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[freezerburn]

First off F acne scars lol

anyway my face has cleare up now and rarely get any active acne but my god the acne left its mark on my face

I would like to see what options are out there for fading acne scars (scars on my forhead, temples, cheeks) and what you guys believe is most effective.

Thanks!!

[mrjarjarbinks77]

Get it under control first. Get a dermatologist to refer you to a cosmetic doctor. This stuff is not cheap. Likely, they will push laser which I don't think is a good idea since, you cannot burn part of your skin off and it looks fine. It makes no sense what so ever. Likely, the best alternative is fillers but, are you allergic to restylane or juverderm? The only way to find out is to get it. Cost is around $700-$1500 depending on the doctor, the amount of syringes, amount of scars, location, and other things too. I also believe you must be off medication while under this so, before doing scar treatment, you need clear skin.

[DRaGZ]

mrjarjarbinks77, on 31 January 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Get it under control first. Get a dermatologist to refer you to a cosmetic doctor. This stuff is not cheap. Likely, they will push laser which I don't think is a good idea since, you cannot burn part of your skin off and it looks fine. It makes no sense what so ever. Likely, the best alternative is fillers but, are you allergic to restylane or juverderm? The only way to find out is to get it. Cost is around $700-$1500 depending on the doctor, the amount of syringes, amount of scars, location, and other things too. I also believe you must be off medication while under this so, before doing scar treatment, you need clear skin.

This is misinformation about lasers. The most popular skin resurfacing laser in the entire world, Fraxel Re:store, doesn't even remove any skin whatsoever.

Just talk to a dermatologist. If possible, several dermatologists. They will all give you a list of treatments that they provide along with pros, cons, and their opinion on what would work best for you.

[DudleyDoRight]

Read and research, and cut through the BS. There are a lot of biased people on here who spout opinions without any basis in fact. Go with science and not fiction. You will be flooded with anecdotal evidence which is worthless. There are treatments that may help that I am unaware of so the only things I really knock are the snake oil treatments that comes to somebody in a dream.

[pursuit of happyness]

i agree with dudley, you must research more and more, you only one that know the real statue of your face and scars,so what beautiful to take advise from people here or in another forums, but in that case you take decision on thier situation not in your situation, some treatments get good results to some and bad to others and healing of every one changed to the other,so search good and be patient and be healthy

[Coppedsynergy999]

I think acne scarring can be treated successfully if you tread softly. If you make a game plan and follow it the the T without letting doctors push you areound youll be fine. For example, heres my approach. Im going to only treat one of my rolling scars first with subcision and see what happens. Slow and steady wins the race. There are mamy things to be learned about the skin on this website. Another piece of advice is stay away from negative energy. There is gonna be some miserable people on this board but as long as you stick with a safe, realistic, plan, what could go wrong?

[Lange]

I've really been liking what I'm reading about derma rolling but have not tried it. It's fairly cheap and looks like it could be less severe than lasers or many other treatment options. Evidence does seem to give it some support as a way to help scarring.

[DudleyDoRight]

Lange, on 01 February 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

I've really been liking what I'm reading about derma rolling but have not tried it. It's fairly cheap and looks like it could be less severe than lasers or many other treatment options. Evidence does seem to give it some support as a way to help scarring.

Then read the super thread on the dermaroller. http://www.essential...d.php?tid=22460

[mrjarjarbinks77]

DRaGZ, on 01 February 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

mrjarjarbinks77, on 31 January 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Get it under control first. Get a dermatologist to refer you to a cosmetic doctor. This stuff is not cheap. Likely, they will push laser which I don't think is a good idea since, you cannot burn part of your skin off and it looks fine. It makes no sense what so ever. Likely, the best alternative is fillers but, are you allergic to restylane or juverderm? The only way to find out is to get it. Cost is around $700-$1500 depending on the doctor, the amount of syringes, amount of scars, location, and other things too. I also believe you must be off medication while under this so, before doing scar treatment, you need clear skin.

This is misinformation about lasers. The most popular skin resurfacing laser in the entire world, Fraxel Re:store, doesn't even remove any skin whatsoever.

Just talk to a dermatologist. If possible, several dermatologists. They will all give you a list of treatments that they provide along with pros, cons, and their opinion on what would work best for you.

Lets agree to disagree. A lot of photoshop and lies is what people believe in. Look at how much it costs for these proceedures and what little guaratee there are. Look at the fact is way over priced and almost anyone can get their hands on these lasers just about. I also remind you guys, lasers was the samething that the bad guys used in the movies on James Bond and I promise you guys, it was not to fix acne or scars.

[DRaGZ]

mrjarjarbinks77, on 03 February 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

DRaGZ, on 01 February 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

mrjarjarbinks77, on 31 January 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Get it under control first. Get a dermatologist to refer you to a cosmetic doctor. This stuff is not cheap. Likely, they will push laser which I don't think is a good idea since, you cannot burn part of your skin off and it looks fine. It makes no sense what so ever. Likely, the best alternative is fillers but, are you allergic to restylane or juverderm? The only way to find out is to get it. Cost is around $700-$1500 depending on the doctor, the amount of syringes, amount of scars, location, and other things too. I also believe you must be off medication while under this so, before doing scar treatment, you need clear skin.

This is misinformation about lasers. The most popular skin resurfacing laser in the entire world, Fraxel Re:store, doesn't even remove any skin whatsoever.

Just talk to a dermatologist. If possible, several dermatologists. They will all give you a list of treatments that they provide along with pros, cons, and their opinion on what would work best for you.

Lets agree to disagree. A lot of photoshop and lies is what people believe in. Look at how much it costs for these proceedures and what little guaratee there are. Look at the fact is way over priced and almost anyone can get their hands on these lasers just about. I also remind you guys, lasers was the samething that the bad guys used in the movies on James Bond and I promise you guys, it was not to fix acne or scars.

Again, you're trying to spread misinformation.

Several people on these forums have had success with lasers, myself being one of them. Many of them would be willing to talk to you.

Not anyone can just get their hands on these lasers. They cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, just for the units, not even for the lasers heads themselves. Those stupid machines you get for home use should not be counted in this argument.

It's about information and experience, not distrust and gut reactions. It's all about the practioner and the expectations the patient comes in with, not the off-promise that everything will be hunky-dory with just a few procedures.

Lasers also do not work for everyone, like any treatment. There's an innumberable number of factors that makes it so that each treatment, whatever it is, must be tailored to each patient.

Really, it's very silly that you're trying to bring up the depictions of lasers in movies into this argument, what a childish way of trying to assert yourself.

[mrjarjarbinks77]

DRaGZ, on 03 February 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

mrjarjarbinks77, on 03 February 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

DRaGZ, on 01 February 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

mrjarjarbinks77, on 31 January 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Get it under control first. Get a dermatologist to refer you to a cosmetic doctor. This stuff is not cheap. Likely, they will push laser which I don't think is a good idea since, you cannot burn part of your skin off and it looks fine. It makes no sense what so ever. Likely, the best alternative is fillers but, are you allergic to restylane or juverderm? The only way to find out is to get it. Cost is around $700-$1500 depending on the doctor, the amount of syringes, amount of scars, location, and other things too. I also believe you must be off medication while under this so, before doing scar treatment, you need clear skin.

This is misinformation about lasers. The most popular skin resurfacing laser in the entire world, Fraxel Re:store, doesn't even remove any skin whatsoever.

Just talk to a dermatologist. If possible, several dermatologists. They will all give you a list of treatments that they provide along with pros, cons, and their opinion on what would work best for you.

Lets agree to disagree. A lot of photoshop and lies is what people believe in. Look at how much it costs for these proceedures and what little guaratee there are. Look at the fact is way over priced and almost anyone can get their hands on these lasers just about. I also remind you guys, lasers was the samething that the bad guys used in the movies on James Bond and I promise you guys, it was not to fix acne or scars.

Again, you're trying to spread misinformation.

Several people on these forums have had success with lasers, myself being one of them. Many of them would be willing to talk to you.

Not anyone can just get their hands on these lasers. They cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, just for the units, not even for the lasers heads themselves. Those stupid machines you get for home use should not be counted in this argument.

It's about information and experience, not distrust and gut reactions. It's all about the practioner and the expectations the patient comes in with, not the off-promise that everything will be hunky-dory with just a few procedures.

Lasers also do not work for everyone, like any treatment. There's an innumberable number of factors that makes it so that each treatment, whatever it is, must be tailored to each patient.

Really, it's very silly that you're trying to bring up the depictions of lasers in movies into this argument, what a childish way of trying to assert yourself.

Understand that you are fortunate and that is okay. Also, the location in which you live plays a big part in it. Many places like Toronto, LA, NYC, London, etc are all money hungry, will say, and do anything to get you into their to drop large amounts of money. What you are saying is that, you so happen to be fortunate and lucky. What say you of the ipl damage support forum or the many people who have spent thousands of dollars on treatments that did nothing? Many of whom were likely not trained properly or just the treatment failed.

Unless you work or are getting a cut from one of these places, you have little reason to defend or argue it. Please share to these people what great success you had. I am sure this will help their burned faces.

http://iplandlaserda...t.prophpbb.com/

As I was saying, sure anything can help but, to suggest randomly jumping into any old thing is outrageous. Congrats on your success but, understand, you are one of few people. For every one person that comes out with this success story, realize someone wasn't successful. A news video was posted on this site and there is an entire forum dedicated to misuse of these devices.


Freezeburn, seek medical advice and get lots of opinions. After you do your research and weighing in the risks involved, make your educated decision as nobody can give you or point you in the right direction. Despite a lot of the false information provided by a lot of these facilities, a lot of risks are present, and this isn't exactly cheap. Good luck to you.

http://www.ctv.ca/CT...removal-120128/

Edited by mrjarjarbinks77, 03 February 2012 - 10:29 PM.

[DRaGZ]

mrjarjarbinks77, on 03 February 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

DRaGZ, on 03 February 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

mrjarjarbinks77, on 03 February 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

DRaGZ, on 01 February 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

mrjarjarbinks77, on 31 January 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Get it under control first. Get a dermatologist to refer you to a cosmetic doctor. This stuff is not cheap. Likely, they will push laser which I don't think is a good idea since, you cannot burn part of your skin off and it looks fine. It makes no sense what so ever. Likely, the best alternative is fillers but, are you allergic to restylane or juverderm? The only way to find out is to get it. Cost is around $700-$1500 depending on the doctor, the amount of syringes, amount of scars, location, and other things too. I also believe you must be off medication while under this so, before doing scar treatment, you need clear skin.

This is misinformation about lasers. The most popular skin resurfacing laser in the entire world, Fraxel Re:store, doesn't even remove any skin whatsoever.

Just talk to a dermatologist. If possible, several dermatologists. They will all give you a list of treatments that they provide along with pros, cons, and their opinion on what would work best for you.

Lets agree to disagree. A lot of photoshop and lies is what people believe in. Look at how much it costs for these proceedures and what little guaratee there are. Look at the fact is way over priced and almost anyone can get their hands on these lasers just about. I also remind you guys, lasers was the samething that the bad guys used in the movies on James Bond and I promise you guys, it was not to fix acne or scars.

Again, you're trying to spread misinformation.

Several people on these forums have had success with lasers, myself being one of them. Many of them would be willing to talk to you.

Not anyone can just get their hands on these lasers. They cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, just for the units, not even for the lasers heads themselves. Those stupid machines you get for home use should not be counted in this argument.

It's about information and experience, not distrust and gut reactions. It's all about the practioner and the expectations the patient comes in with, not the off-promise that everything will be hunky-dory with just a few procedures.

Lasers also do not work for everyone, like any treatment. There's an innumberable number of factors that makes it so that each treatment, whatever it is, must be tailored to each patient.

Really, it's very silly that you're trying to bring up the depictions of lasers in movies into this argument, what a childish way of trying to assert yourself.

Understand that you are fortunate and that is okay. Also, the location in which you live plays a big part in it. Many places like Toronto, LA, NYC, London, etc are all money hungry, will say, and do anything to get you into their to drop large amounts of money. What you are saying is that, you so happen to be fortunate and lucky. What say you of the ipl damage support forum or the many people who have spent thousands of dollars on treatments that did nothing? Many of whom were likely not trained properly or just the treatment failed.

Unless you work or are getting a cut from one of these places, you have little reason to defend or argue it. Please share to these people what great success you had. I am sure this will help their burned faces.

http://iplandlaserda...t.prophpbb.com/

As I was saying, sure anything can help but, to suggest randomly jumping into any old thing is outrageous. Congrats on your success but, understand, you are one of few people. For every one person that comes out with this success story, realize someone wasn't successful. A news video was posted on this site and there is an entire forum dedicated to misuse of these devices.


Freezeburn, seek medical advice and get lots of opinions. After you do your research and weighing in the risks involved, make your educated decision as nobody can give you or point you in the right direction. Despite a lot of the false information provided by a lot of these facilities, a lot of risks are present, and this isn't exactly cheap. Good luck to you.

http://www.ctv.ca/CT...removal-120128/

I live in LA, which is where I got my treatment.

What you are saying now is a much more measured sustantiation of lasers than what you were saying before, and is basically what I had already said.

[mrjarjarbinks77]

DRaGZ, on 03 February 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

mrjarjarbinks77, on 03 February 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

DRaGZ, on 03 February 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

mrjarjarbinks77, on 03 February 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

DRaGZ, on 01 February 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

mrjarjarbinks77, on 31 January 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Get it under control first. Get a dermatologist to refer you to a cosmetic doctor. This stuff is not cheap. Likely, they will push laser which I don't think is a good idea since, you cannot burn part of your skin off and it looks fine. It makes no sense what so ever. Likely, the best alternative is fillers but, are you allergic to restylane or juverderm? The only way to find out is to get it. Cost is around $700-$1500 depending on the doctor, the amount of syringes, amount of scars, location, and other things too. I also believe you must be off medication while under this so, before doing scar treatment, you need clear skin.

This is misinformation about lasers. The most popular skin resurfacing laser in the entire world, Fraxel Re:store, doesn't even remove any skin whatsoever.

Just talk to a dermatologist. If possible, several dermatologists. They will all give you a list of treatments that they provide along with pros, cons, and their opinion on what would work best for you.

Lets agree to disagree. A lot of photoshop and lies is what people believe in. Look at how much it costs for these proceedures and what little guaratee there are. Look at the fact is way over priced and almost anyone can get their hands on these lasers just about. I also remind you guys, lasers was the samething that the bad guys used in the movies on James Bond and I promise you guys, it was not to fix acne or scars.

Again, you're trying to spread misinformation.

Several people on these forums have had success with lasers, myself being one of them. Many of them would be willing to talk to you.

Not anyone can just get their hands on these lasers. They cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, just for the units, not even for the lasers heads themselves. Those stupid machines you get for home use should not be counted in this argument.

It's about information and experience, not distrust and gut reactions. It's all about the practioner and the expectations the patient comes in with, not the off-promise that everything will be hunky-dory with just a few procedures.

Lasers also do not work for everyone, like any treatment. There's an innumberable number of factors that makes it so that each treatment, whatever it is, must be tailored to each patient.

Really, it's very silly that you're trying to bring up the depictions of lasers in movies into this argument, what a childish way of trying to assert yourself.

Understand that you are fortunate and that is okay. Also, the location in which you live plays a big part in it. Many places like Toronto, LA, NYC, London, etc are all money hungry, will say, and do anything to get you into their to drop large amounts of money. What you are saying is that, you so happen to be fortunate and lucky. What say you of the ipl damage support forum or the many people who have spent thousands of dollars on treatments that did nothing? Many of whom were likely not trained properly or just the treatment failed.

Unless you work or are getting a cut from one of these places, you have little reason to defend or argue it. Please share to these people what great success you had. I am sure this will help their burned faces.

http://iplandlaserda...t.prophpbb.com/

As I was saying, sure anything can help but, to suggest randomly jumping into any old thing is outrageous. Congrats on your success but, understand, you are one of few people. For every one person that comes out with this success story, realize someone wasn't successful. A news video was posted on this site and there is an entire forum dedicated to misuse of these devices.


Freezeburn, seek medical advice and get lots of opinions. After you do your research and weighing in the risks involved, make your educated decision as nobody can give you or point you in the right direction. Despite a lot of the false information provided by a lot of these facilities, a lot of risks are present, and this isn't exactly cheap. Good luck to you.

http://www.ctv.ca/CT...removal-120128/

I live in LA, which is where I got my treatment.

What you are saying now is a much more measured sustantiation of lasers than what you were saying before, and is basically what I had already said.

Maybe but, the way you came about my post and dismissed was unneccessary or unfair. I do congratulate you on your success. I hope this guy in the thread finds the same success you have had.

[DudleyDoRight]

Wow, I haven't payed much attention to this thread but I see some abritrary statistics being thrown around. I lean more towards scientific evidence, and ignore advertising specials, and negative nillys. There was a VERY vocal anti Fraxel Re:pair opponent on RealSelf, and I was finally able to out her that she had never had Re:pair but derived all her opinion from Negative Nillys, and nothing from actual fact. I do not know what works for others I only know the only thing that has ever helped me was Fraxel Re:pair. I tried some of the Snake Oils such as EMU oil and Copper Peptides. The link on my signature takes you to a medical study not hocus pocus or some nightly new show show hoping to boost ratings.

[laineylynn3]

That's great that you've passed the first hurdle - getting the active acne under control. While I can't advise you as to what treatments would be best for you, I can warn you about the negative things that have happened to me during treatment. I started on my scar treatment regime years ago, before some of the newer techniques came along. I have both boxcar and rolling scars, with the rolling scars being most bothersome to me. I have had two deep dermabrasions, and they have left my skin with really bad texture and very large pores (apparently the deeper skin layers can have larger pores). I would advise you to avoid dermabrasion. If I could rewind my life and start my scar treatment over again, I would avoid the dermabrasion and have subcision for my rolling scars, along with some type of collagen-induction therapy (needling or fraxel laser) for my boxcar scars. Now, I'm waiting for ReCell to be approved for use in the US, as it appears to be good for improving skin texture.

[DRaGZ]

laineylynn3, on 04 February 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

That's great that you've passed the first hurdle - getting the active acne under control. While I can't advise you as to what treatments would be best for you, I can warn you about the negative things that have happened to me during treatment. I started on my scar treatment regime years ago, before some of the newer techniques came along. I have both boxcar and rolling scars, with the rolling scars being most bothersome to me. I have had two deep dermabrasions, and they have left my skin with really bad texture and very large pores (apparently the deeper skin layers can have larger pores). I would advise you to avoid dermabrasion. If I could rewind my life and start my scar treatment over again, I would avoid the dermabrasion and have subcision for my rolling scars, along with some type of collagen-induction therapy (needling or fraxel laser) for my boxcar scars. Now, I'm waiting for ReCell to be approved for use in the US, as it appears to be good for improving skin texture.

You don't have to wait for recell if you're simply looking for a supplement to something like a Fraxel Re:store laser. A company called Neo-Cutis develops human growth factors specifically designed to help with scars. I am planning to use them for my next laser treatment (which is Lux 1540, slightly stronger than Fraxel Re:store, but in the same ballpark, nowhere near, say, Re:pair). I can't personally attest to its results, since I have not had it yet, but it's a fact that there are similar options to Recell already available in the States.

[laineylynn3]

Hi DRaGZ,

I see Neo-Cutis has something called PSP that is supposed to encourage cell growth, but it does not seem to be the same as the ReCell, which uses a patient's own skin cells in a repair matrix.

[DRaGZ]

laineylynn3, on 05 February 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

Hi DRaGZ,

I see Neo-Cutis has something called PSP that is supposed to encourage cell growth, but it does not seem to be the same as the ReCell, which uses a patient's own skin cells in a repair matrix.

Oh, I know, but as far as studies have shown, the results, when used as an after-procedure topical, is somewhat similar. Not as clear about Recell, but the method by which Neo-cutis' products work doesn't matter because they are growth factors and thus don't have a chance of rejection if not person-specific. It'd be the equivalent of, saying, giving someone an NE injection, NE is NE, much like growth factors are growth factors.

Don't take my word for it, though. I am not arguing equivalent efficacy, since both products have been barely tested to begin with, I am simply arguing that there are other after-procedure topicals that work on a similar premise, that's all.

Edited by DRaGZ, 06 February 2012 - 03:39 AM.