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[Rossignol]

Pat - I just PMed you; I think you must be the person Julie mentioned as I just checked out your post history and saw you are 32 y/o male (should have checked that before I replied! )

I'm quite surprised Julie went ahead with your needling less than a year after your roaccuate treatment - she was quite emphatic with me that she wouldn't do it until at least a year afterwards. I imagine she must have thought your skin had recovered well enough to go ahead with it as she's usually very thorough with things like that.

Anyway, it's good to find somebody else in the same boat - good luck with your healing process!

[Pat69]

Rossignol,

I have just PM-ed you back. I have only been on a very low course of accutane (<0.5 mg/kg) over a longer period. After 6 months of this low dose of accutane my skin is back to normal. Very easy to check if you cut yourself when shaving. I saw that my skin healed extremely quickly, which is exactly what is needed for needling.

I will keep you all updated about my needling results. So far it's looking good, but as is only 10 days ago I had it done I will keep my enthousiasm down as only time will tell......

Good luck !

[Rossignol]

So far the healing process with the test patches seem to be going well. The scabs formed within about a day, and the scars are still scabbed although part of the scabbing came away earlier in the week when I was washing. It's impossible to tell if there's been any improvement in the scars while the scabs are still on.

I'm pleased with how quickly the redness has faded, though, and I'm looking forward to the full session on Wednesday.

[noone]

Would/Could you have before- and after-photos of the area which was needled?

[o_Adam_o]

So far the healing process with the test patches seem to be going well. The scabs formed within about a day, and the scars are still scabbed although part of the scabbing came away earlier in the week when I was washing. It's impossible to tell if there's been any improvement in the scars while the scabs are still on.

I'm pleased with how quickly the redness has faded, though, and I'm looking forward to the full session on Wednesday.

good luck and keep us informed .. btw what type of scars do u have?.. kinda wanna see how effective this is with indented scars ?

[Andreangel]

[quote name='Andreangel' post='905969' date='Jan 4 2006, 01:45 AM']
I thought needling doesn't work well on ice picks.

Is this true or false?
[/quote]

Julie seemed to feel that needling works best on icepick scarring, although she said that it tends to give some results with most types of scar. It does tend to vary from individual to individual, though. A former poster here had 2 sessions of needling on deep icepicks, and only felt they gave her 10% improvement.

I'll let you know how it affects my own icepick scarring.

[/quote]

Wow that is giving me hope

I too had needling done recently, about 2-3 weeks ago from a local tattoo artist, I'm too lazy to write the whole thing haha. Basically it was red for 2 days, scabbed on day two, scab fell completely off on day 6. It looks a big hyperpigmented but you have too look really closely and makeup covers pretty much everything.

I have mostly icepicks and rolling scars and now just patiently waiting for it to get better.

I am applying Copper Peptide (makeupartstchoice.com, who buys it from skinbiology) that everyone talks about it hoping it'll make it improve faster.

I'll take pictures on my next needling session.

[Rossignol]

Had my full needling session yesterday afternoon with Julie at Bio2.

She needled approximately 70 mainly ice-pick scars on my cheeks and jawline in an hour 1/2 long appointment costing £150.

Not al of my facial scars have been needled, but Julie is reluctant to do more than 70 in a session, and all of the areas I am most concerned about have been covered.

The procedure itself was uncomfortable, but not unbearable, and afterwards my skin looked very red and bloody on both cheeks. She only needled the individual scars, so it looked as though someone had dotted my face with a bright scarlet felt-tip pen. I'll post some pics when I get the chance.

24 hours later, the swelling and redness have subsided a great deal. Proper scabs haven't formed yet. I'm currently applying amino-plex and bacitracin zinc ointment, but not overly moisturising the needled areas.

It's nice for the moment to have more level cheeks than I've had in a long time, but I know it's due to the swelling, so I'll reserve judgements for some time yet.

I'll keep updating with my results, and hopefully with some pictures soon.

[o_Adam_o]

Had my full needling session yesterday afternoon with Julie at Bio2.

She needled approximately 70 mainly ice-pick scars on my cheeks and jawline in an hour 1/2 long appointment costing £150.

Not al of my facial scars have been needled, but Julie is reluctant to do more than 70 in a session, and all of the areas I am most concerned about have been covered.

The procedure itself was uncomfortable, but not unbearable, and afterwards my skin looked very red and bloody on both cheeks. She only needled the individual scars, so it looked as though someone had dotted my face with a bright scarlet felt-tip pen. I'll post some pics when I get the chance.

24 hours later, the swelling and redness have subsided a great deal. Proper scabs haven't formed yet. I'm currently applying amino-plex and bacitracin zinc ointment, but not overly moisturising the needled areas.

It's nice for the moment to have more level cheeks than I've had in a long time, but I know it's due to the swelling, so I'll reserve judgements for some time yet.

I'll keep updating with my results, and hopefully with some pictures soon.

any updates bud

[Rossignol]

Thanks for asking, Adam.

A week on, the healing seems to be going very well. The scabs have fallen off, and almost all the redness has subsided.
There still appears to be some healing going on inside the needled scars, though.

At this stage, there does seem to have been some improvement in the depth of the scarring, although it's very difficult to make judgements this early as the results may be affected by residual swelling and/or healing going on in the scars. I'm not going to make any proper judgements until at least a month after the needling.
At the moment I'm applying the regular CP serum morning and night, along with Amino-plex, and moisturising with emu oil. I may start applying Retin-A in a couple of weeks time if there's any flareup in the acne.

I'll keep updating. I've been trying to post pics but haven't managed to upload them properly yet, so I'll try and get this sorted soon as well.

[o_Adam_o]

good luck

[floss]

Is this Julie the woman at Leamington Spa - which seems to be the only place in the UK that DOES needling 4 gods sake?!

Not even sure where Leamington Spa is, its kinda near Birmingham isn't it?

Might i ask why you guys are having it done by her rather than self-needling which is cheaper, or have you tried that already? Oo and did the woman say anything about whether needling is good for scarred pores?

[Rossignol]

I'm in a rush so excuse the brusqueness of this post!

Is this Julie the woman at Leamington Spa - which seems to be the only place in the UK that DOES needling 4 gods sake?!

Yes, Julie practices at Leamington Spa. She also practices at a clinic in Harley Street, London.

Up until recently, Julie was the only person performing needling in the UK, but recently Dawn Cragg has also started performing it, in London.

Some people have had it done by a local tattoo artist, after they have shown them the information on needling.

Not even sure where Leamington Spa is, its kinda near Birmingham isn't it?

It's around an hour's drive from Birmingham, in Warwickshire near Coventry.

Might i ask why you guys are having it done by her rather than self-needling which is cheaper, or have you tried that already?

I would not even consider self-needling. I don't believe you would be able to get as good results as you would from a highly experienced professional carrying it out under sanitized and magnified conditions, with a specialist machine.
Also, £150 is not a huge amount to pay for scar treatment, I feel it is definitely worth the extra money to see a professional.

Oo and did the woman say anything about whether needling is good for scarred pores?

Yes, Julie said needling can be beneficial for scarred pores.

[Denise2]

I agree with Rossie; personally, I don't recommend self needling.

Needling works fine on all scar types including scarred pores.

Rossie...you still may be experiencing swelling. Don't just give it a month....give it three.

I really can't stress that enough. Sometimes you can't tell ANYTHING for 8 weeks. Now if after 3 weeks, you see improvement, great. Most of the time, this close to having it done, it's still just swelling.

[Rossignol]

Sometimes you can't tell ANYTHING for 8 weeks. Now if after 3 weeks, you see improvement, great. Most of the time, this close to having it done, it's still just swelling.

I'm trying to keep all this in mind, Denise - it's easy to get carried away with how good it looks after the first week, but if this site has taught me anything, it's to be realistic!

I'll wait until 3 months before I make any proper judgements.

[floss]

I wonder what she would do for scarred pores, just needle the entire area or needle each pore separately?

Do you think going to Julie would have any major advantages over going to a tatto artist?

[marce]

Hello ... I have 1.5 mm dermaroller at home .. and am going to try do needling my self ..

I have numb creams and everything .. just wonering how long the redness will last after having needling with demaroller ?

and would dermaroller give you as same result as using tatoo machine ?




thanks for reading ..

[Rossignol]

I wonder what she would do for scarred pores, just needle the entire area or needle each pore separately?

She said that she would needle each pore individually, as the needling tool she uses is extremely fine.

Do you think going to Julie would have any major advantages over going to a tatto artist?

Julie is much more experienced with needling for acne scars, whereas the average tattoo artist will probably not have performed this before. I think going to a tatoo artist is definitely a viable option if they agree to do it, but I think there would be better chance of getting good results with someone experienced, such as Julie or Dawn Cragg.

would dermaroller give you as same result as using tatoo machine ?

There are lots of threads regarding dermarollers and results/advice if you do a search for it in this forum.

[floss]

Mm, 150 pounds isn't that bad, but do ppl usually need 2 or 3 goes, or might 1 be enough?

[Rossignol]

Mm, 150 pounds isn't that bad, but do ppl usually need 2 or 3 goes, or might 1 be enough?

Some people see good results from one session, although I believe most people have 2-3 sessions. This still works out cheaper than £500, which is not too bad, considering that Isolagen costs over £3000, and CO2 laser can cost upwards of £4000.

[marce]

I think even i dont get any solid improvement with doing needling .. i ll still be getting the swelling right ?

then i ll be happy .. i ll just keep on continue to do needling get the swelling effect on my face to cover up the scars .. maybe 3-4 times a year ..


for passed 5 years I have done... 2subcisions , 1 spot co2 laser treatment, 1 needling , 4 tca cross , 7 frexel laser ,and 1 ipl ..


and the result ? I still have scars .... Yes it improved 45-50% but scar is a scar if you dont get up to 99% line improvement .. you will still see scar from bad lighting.. depending on your condition etc ..

from now on no more of heat used treatments for me .. i ll be only doing needling from now ..