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[OzPower]

when you take a quote from a noted source and combine it or follow it with arrogence,  it loses alot of credibility 

Who cares though if he follows it up with arrogance, IF for arguements sake the article is correct then that'd be your own idiocy for ignoring it then, hey?

[drover]

I agree, and arrogence was too strong a word,
I guess I just ment that if you are trying to help or encourage others to take notice you have to be more appealing, does that make sence?

[Zerglings200]

ya all out topics man

[janeir36]

re. h202 - it's cheap and in stronger solutions it'll cause damage, the general public is not intelligent enough nor mature enough to use h202 on a safe basis. Not to mention it's dirt cheap and easily available, kind of puts every other acne topical out of business with prehaps the exclusion of sayilic acid.

See in my post the word 'few', did i say everyone? Go reread the post i made which you responded too, now this is fact, you calling me oxymoron and making a statement which now indicates you are one, try reading a post in future. Mr wiggles is fine, hes allowed to question Dan, i didn't see Dan getting all uptight and it's his site, exciercise some maturity child.

I'd also like to add, maybe he is a forum troll because he adds nothing but criticises, regardless if hes right or wrong, if you can't contribute without continuously berating someone or an idea, then his puropse here is pretty limited.

Stupid conscience. I'm editting my post. "Oxymoron" is not an insult, neither is it a term used to describe a person. Look it up.

Secondly, if you already had your answer as to why h202 isn't a mainstream acne fighting tool, why ask the question in a way that makes Dan appear dubious? If he did promote it, wouldn't you then be wondering why he's pushing a drug not FDA approved for acne treatment (right?) that would more likely be damaging to younger people especially?

Besides, it's like the other lady says. No one's stopping anyone from trying out new stuff and posting their results. There's no conspiracy to hide anything from the public

[Grace_M]

I found another study on BP and free radical damage/sun damage. Here
That being said, I'm aware of the risks and I use it anyway. I use topical Vitamin C to try to counteract some of the damage. That and BHA keep my skin clear so I use it. Thanks for a great site Dan!

[fejao]

I found another study on BP and free radical damage/sun damage. Here
That being said, I'm aware of the risks and I use it anyway. I use topical Vitamin C to try to counteract some of the damage. That and BHA keep my skin clear so I use it. Thanks for a great site Dan!

Hi I dont mean to sound condecending, however I just want to point out somethings about the study that you posted. Firstly the cells used in this study were mice cells (murine), secondly they were murine Leukemia cells which are leucocyte cells that are cancerous ie unrestrained proliferation, thats why leukemia is called cancer of the blood commonly. Also in the conclusion it is said

"BPO, Which has been used extensively for the treatment of acne on facial skin, considerable investigation has not demonstrated long-term consequences (Iversen, 1988; Binder et al, 1995).


Fejao x

[vanessa]

With regard to the H2O2 study: 52 is a very small sample size for a study of this type, a bit early to draw conclusions wouldn't you say? Also, reduction in noninflammatory lesions was significantly greater than w/ BP, but not inflammatory or total lesions. The difference in total lesions was 93% versus 88% (NS), which suggests this treatment may be promising but this result is certainly not robust enough to suggest everyone should drop BP and start using H2O2 immediately.

Conclusion: interesting, but hardly definitive proof.

Also, regarding the BP/tumor link, any studies showing an effect in humans? You're posting a lot about mice, but we all know that animal studies do not necessarily translate well to humans. Or did I miss something?

[Crooked I]

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[lovelyquantum]

Hello Dan and everyone,

First of all, I want to "say" that benzoyl peroxide works good on my skin... nevertheless, I must clear something (as a chemistry major)... benzoyl peroxide [C6H5CO-O-O-OCH5C6] easily suffers homolysis, that is, the bond between the two middle oxygen atoms breaks (this bond is very weak). As a result, two radicals form [2 C6H5CO-O*].
In fact, organic peroxides are used in the initiation step of a chain reaction due to this "property".

***On the other hand, I don't know anything about how benzoyl peroxide works with the skin. Some sources say that BP reacts with the skin in some way that benzoic acid and oxygen (molecule) are produced. I'll check that out.

I need benzoyl peroxide, and unless someone comes up with something better, I'll stick with it. [i don't want to have a scarred face ... btw sometimes I switch BP for Sal acid, but BP works better for me...]

A final note to all:
***Our body creates free radicals even if we are not using BP... it suffers from oxidative stress every time we eat carbs, proteins, and fats!! That is why, it's wise to eat fruits and vegetables several times a day, between meals, etc.

When using BP, try to use it only once a day, use sunscreen, and probably a moisturizer. At night use a moisturizer with antioxidants (or something like that). Drink plenty of water (1.5-2 liters). Eat fruits and vegetables, daily!! [Yes, again haha].... Walnuts.

I do have a lot of things to write but hahaha it is already too much...

Hope this helps...

Q

Mr. Wiggles, I think you are perhaps mistaken about the free radicals issue. BP causes oxygen, which is 0(2), or two oxygen molecules stuck together. A free radical is a single oxygen molecule with nothing attached. Benzoyl peroxide does not, as far as I know, cause free radicals. In fact, benzoyl peroxide is an anti-inflammatory.

Again, I ask that you please post a specific scientific study that shows a correlation between free radical damage and benzoyl peroxide application.

-Dan