How Do You Guys Date And Deal With Acne Or Scars?
#1
Posted 28 January 2012 - 10:43 PM
I'll share. I was out visiting friends out of state and I saw a really beautiful girl. I wouldn't forgive myself if I let her go by without meeting her so, I did and we really hit it off. What i didn't know was that, when I went home, my skin was horrible, and broken out. She saw past it guys. I was just fun and really excited about having fun, meeting her, and it was great.
I think practicing self love with or without acne or scars or depression. Even getting out when you feel like shit. Just have a leap of faith, believe you are worth it, that you deserve to date, to have a social life, and some fun too. I would love to hear some of your stories guys.
#2
Posted 28 January 2012 - 10:51 PM
This is a video I made to share what I have used to stop my acne. I hope it helps.
#3
Posted 28 January 2012 - 11:02 PM
I am trying to get out more. When I did, I would date, I would meet girls but, the sec I become aware of my skin or how shitty it looks, I get depressed about it. It is another fight everyday. I am meeting some new girls, getting numbers, a lot of girls flake or make excuses so, I move on, and try to meet more before they stop returning my calls lol It also makes me mentally and emotionally stronger I guess. I am reading a lot of self help stuff, positive thinking challenges, and trying to take risks too. It is not fun but, I think having and lost would suck all over again.
There have been times and moments where I feel like a forever aloner but, I try my best to avoid that way of thinking cause, it is not productive. Glad you have gotten past this and you have a bf.
#4
Posted 28 January 2012 - 11:08 PM
1. Men have a TENDANCY to worry more then they need to becuase bieng the visually-oriented creatures we are, images are more intense for us.(hence male dominated porn usage)
2. Women have TENDANCY to worry more than they need to becuase they feel insecure that the visually-oriented male will find them unnatractive. What they usually fail to recognize is that the visually dominated male will also see your attractive features more intensely then you do. Womens insecurities are often futile. As well as mens.
Moral of the story---Realize that many of our worries are a direct result of cultural media portraying what is ideal. Do you think 1,000 years ago they went to get plastic surgeries?? Of course not. These things played themselves out normally. We live in a sick and dying culture. We have sacrificed our peace and sanity with uncontrolled vanity. We are subconsiously making things SOOO much harder than they have to be. People are making money off of our insecurities. I wish everyone would wake up!!
#5
Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:11 AM
But men can get away with having a bunch of scars and acne, in some cases it can even make them appear more attractive by giving them a more "roughed up" look, but this "rough" look doesn't go so well on women. But overall, if you are a guy, the main thing that will attract a woman is your personality. I have fallen in love with some ugly ass dudes just because when I get to know their personality, they become the most handsome man in the world. How many men can say this about a girl? Not many.
I choose not to date because I know no guy will want me because of the way I look, and I want to be the most beautiful woman in the world to a guy, not just an average chick. So, I continue to avoid dating until I look the way I want to...
#6
Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:14 AM
So, when I see that hot girl that looks like the girl on vogue, I think, wow she looks like the girl on vogue. I dont flip my shit like a horny little boy because deep down inside I realize that the desire to posess a woman like that is in fact a desire to "posess". Becuse I am only judging her by societys standards. Not by who she is. So if I pursued her while disregarding her personality I would in essence be going after an object of MY desire.See how messed up that is?? But this is America now folks, where people made ordained marriages before god during the springtime and divorce before the leaves turn brown.
#7
Posted 29 January 2012 - 10:41 AM
I don't think acne comes into it for me as I've seen pictures of girls here with acne and I still might find them attractive and think that they're pretty. In that moment, whatever it is I find attractive stands out more than acne does, which just sort of seems to fade away.
But on the other side of that, if you're the person who is looking to make a move, you never know how the other people will respond to you; if they'll like what they see overall and if what they like will be enough for them to be able to see beyond acne. That's where I've always fallen down because I used the acne to justify not putting myself out there and always assume that I'd essentially be inflicting myself upon people because they would never have any reason to like me on physical level, with or without acne. I guess that thought process is due to lack of confidence. It's slightly based on experience and the nasty words of two girls I met once, but that was years ago and I really aught to have let it go. Instead, I held onto those experiences and decided it was safer not to put myself out there and risk being insulted or laughed at or whatever. Holding onto that has created a fear in me now. Perhaps a great discredit to many girls out there who, for all I know, might not be shallow or ignorant like that at all. It just seems like a big risk trying to find them. I guess that's what it comes down to though - taking a risk, being brave and hoping it pays off.
#8
Posted 29 January 2012 - 12:54 PM
#9
Posted 29 January 2012 - 07:19 PM
God forbid, someone ever be at their breaking point and a simple message gives them hope or something more to believe in. Paul, from your message, does this mean you are taking action and risks?
Coppedsynergy999, on 28 January 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:
1. Men have a TENDANCY to worry more then they need to becuase bieng the visually-oriented creatures we are, images are more intense for us.(hence male dominated porn usage)
2. Women have TENDANCY to worry more than they need to becuase they feel insecure that the visually-oriented male will find them unnatractive. What they usually fail to recognize is that the visually dominated male will also see your attractive features more intensely then you do. Womens insecurities are often futile. As well as mens.
Moral of the story---Realize that many of our worries are a direct result of cultural media portraying what is ideal. Do you think 1,000 years ago they went to get plastic surgeries?? Of course not. These things played themselves out normally. We live in a sick and dying culture. We have sacrificed our peace and sanity with uncontrolled vanity. We are subconsiously making things SOOO much harder than they have to be. People are making money off of our insecurities. I wish everyone would wake up!!
Yeah. I liked this post. I really really liked it. I saw a girl who is so beautiful and messaged in the forum about acne. I couldn't sit back and not message her. It is crazy how much people go through and how easy it is to get stuck in your own problems or limiting beliefs. I really believe what you said is true. I took action and I approached this girl. I thought she was so beautiful and I would be so mad at myself if I didn't do it. We really hit it off and it wouldn't be the first time and I am sure not the last time. I seen a video this year and it made me take action. I ended up going out on new years eve and I got rejected so much but, I also met a lot of people and a awesome girl at the end of the night. We went and got food, got her number, met her friends, and their numbers. We hung out but, nothing ended up happening later on. I have met some girls where the chemistry is undeniable and it is special. It is those moments I try to hold onto but, you can't force it to happen. It happens as it may but, if I don't take action, she must or nothing happens. I wont leave things to chance so, I take a risk and it is hard even as a guy.
I met a beautiful girl a year ago out with a friend and man, it was so awesome. Too bad she didn't live around here but, I left no excuses or reasons why I shouldn't. This isn't easy to do. It was more important to meet her, to risk failure or rejection, and I was rewarded with a awesome girl even if it was temporary. I wasn't at home so, it was impossible but, I met her parents, and they liked me. They thought I was funny. We had fun. What still amazes me was that, my skin was broken out but, it didn't stop things or ruin things. It was just meant to happen and partially, I think it was a reminder for me even when times get tough to know, its not forever, that things will get better, and as long as I take chances in life, things will workout. Not always but, they will workout and it just takes courage and balls to be that guy.
Edited by mrjarjarbinks77, 29 January 2012 - 07:27 PM.
#10
Posted 31 January 2012 - 10:50 PM
Callum., on 29 January 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:
I met with a cosmetic doctor. They don't think its serious enough to do anything like surgery. They are also making a lot of money. The doctor had a burberry tie on that costed more then everything I was wearing or probably more then everything I own. It was two doctors, one guy who would do fillers and one girl who dealt with laser. She had awesome skin but, I imagine she had work done since, she looked too young to be a mom. Their skin was amazing as is my dermatologist. I am looking at fillers. I think laser is dangerous for my skin tone. They offered deals for multiple use but, I am considering fillers just not sure when and how serious the side effects are.
All I know is that, I am not sitting back, and letting life pass me by. I hate that forever aloner feeling at times when depressed or feeling negative. I am still meeting girls so I guess I am doing something right.
#11
Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:17 AM
#12
Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:03 AM
However I am trying. At the moment I'm attempting to meet women via dating sites, and while I've interacted with more than a few it hasn't really gone anywhere. The reason being, I think, is that I self-sabotage. Even when riding a wave of confidence, eventually I get to a point where I think to myself "Oh no. If we go on a date I may be expected to kiss her, and if I go in for the kiss she'll notice how bad my skin really is..."
And don't even get me started on sex. The idea of taking of my shirt in front of a potential sexual partner is absolutely terrifying to me. It's kind of hard to enjoy the moment when you place your hand on your partners back and feel acne. Or even worse, puss/blood from a popped pimple.
Those are the things that run through my mind each and every attempt I make.
As an aside, there's an event that I will always remember as being critical to this mindset: I was 18 or 19, at a pool party hosted by a girl I trying to pursue romantically. I looked around at all the guys there, and not one of them had a single blemish on their back, chest, shoulders, or even their face. I'm aware that there are other acne sufferers, but at that moment I felt like a sideshow freak.
To make matters worse, because of my body image issues I was the only one wearing a shirt and the only one there who was extremely pale (since I don't tan often, as there is no point as I refuse to remove my shirt). They all kept telling me to take my shirt off, and I couldn't explain to them why I wasn't comfortable doing that.
In the end I wound up going home early, depressed and defeated, feeling as if I'd never have a shot with this girl with all these good looking, tan and clear-skinned guys around. That's really set the tone for my adult love life, I believe.
#13
Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:56 AM
I've had a go at the online dating thing as well but it hasn't gone anywhere. It's probably not ideal because I can't really sell myself in terms of hobbies, interests, friendships, work, etc. as I don't have much going on at the moment. Not that I'm negative or anything, I essentially try and write as the person I'd like to be so I can get away with it in that respect, but I soon run out of things to say and can't really keep it flowing. Besides, I wouldn't know how to go about asking someone out or wanting to get to know them better without sounding creepy anyway so I've never tried, and it's logical that the other person would soon get bored of writing back and forth if it's not going to lead anywhere. I just end up thinking something along the lines of, 'I like this person and find her attractive, but why on earth would someone like that be interested in someone like me?'
I went through a similar thing last week after chatting with a girl on a forum run by a local bar. She said I should let her know if I was going to to show there on the Saturday and we could hang out. I built up to it all week, worked myself up into a panic, starting feeling stupid/inferior/ugly or whatever and then just stayed home at weekend feeling sorry for myself. It all just seems really difficult and scary and I can't seem to break out of that comfort zone. It's not even about acne anymore because I'm clear most of the time. It's all down to the damage acne did to my confidence and self esteem years ago.
Just like how you have that event from several years ago at the pool party, I've a couple of events going back about seven years which now have me fearing putting myself out there and into similar situations because I'm scared the same will happen again. That fear is pretty much crippling. I guess we need to learn that we're not who we were then and, theoretically, the people we might approach now are older as well now and if they're grown-up about stuff, they'd be less likely to make fun of us or something.
The concepts of dating and socialising seem kind of alien to me in the sense that I don't get what other people seem to get from it. I could be in a club or whatever and just not see the point of being there. It's like everyone's inside this circle having fun, doing what they do and doing what is apparently "normal", and I'm on the outside of it. Maybe it's the venues that don't work for me, but I don't know where else to go. That's another vicious cycle because wherever I go, I'd be going there on my own anyway as I don't have any friends to go with. Can't make friends without meeting people, but I don't want to go to unfamiliar places and try to meet people on my own like some sort of oddball. Makes me quite sad to be honest because there's probably a good person under all these insecurities and someone who would make a good friend or partner.
AceEpidermis, on 02 February 2012 - 08:03 AM, said:
However I am trying. At the moment I'm attempting to meet women via dating sites, and while I've interacted with more than a few it hasn't really gone anywhere. The reason being, I think, is that I self-sabotage. Even when riding a wave of confidence, eventually I get to a point where I think to myself "Oh no. If we go on a date I may be expected to kiss her, and if I go in for the kiss she'll notice how bad my skin really is..."
And don't even get me started on sex. The idea of taking of my shirt in front of a potential sexual partner is absolutely terrifying to me. It's kind of hard to enjoy the moment when you place your hand on your partners back and feel acne. Or even worse, puss/blood from a popped pimple.
Those are the things that run through my mind each and every attempt I make.
As an aside, there's an event that I will always remember as being critical to this mindset: I was 18 or 19, at a pool party hosted by a girl I trying to pursue romantically. I looked around at all the guys there, and not one of them had a single blemish on their back, chest, shoulders, or even their face. I'm aware that there are other acne sufferers, but at that moment I felt like a sideshow freak.
To make matters worse, because of my body image issues I was the only one wearing a shirt and the only one there who was extremely pale (since I don't tan often, as there is no point as I refuse to remove my shirt). They all kept telling me to take my shirt off, and I couldn't explain to them why I wasn't comfortable doing that.
In the end I wound up going home early, depressed and defeated, feeling as if I'd never have a shot with this girl with all these good looking, tan and clear-skinned guys around. That's really set the tone for my adult love life, I believe.
#14
Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:18 AM
I too have wondered have wondered how someone who cites classical poetry, world traveling, and any other number of interesting hobbies could be interested in me. I wonder how people acquire this vast array of hobbies/interests and why I have few of my own. Are we missing something, we ask ourselves? A gene? A mindset? It becomes all too easy to focus in on the niggling details, the how's and why. Neurotic introspection is something of a crutch. Instead of doing things we spend untold hours examining why we do not.
Well, with that all in mind, I've actually had some degree of success with a very silly and basic philosophy in the past. Have you perchance seen the film Yes Man, with Jim Carey? The films quality and merit aside, the basic premise is sound: Say yes to opportunities you'd normally examine to death, and the experiences will build from there. Good or bad, you'll have a new character building anecdote. And after a certain amount of time you'll be saying yes because you want to, rather than because you have to.
I took to that on a lark, and for a period of, I'd say 3 months, my life vastly improved. Hopefully I don't sound like some sort of preachy guru, that's not my intention. I no longer follow the philosophy if only because it was somewhat tiring, but it opens the door to social possibility. That's what truly matters.
#15
Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:52 AM
I did try something similar actually, after watching the film, by making a few decisions based on the outcome of a shake of a magic 8-ball. Similar kind of principle I suppose, taking away the option and to let another influence dictate things and then just go with the flow.
I used to say no to everything, to the point where people eventually stopped asking, so now there's nobody around for me to say no to. I think that's what brings me down the most now - the fact I pushed people away and now nobody calls anymore. On reflection, most people I had around weren't good for me and I was a figure of fun and an easy target for them when my acne was very visible. I hung around because I felt like being with people who did that was better than being on my own. Guess I was wrong, and I think an apparent lack of confidence based on my body language and vibe I gave off will have led people I did like to eventually drift towards others who were more outgoing or confident or whatever. Now, its very much going to be about learning some social skills, reinventing and liking myself, finding a way to meet new people who would be good for me, working out how to become interested in things such as hobbies I could enjoy with others, and trying to create more opportunities that I can try and say yes to.
#16
Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:53 AM
Ace - My boyfriend's answer to most "do you wanna?" questions is "why not!". He's realized that there is no good reason to not make an ass out of yourself. People either like you or they don't, and either way it doesn't matter. You get a fairly short amount of time on earth, so you have to prioritize. You can waste your time worrying, or you can do stuff you actually enjoy. It's hard to step outside of yourself, I know. But it's worth the effort.
#17
Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:18 AM
PaulH85, on 02 February 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:
I did try something similar actually, after watching the film, by making a few decisions based on the outcome of a shake of a magic 8-ball. Similar kind of principle I suppose, taking away the option and to let another influence dictate things and then just go with the flow.
I used to say no to everything, to the point where people eventually stopped asking, so now there's nobody around for me to say no to. I think that's what brings me down the most now - the fact I pushed people away and now nobody calls anymore. On reflection, most people I had around weren't good for me and I was a figure of fun and an easy target for them when my acne was very visible. I hung around because I felt like being with people who did that was better than being on my own. Guess I was wrong, and I think an apparent lack of confidence based on my body language and vibe I gave off will have led people I did like to eventually drift towards others who were more outgoing or confident or whatever. Now, its very much going to be about learning some social skills, reinventing and liking myself, finding a way to meet new people who would be good for me, working out how to become interested in things such as hobbies I could enjoy with others, and trying to create more opportunities that I can try and say yes to.
All that we can really do is keep trying, keep pushing. I've been making a lot of smaller strides (hm, that's somewhat redundant
There were times where I looked around and wondered how someone such as I could be in a place like this with people who look like they have their lives together, but on the whole I was having too much fun to think about it. At one point I looked to my left and noticed a fellow with horrendous acne surrounded by 3 women. It was both inspiring and maddening. My issues paled in comparison to his, yet here he was living life to the fullest.
Every little bit counts. Hopefully you get another shot with your potential date, for as Lola stated, what is there to lose? I understand, of course. The idea of success can be just as frightening as failure. Still, you can do nothing and guarantee a safe, comfortable sense of failure... Or try your best, and potentially succeed. The worst case scenario is that you end up back where you were before you tried.
At least, that's how I'm trying to view things, ha.
Lola Burns, on 02 February 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:
Ace - My boyfriend's answer to most "do you wanna?" questions is "why not!". He's realized that there is no good reason to not make an ass out of yourself. People either like you or they don't, and either way it doesn't matter. You get a fairly short amount of time on earth, so you have to prioritize. You can waste your time worrying, or you can do stuff you actually enjoy. It's hard to step outside of yourself, I know. But it's worth the effort.
Edited by AceEpidermis, 02 February 2012 - 11:19 AM.
#18
Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:49 PM
#19
Posted 03 February 2012 - 07:55 AM
Lola Burns, on 02 February 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:
The internet is pretty big so I'm not too sure about that.
That's a great approach you've got there, Breanna. Good for you! I must admit, it wasn't until I started talking to people here that I realised my experiences with acne also gave me experiences that I could share in order to help others. It really brought out that understanding and compassion which might not have formed in me otherwise. It's essentially just a huge amount of kindness and that's never a bad thing. I suppose the trick is being brave enough to share it with people in person because there's always a risk that we might pick people who don't respond with kindness or aren't particularly worthy of what we offer.
Between a combination of picking the wrong people, getting negative responses as a result, being the kind of person who takes those responses personally and to heart and struggles to let them go, it often seems safer not to try. As a result, I've never really learned how to approach people or what to do that might make me appeal because the fear gets in the way. I guess it really does come down to training the mind to think about it in the way that you described, to not be so sensitive about it and to let any negative experiences or comments bounce off.
#20
Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:29 PM
I agree with Breanna. If we are critical of ourselves, its very easy to be that way with other people or very judgmental. People are people, we have flaws, and no matter what, nobody is perfect. Then, even the things we have that are imperfect about our self, people somewhere, someone loves, and cares about you which seems so crazy. It is what makes you you and keeps you unique. I think it was Milton that said something about "it is the mind that can make hell heaven or heaven hell." We need to interact with people, we need to get out, to have a life, and to date. We shouldn't limit ourselves now or ever.
One day, we will wake up, and our life will have passed us by. All the regret in the world wont make a difference or change the life we lived. We still have a choice and like Breanna said, the moment I step out, I try to be positive as I can be, to be out going, and fun as I can. Ace, give it a chance, go out, approach a beautiful girl, take up new hobbies, find things you are inspired by or things to do. Don't let anything ever break you.
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