I'm quite shy by nature and always embarrassed over my skin. The cystic acne in my early years was bad enough but the lifelong effects I think are worse. I gave up on acne treatment many years ago after Retin A. This was back when there weren't a lot of options for acne- accutane, Retin A and antibiotics. It made my skin dry, crack and ooze.... while breaking out at the same time. Even after the recommended adjustment period. I'm 40 now and have decided I've suffered enough. I used the acne.org regimen and it has helped quite a bit to reduce overall acne. I have very sensitive skin so even the low dose on the benzoyl peroxide was irritating for a while (puffy red eyes and almost unbearably itchy skin) I tend to get itchy acne... which caused scratching and picking- more scars over the years in addition to the ones from cystic and chicken pox at 15.
I read a lot about Copper Peptides, and a month ago decided to start them. They sounded very scary (my sensitive itchy skin) but I ordered to trial pack for scarring. (Skin Biology) I immediately regretted it when I realized that it came with strong product. However I have used it as directed with absolutely NO irritation, in fact my skin LOVES it. It seems to control my acne well, if I do get a pimple, it disappears almost immediately. I have severe scarring, rolling, icepick, boxcar, small keloids... name it. What I noticed with the CPs is an overall smoothness to the skin and a big change in my keloids, even within a week. They began to look flat and wide (no that doesn't sound better to be wider but at least they are CHANGING) I even noticed some I didn't realize were keloids because of the flat appearance they started taking on. I hadn't seen a change in my deep scars, but I do assume over a good deal of time I would see some change. I haven't yet experienced any of the "uglies" that I've read about. I had made the decision to try rolling before I ordered the CP's... I felt like this was a step to "ready" my skin.. in addition to changing my diet (which I have done for about 6 months) and supplements. (daily multi, omegas through chia seed and occasional fish oil, cranberry (unrelated) D-3 and a probiotic. I eat berries and yogurt daily and include as much fresh or "raw" food as I can. I would like to actually try something stronger than the super cp and maybe someone can direct me... it seems my skin can handle it easily.
I knew I would try rolling- that decision was made a year ago but I was afraid that doing myself- I would not do it right, cause more damage or infection. There was not anyone within a 6 hour drive who did the treatments. As I readied myself to order the items for home rolling, one random google search brought me someone who does rolling IN MY TOWN. I was so thrilled. I did a consult with her. She gave me a lot of good information that, to me, explains some of the mixed results people are seeing in their rolling.
I see a lot of questions and debate over dermarolling. I don't know where this will lead me, but this is my choice of treatment after a lot of research. I started out thinking I would go for laser, but what I read was very discouraging, not enough results, more damage and scarring, high cost. Reading about the mechanism of dermarolling made sense to me.
What I learned on my consult that I did not find anywhere else (she is selling a service- I bear this in mind and take everything with a grain of salt)
- the roller makes a difference- the lower cost ones are inferior in that the needles can wiggle in the skin and can cause more scarring
- the lower cost rollers do not penetrate to the depth they claim to
- THE dermaroller is very high cost and for professionals for a reason
- skin thickness makes a difference. Those with thinner skin, have less collagen to stimulate- their bodies likely tend to metabolize it more than those with thicker skin. Thicker skin responds better to rolling.
She recommended a course of 4 rolls, spaced 3-4 months apart. I scheduled my first one which I had today. This is my experience.
It was 500 usd for a treatment. A nurse is on site (I guess to be DERMAROLLER certified they need to have one) as I had to travel to a slightly farther location to have it done. She did not promise me life changing results. Her exact words were that she would rather undersell the results and have me happy than to promise huge results and there be disappointment, as everyone is different- and what we do at home in the interim is as important as the treatment itself. She said that in general 50% improvement can be expected. The dermaroller website says 70- 80%...
She had originally intended on using a 1.5 on me. I had hoped for a longer needle (I know longer is better) and luckily when the nurse looked at me, and noted my thick skin she suggested a 2.5. Yes, there is an increased risk in infection as well as more pain with a longer needle. I was really thrilled to have the longer needle. I readied myself for a great deal of pain.... however this was MUCH less painful than I anticipated. They did use a numbing cream, let me sit to penetrate then started rolling.
One thing that really struck me is that she was MUCH MORE aggressive than I would have ever been doing it myself. Overall, the pain was less than one of my bad headaches... however there are a few tender spots that did cause me to cringe just a bit- around the lips, on the brow bone, and beside and on the nose. The cheeks and forehead- I almost didn't feel at all. Though she warned me that the discomfort would grow a lot through the process I honestly felt like I could have done another hour lol. The numbing cream was only lidocaine so I may just have a high pain threshold- in addition to just being COMPLETELY READY to change my life.
I wasn't a big bleeder, just spotted some (everyone is different) and did not bruise (some do bruise even from lesser needle length) I think she rolled for about an hour. I feel like for what I paid- I got my monies worth in terms of attempt- she was VERY aggressive. Now.... results... we don't know. I'm hoping for the best since the majority of my issues were chicken pox, boxcar and rolling. My thick skin with a good deal of collagen might be a bit of a blessing for me. *crosses fingers*
I was able to drive myself home... was a bit tender and burned feeling. I am EXTREMELY red. They say it will be like a sunburn but for me it is worse (I'm very pale) Within about an hour or two the tenderness diminished A LOT. It has been about 8 hours since my roll and it feels like only a mild sunburn- though still VERY red with some areas that appear blood spotted.
Aftercare- I'm not to touch it today, no products. I am able to use neosporin starting tomorrow (I figure they do it for tattoos so I will do it for the rolling) and I can wash it with a mild soap tomorrow. Make up is allowed within 2 days. I am going to opt for neosporin and no make up (I work at home so I can baby it a bit more than someone who has to go out right away) 1000mg of Vitamin C is recommended, as well as zinc and magnesium. I should have started these before the rolling, but I jumped quickly to have it done. I'll start them tonight. CPs can be used in 2 days though the exfoliants that were included in the (lactic acid, salicalic acid) cannot be used for at least a week. NO anti inflamatories or antihistamines are allowed- the swelling is part of the process and needs to be allowed to take its course.
I know everyone wants before and after pics. I think this is important for me to show as well so that others can get a good feeling of (only one persons) results. I did take before pics myself but I think they didn't show the severity of the scarring enough. The ones taken at the spa seemed better (worse) (fluorescent lighting is a horrible thing- I think any of us with scarring knows that!) I will post the ones I took shortly, and will try to get the ones from the spa, if they will, as I really want to share this with people who are suffering. I don't know what will come of this but I want to share it. I'll also include the immediate after pics, as well as those through the week and in a month, and 2 months (2 months shows the results of the roll- however collagen formation can continue through 1 year to 16 months) I am realistic. I don't expect a miracle after my first roll. If I see a difference, I'll be happy. If I don't.. I will continue anyway. I know it can take well up to a year to get full effect.
Again I hope this will help others and I am happy to help anyone who has questions. We are in this struggle together
Edited by Caterpillargirl, 21 July 2012 - 01:25 PM.