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[Denise2]

Mm, 150 pounds isn't that bad, but do ppl usually need 2 or 3 goes, or might 1 be enough?

Some people see good results from one session, although I believe most people have 2-3 sessions. This still works out cheaper than £500, which is not too bad, considering that Isolagen costs over £3000, and CO2 laser can cost upwards of £4000.

Yep, that's true. That's why I've always recommended it....it works on every scar type.....is usually much cheaper than other procedures, not a lot of down time, and uneffected areas aren't touched.

Why people start with extremely invasive procedures is beyond me, but oh well....to each his own.

[o_Adam_o]

rossi anymore updates pal, yea i know this is only first treatment so wont be much but still

[tj101]

Needling did improve my scars, but it also made a few others worse, so I'm happy and sad at the same time. I notice my improvement was better when combining needling and using A-Peel, of course not right at the same time...you use the A-Peel a few days after needling and then once a week or twice a month and do the needling 3 months apart.

[Rossignol]

I'm still not going to judge improvements yet - it's only been about 3 weeks so there could be some swelling, and collagen may not have had time to fully build.

Having said that, though, I'm pleased with how the session has turned out so far. There has definitely been some improvement - looking at photos from a few months before and one from last week, the indents do seem to have improved somewhat. The ice picks are certainly still there, but they do appear shallower.

But as I said, it's too early to gauge results yet. If it stays like this/ gets better I'll be very happy.

[o_Adam_o]

give it time bro, gumby told me it usaly goes abit worse after the first time

[Denise2]

give it time bro, gumby told me it usaly goes abit worse after the first time

That may be true but not in every case. I saw a LOT of improvement almost right away with my first 2 needling sessions, and the results did NOT seem to diminish. I just don't like people giving up after a few weeks. One of the people who really convinced me to try needling was a chick in North Carolina. I cannot even remember her name but I talked to her via e-mail and met her at VoyForum. She said that she didn't think her needling session did ANYTHING until literally 8 weeks had passed. She had some pretty deep scars but one was almost completely gone after just one needling. Everyone is different, though.

[Rossignol]

gumby told me it usaly goes abit worse after the first time

Gumby only did self-needling, didn't he? The healing from a professional needling might be likely to be different, seeing as there would have been little chance of being overly aggressive/too deep/slightly inacurate.

[Denise2]

gumby told me it usaly goes abit worse after the first time

Gumby only did self-needling, didn't he? The healing from a professional needling might be likely to be different, seeing as there would have been little chance of being overly aggressive/too deep/slightly inacurate.

True.

[o_Adam_o]

gumby told me it usaly goes abit worse after the first time

Gumby only did self-needling, didn't he? The healing from a professional needling might be likely to be different, seeing as there would have been little chance of being overly aggressive/too deep/slightly inacurate.

True.

yea true i suppose, just see how it goes bro, hope it works out for you though

[Rossignol]

I'm just trying to upload some pics... not sure if these will work...

Hmm. They seem to have worked. They probably won't within a couple of hours, but I'll describe them anyway.

These are photos taken on the day of my needling. Unfortunately I haven't been able to keep up with the photographic progress while I'm at uni so I can't post any "one week on", "two weeks on" etc pics. I'll hopefully post some before and afters of my scarring once 3 months have passed after the needling, in order to assess whether there's been any improvement. It's been almost one month since the needling, and there does seem to have been a very good improvement, although it's still to early to tell, as residual swelling may be affecting the areas. I'll make a full update in a couple of months' time.

This is the left side about 3 hours following the needling. The water droplets you may be able to see is some amino-plex spray I had stupidly sprayed on before having the photo taken!


This is the left side from a different angle. This is about 6-7 hours after the needling, I think. The lighting is slightly different, but you still get an idea of the immediate look of the procedure.


This is the right side about 6 hours following the needling. There is less scarring on my right side, so not as much of it was needled. The brown-ish scar in the centre of the picture was needled seven days before this picture was taken as a test-patch, which gives you some idea of how quick the healing process is.



This is a close-up of the left side again. The red patches are mostly individual ice-pick scars, so you can see how accurate Julie was with the needling. You can see an ice pick scar higher up the cheek that was left un-needled as a comparison.


I hope these pictures give you some idea of my experiences with the procedure, and help you to get an idea of what you will look like after the procedure. The redness does fade extremely quickly, though. I was able to go out without feeling too self-conscious within about 3 days.

Best Wishes,

Rossignol.

[floss]

I guess you can't really put make-up on while your skin is at that stage?
The thing is, it would be a lot better looks-wise to only get a couple done at a time, but i suppose Julie would still charge the same for only a couple, so it would be less value-for-money?

[Rossignol]

Apparently you can apply makeup once the wounds have scabbed over, which takes from a few hours to 2 days max.
You would have to speak to Julie to find out whether she would charge less for fewer areas. She only charged £25 for the patch test, which covered about 3 icepick scars. You can find the number for the clinic at www.bio2clinic.com She would also be able to advise you about makeup.

Hope this is helpful.

[tj101]

...what did she use to do your needling? It kind of looks as wounds from a single needle, but I guess those are icepicks your treating so it looks somewhat different.

I did self-needling on all my scars using a permanent make-up hand tool. Very easy to do, I used several configurations of needles depending on the size of the scars, I guess I have mostly rolling type.

The needles I used were very fine so the holes healed almost instantly. My face was bloody and somewhat swollen after I finished. My face looked more like the pictures Frank at Transitions has on their website.
I posted the pics a while ago, but since no one showed any interest I took them down. I might put them up again if I can find them.

[Denise2]

tj...what kind of improvement did you get, and how many treatments did you do?

Rossie, you are very handsome!

Don't take that wrong as I'm a very happily married woman! BTW.....are your scars still improving? What's your latest update?

[Rossignol]

...what did she use to do your needling? It kind of looks as wounds from a single needle, but I guess those are icepicks your treating so it looks somewhat different.

I did self-needling on all my scars using a permanent make-up hand tool. Very easy to do, I used several configurations of needles depending on the size of the scars, I guess I have mostly rolling type.

Hi TJ.
Julie used a needling machine using twin needles spaced a couple of mm apart, and only needled the individual icepicks. She said that with rolling scars, she would tend to needle in a circular motion around the whole area, although she admitted that she didn't tend to perform needling very often on rolling scars, and said that she didn't think the results would be as good. She recommended I wait to have subcision for my rolling scars.

How were your improvements following the needling, TJ?

Rossie, you are very handsome!

thanks Denise that's very kind of you to say so, especially when my face is covered with by big red wounds!

are your scars still improving? What's your latest update?

They definitely seem to be improving, Denise. I would say there has been between 30 and 50% improvement in the ice pick scars, although in some lights it looks even better! I am very happy with the results so far, as I wasn't expecting dramatic changes.
I do realise that I should wait a couple more months before I can see the final results, and that the current results may be due to swelling, but I am remaining positive. I will probably go and get a second round of needling in a couple of months' time.

Speak to you soon,
Paul.

[Denise2]

...what did she use to do your needling? It kind of looks as wounds from a single needle, but I guess those are icepicks your treating so it looks somewhat different.

I did self-needling on all my scars using a permanent make-up hand tool. Very easy to do, I used several configurations of needles depending on the size of the scars, I guess I have mostly rolling type.

Hi TJ.
Julie used a needling machine using twin needles spaced a couple of mm apart, and only needled the individual icepicks. She said that with rolling scars, she would tend to needle in a circular motion around the whole area, although she admitted that she didn't tend to perform needling very often on rolling scars, and said that she didn't think the results would be as good. She recommended I wait to have subcision for my rolling scars.

How were your improvements following the needling, TJ?

Rossie, you are very handsome!

thanks Denise that's very kind of you to say so, especially when my face is covered with by big red wounds!

are your scars still improving? What's your latest update?

They definitely seem to be improving, Denise. I would say there has been between 30 and 50% improvement in the ice pick scars, although in some lights it looks even better! I am very happy with the results so far, as I wasn't expecting dramatic changes.
I do realise that I should wait a couple more months before I can see the final results, and that the current results may be due to swelling, but I am remaining positive. I will probably go and get a second round of needling in a couple of months' time.

Speak to you soon,
Paul.

Yeah, but we can still see your facial features, even with red bloody marks all over your face!

I doubt that what you are seeing at this point is swelling. The swelling usually exists only 2-3 weeks MAX. I think at this point you can and should assume what you are seeing is improvement.

That's really great news.

Aren't you glad I push needling so much? I really do believe it's one of the best options out there; inexpensive, works on all scar types, and little down time, and GREAT results with people who havn't had invasive treatments before.

[Rossignol]

Yes, so far I'm a definite fan. I don't see how you can go wrong with £150 (under $300) for a procedure that has about 2-4 days downtime and little risk of complication, and that generally gives such good results.

Even for people that haven't had great results, I haven't heard of anyone that has had their skin worsen through the needling, and it's not like spending $3000 on CO2 laser and getting no improvement, anyway.

I will keep updating, hopefully with pics.

Thanks again for the well-wishes!

[new_guy1]

Thanks for posting these photos Paul. I hope you continue to see improvement!

[kooky]

Hope you heal beautifully Ross. Your skin looks otherwise VERY healthy and smooth. Good for you!

[Rossignol]

Thanks for posting these photos Paul. I hope you continue to see improvement!

Hope you heal beautifully Ross. Your skin looks otherwise VERY healthy and smooth. Good for you!

Thanks very much guys! I will keep you posted with how I get on.