! yes, I repeated that twice....I strongly believe that it's worth the wait for your skin to improve naturally (for light to moderate cases that is).

It's funny, because I don't really listen to the Murad "Acne Complex" infomercials, but I think the doctor was right when he said most people (80+%) don't have real acne. But then they feed you with bs of a lot of other things to sell their product. It's the modern ingredients today that affect the skin negatively. Think about people in asian such as Japan or Korea, they tend to use higher quality products and if possible, natural. Their overall skin tone as a race is super clear.

anyway...just my 2 cents again. For me personally, I think my last real BIG pimple has just gone away. I hope none re-appear or I'll have to retract my statements I made....j/k

[jan carlo]

Isn't that kind of dirty though, to only use water to wash your face?  What if you have zits on your body, would you just not use any type of soap/body wash either?

No it's not because your face is always open unlike your armpits, feet, etc who are always closed from free air, therefore developing odor and bacteria from your own sweat and germs. Water is enough to wash out the dust and etc.

[bumbum21]

although i am jealous that your water regimen has worked for you....I would say congratulations that it has. I am 25 and obviously have not outgrown acne. When I was your age I did the same thing and it was a lot easier to get the acne out. However, I guess with all the stresses and things that naturally happens in people's life, things do happen, like acne. You are still young so one advice for you-->juss cuz it works now doesn't always mean it will always work. Juss take care of your scars alright. I also believe that diet affects acne somehow.

[bumbum21]

I guess bottom line is...acne really sux. I would not wish this on my worst enemy...

[jan carlo]

Well, being pessimistic even though it hasn't happened yet isn't really the best way to run your life from. It's like saying, "I'm gonna die soon anyways, so why bother going to High School and College and spend precious time and money for a future wife/husband."

Have fun. Don't let acne change your life and personality. I know it has changed mine unfortunately... although I'm working on it!

[jan carlo]

Alright. I am convinced: DIET SIGNIFICANTLY, and is most likely the HUGE and MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR, along with USING MEDICATIONS into growing ACNE. Here's why, I'll restate what happened.

Well, I was clear for months, around 2 to 3 because of my regimen until I ate pizza three days in a row. I couldn't resist them because they were free. Now, the next two days was hell for me. My 98% acne clear face (but redmarked), now started growing 5+ more acne!

It has been a week already since I ate those pizzas and after those two days, no more acne grew. Now, all I have to do is work on the redmarks again. I am sure that unless I eat pizza again or something equivalent to it, I will be clear. I hope I can resist the temptation.

So... guess what, I haven't grew out of ACNE. And just many of you, I should still be suffering from constant acne, but why not anymore (except for the pizza incident)? Because, I stopped those BS medications. I'm sure they minimized acne, but they are for sure making your face become more acne prone. Read my first post again on this topic.

There you go! I have tried almost everything and experiments with many controls and variables using my own self, and there it is, a fairly complete guide into how to prevent acne 90%. The rest of the percentage is now about how you control your DIET, and etc...

Good luck everyone!

[bumbum21]

Well, being pessimistic even though it hasn't happened yet isn't really the best way to run your life from. It's like saying, "I'm gonna die soon anyways, so why bother going to High School and College and spend precious time and money for a future wife/husband."

Have fun. Don't let acne change your life and personality. I know it has changed mine unfortunately... although I'm working on it!

it's not that I am being pessimistic about it, it is actually more of being realistic of what can or cannot happen so that I will be better prepared. I have struggled with acne emotionally and I have been there done that...and after all these years it is still here with me. But you are right tho...acne shouldn't change your life and personality!!! It has changed mine too...and now instead of focussing on how to get rid of my acne..I should focus on getting rid of my negative feelings toward how I look because in the end that is the only thing that matters right?! I mean how can we shine on the outside when we feel like crap on the inside. We can still shine wid acne right ( not talkin bout the oily face tho ). From now on I am really gna try to not let acne rule my life!!

[jan carlo]

YEAH! You go bumbum21!

[ballaballa]

i think using water is good but only in the mornings. I think its good to at least wash once a day with cleanser/soap preferably at night. Then in the morning, just splash some water.

[Poi]

i think this guys talking out of his ass. everything he's supposidly backed up by his AP Biology knowledge (wonder what you got on that AP carlo, i got a 5) he hasn't truly backed up with quotes or any professional information whatsoever, besides what his daddy told him.

look at the prescription acne medications. theres a little pamphlet in the box talking about different test subjects they've used the acne medications as well as a vehicle on, and theres a drastic difference between the two.

this "water regimen" doesnt work....BS

Carlo, look at your fucking sig btw it looks like a commercial.

[MattN]

It would certainly be nice if this was the case for me. Unfortunately I have mild back/shoulders/chest acne, and I don't use anything on them at all except water. That and I've gone off all medications for a few weeks many a time and my acne never stopped.

[jan carlo]

i think this guys talking out of his ass. everything he's supposidly backed up by his AP Biology knowledge (wonder what you got on that AP carlo, i got a 5) he hasn't truly backed up with quotes or any professional information whatsoever, besides what his daddy told him.

look at the prescription acne medications. theres a little pamphlet in the box talking about different test subjects they've used the acne medications as well as a vehicle on, and theres a drastic difference between the two.

this "water regimen" doesnt work....BS

Carlo, look at your fucking sig btw it looks like a commercial.

Well, whatever. If it worked for me, and for everyone else but you, then sucks for you . If you don't believe it, then whatever. All I care is that it helped me, and is currently helping and helped a lot of other people right now. Well, of course, in this world, out of all the white sheeps, there is always a black sheep, and that black sheep is you because look at the rest of the posts: they have explained how this has worked on many of them. Some people actually figured this out on their own without this post, and they're better now.

This isn't really scientific, and I doubt science will ever believe this, but if it works, safe, and effective, then who cares if science can ever prove something like this. BTW, I purposely made my sig like a commercial just for fun. Why, is it offending you, little puppy?

BTW, this isn't merely a water regimen, but rather, my whole purpose of stating this for everyone is for them to know the effects of medication.

**PERSONAL INSULT REMOVED BY MOD TEAM** why is it that many people, including my old me, have been using medications for many many months, and acne? Still there! Then what the hell is the purpose of medications, minimize acne? Ya, but will it eliminate it? Hell no, but rather, makes your skin even more prone to it (That's why there's random breakouts and clear days. Products such as BP destroy bacteria, but at the same time ruining the skin. Would you rather have minimal acne but damaged skin, which in the future would make you breakout even if you're not supposed to breakout anymore? Think about you as a 60yr old man still breaking out because you have been using medications on your early ages). **PERSONAL INSULT REMOVED BY MOD TEAM** ask people around; read what people have as testimonies. Also, read testimonies from ProActiv and Murad users from their sites. Those testimonies are written after just a month or two of using those products. How about if you ask them after a year of using them, or even just examine their faces if they have eliminated acne forever.

Dude, I'm sorry if this post has been offending you. I may be talking to a person with severe acne. If that's your case, then I am sorry because this regimen won't totally work for you. But other than that, go away.

**PERSONAL INSULT REMOVED BY MOD TEAM**

What my "daddy" told me? I'm sure happy he did, because if not, then hell, I'd be sprinkled with scars from BP (I got two light box-scars and all those, from BP). I sure feel sorry for everyone who's been using BP and etc without them knowing that they're slowing getting scarred because redmarks and dark marks masks the scars, but once those marks are gone, you'll see dents and holes and etc.