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[blueeyednycgal]

I have been on 2 full courses of accutane.
I am back to oily skin and hormonal break outs.

I am on birth control
I dont eat lots of red meat or dairy.

I need this oil cycle to just stop, its so annoying! been off accutane a year. I am 31 years old, this is past puberty.

so i have been told i have to try to use supplements, and the below seem to show up alot in searches

what are you thoughts/experiences?

b5?
dht blockers?
pumpkin seeds?
saw palmetto?
zinc?
witch hazel?

Edited by blueeyednycgal, 21 November 2011 - 03:37 PM.

[Ninergirl]

Hey there. Im 33 female also been on accutane twice. Accutane has always worked amazing for me when Im on it. I have moderate acne, but very very oily skin the oil always come backs after I stop accutane. My face is oily after an hour of washing it. I don't know if supplements work. I just saw my dermatologist and according to her there is no diet or supplements to get rid of oily skin she told me unfortunately its genetics. And even more frustrating when I asked about getting older I thought your skin gets drier she said that is true but not until in your 50's and late 50's for some. I started tazorac gel was on the cream and did not work. Im having much better luck with the gel and it has helped a tiny bit with the oil and only been on it a few weeks. My derm wants me to go on a third round of accutane. According to her people with very oily skin and mild acne is the most stubborn kind and the most difficult kind to get rid of She told me it can take several rounds for some people especially with very oily skin. Im probably going to go on it again. All I can hope is it at least it will help decrease less oil coming back. I probably was not much help, but totally understand I have the same very oily skin I did when I was 13 and its very frustrating and embarrassing.

[blueeyednycgal]

Ninergirl, on 21 November 2011 - 09:37 PM, said:

Hey there. Im 33 female also been on accutane twice. Accutane has always worked amazing for me when Im on it. I have moderate acne, but very very oily skin the oil always come backs after I stop accutane. My face is oily after an hour of washing it. I don't know if supplements work. I just saw my dermatologist and according to her there is no diet or supplements to get rid of oily skin she told me unfortunately its genetics. And even more frustrating when I asked about getting older I thought your skin gets drier she said that is true but not until in your 50's and late 50's for some. I started tazorac gel was on the cream and did not work. Im having much better luck with the gel and it has helped a tiny bit with the oil and only been on it a few weeks. My derm wants me to go on a third round of accutane. According to her people with very oily skin and mild acne is the most stubborn kind and the most difficult kind to get rid of She told me it can take several rounds for some people especially with very oily skin. Im probably going to go on it again. All I can hope is it at least it will help decrease less oil coming back. I probably was not much help, but totally understand I have the same very oily skin I did when I was 13 and its very frustrating and embarrassing.

I feel your pain, it is frustrating. While on Accutane and shortly after I looked amazing. never once needed to blot oil or worry my make up would run off. it was fantastic, but i dont think i want to go through that again and put my body at that risk for even worse side effects down the road. I already have stomach pains/ibs from what i believe to be from tane. i have started the following routine in hopes that it will help from the inside out adn also on the outside..i will report my findings.


washing morning and night with witch hazel
using oil free cetaphil moisturizer in AM
at night i use tretinion cream from my derm (generic but like renova or trentin x)

drinking tons of water
drinking only green tea ( no more coffee )
eating pumpkin seeds for zinc
taking letochin
taking multi vitamin
on BC
eating more fruits and no dairy/pasta/etc.

[Ninergirl]

I totally understand. I was fortunate enough to not have the horrible side effects that some have while on accutane. Good luck! Look forward to your updates to see if your regime is working for you.

[sbowlchica]

I had super oily skin for years, too. but it's gotten LOADS better. When I wake up in the morning, my face is almost completely matte!

What worked for me:
The OCM. (Weird, I know... cleaning your face with oil?) Yes.. it tricks your skin into thinking that it has already produced a lot of oil, so it stops producing more oil. I wash my face with castor oil, bare hands, NO IRRITANTS (which only make you oilier)... and it's a lot better.

Course, I also avoid sugars (which make acne 200 times worse), take taurine and omega-3 and multi.

[bryan]

sbowlchica, on 22 November 2011 - 08:34 PM, said:

What worked for me:
The OCM. (Weird, I know... cleaning your face with oil?) Yes.. it tricks your skin into thinking that it has already produced a lot of oil, so it stops producing more oil.

Oh, so now people are thinking that OCM works on the ol' "it-tricks-your-skin-into-thinking-that-it-has-already-produced-a-lot-of-oil" dodge. GROAN.

Edited by bryan, 23 November 2011 - 01:37 AM.

[AKL]

bryan, on 23 November 2011 - 01:35 AM, said:

sbowlchica, on 22 November 2011 - 08:34 PM, said:

What worked for me:
The OCM. (Weird, I know... cleaning your face with oil?) Yes.. it tricks your skin into thinking that it has already produced a lot of oil, so it stops producing more oil.

Oh, so now people are thinking that OCM works on the ol' "it-tricks-your-skin-into-thinking-that-it-has-already-produced-a-lot-of-oil" dodge. GROAN.

It's hard to be helpful, isn't it? People here are trying to help each other, and whether or not it's good (or scientifically proven) advice, stop acting like a grumpy, old man. Your reply doesn't help one bit. Tell them what to do instead, or stop posting. Thank you!

[bryan]

AKL, on 23 November 2011 - 08:25 PM, said:

It's hard to be helpful, isn't it? People here are trying to help each other, and whether or not it's good (or scientifically proven) advice, stop acting like a grumpy, old man. Your reply doesn't help one bit. Tell them what to do instead, or stop posting. Thank you!

So nice to hear from you again, AKL; but you can trust me on this one: as long as people keep ignoring what doctors and scientists say on these issues, I'm going to keep repeating what they do say, over and over and over. It's a bit like telling people that the world is round, not flat!

[AKL]

bryan, on 23 November 2011 - 09:06 PM, said:

So nice to hear from you again, AKL; but you can trust me on this one: as long as people keep ignoring what doctors and scientists say on these issues, I'm going to keep repeating what they do say, over and over and over. It's a bit like telling people that the world is round, not flat!

You mean Kligman?

You can't deny the fact that many people experience less shininess when applying certain topicals. Whether or not that's scientifically proven, doesn't really matter. To them it's a fact. So instead of repeating yourself over and over again, and humiliating members who are trying to help others, you might as well explain why you (or Kligman) think it's impossible, and offer a solution. It's not like telling people the world is round, for that has nothing to do with personal experience.

[bryan]

AKL, on 23 November 2011 - 09:14 PM, said:

You mean Kligman?

Kligman would be an obvious example, of course, but there are also several others.

AKL, on 23 November 2011 - 09:14 PM, said:

You can't deny the fact than many people experience less shininess when applying certain topicals. Whether or not that's scientifically proven, doesn't really matter. To them it's a fact. So instead of repeating yourself over and over again, and humiliating members who are trying to help others, you might as well explain why you (or Kligman) think it's impossible, and offer a solution. It's not like telling people the world is round, for that has nothing to do with personal experience.

There are relatively few such modern comments on this nowadays, although there have been a few such newbies around lately (like the poster "slowichica"). I think word has slowly but surely finally trickled-down to most people by now, save for a few. I do have records of all the old important threads I've started in the past, like the ones having to do with the "feedback theory", and how the skin supposedly "tricks" the sebaceous glands into altering how much sebum they produce. Do you think I should post the link to the appropriate thread from the past, whenever somebody (usually a newbie) posts something like that again?

[AKL]

bryan, on 23 November 2011 - 09:49 PM, said:

AKL, on 23 November 2011 - 09:14 PM, said:

You mean Kligman?

Kligman would be an obvious example, of course, but there are also several others.

AKL, on 23 November 2011 - 09:14 PM, said:

You can't deny the fact than many people experience less shininess when applying certain topicals. Whether or not that's scientifically proven, doesn't really matter. To them it's a fact. So instead of repeating yourself over and over again, and humiliating members who are trying to help others, you might as well explain why you (or Kligman) think it's impossible, and offer a solution. It's not like telling people the world is round, for that has nothing to do with personal experience.

There are relatively few such modern comments on this nowadays, although there have been a few such newbies around lately (like the poster "slowichica"). I think word has slowly but surely finally trickled-down to most people by now, save for a few. I do have records of all the old important threads I've started in the past, like the ones having to do with the "feedback theory", and how the skin supposedly "tricks" the sebaceous glands into altering how much sebum they produce. Do you think I should post the link to the appropriate thread from the past, whenever somebody (usually a newbie) posts something like that again?

I think that would help members more than posting "Oh, so now people are thinking that OCM works on the ol' "it-tricks-your-skin-into-thinking-that-it-has-already-produced-a-lot-of-oil" dodge. GROAN.". Why not put the links in your posts instead? Or in your signature?

Also, I don't agree that "There are relatively few such modern comments on this nowadays". I've done a lot of searching, and even last week, ALL websites showing up on a Google search said that "jojoba oil tricks the skin into thinking it has produced enough sebum". I've sent several emails to website owners, to show me some scientific evidence, but I haven't gotten a reply yet (surprise). I haven't seen any scientific evidence that it doesn't work either. In fact, I found a quote on Google: "It represses sebum production and does not support microbial growth in the skin" (by Frank D. Gunstone). I can't deny people's experiences. If they feel it helps them: great. I can't explain it, but I'm not arguing their success.

[bryan]

AKL, on 23 November 2011 - 10:28 PM, said:

I think that would help members more than posting "Oh, so now people are thinking that OCM works on the ol' "it-tricks-your-skin-into-thinking-that-it-has-already-produced-a-lot-of-oil" dodge. GROAN.". Why not put the links in your posts instead? Or in your signature?

I'll try putting the links in my posts more often than I've done in the past. I've always worried that people don't bother even to look at such links, even if I give them an easy, clickable option.

AKL, on 23 November 2011 - 10:28 PM, said:

Also, I don't agree that "There are relatively few such modern comments on this nowadays". I've done a lot of searching, and even last week, ALL websites showing up on a Google search said that "jojoba oil tricks the skin into thinking it has produced enough sebum". I've sent several emails to website owners, to show me some scientific evidence, but I haven't gotten a reply yet (surprise). I haven't seen any scientific evidence that it doesn't work either.

It's a matter of degree. In the first years I started posting here, I was OVERWHELMED by the number of people who were posting this silliness about the "feedback theory" on a nearly daily basis. But as the years went by, I was slowly seeing fewer and fewer such posts. As I kept answering those posts and sometimes giving the results of the actual experiments that I was doing with Sebutape, they gradually became fewer and fewer. Nowadys, they happen only infrequently, and generally only from newbies.

I agree, though, that many other sites aren't nearly as advanced in this regard as we are.

AKL, on 23 November 2011 - 10:28 PM, said:

In fact, I found a quote on Google: "It represses sebum production and does not support microbial growth in the skin" (by Frank D. Gunstone). I can't deny people's experiences. If they feel it helps them: great. I can't explain it, but I'm not arguing their success.

I think that's one of those "Devil in the details" things. Even I personally have said on occasion that there may me some component of a natural fatty acid which suppresses sebum production; the way that happens isn't through some method envisioned by posters on this site, but by acting as some sort of a drug on the sebaceous glands. I'd like to know in more precise detail exactly how Dr. Gunstone thinks that jojoba oil "suppresses" sebum production.

[AKL]

bryan, on 24 November 2011 - 12:02 AM, said:

I'll try putting the links in my posts more often than I've done in the past. I've always worried that people don't bother even to look at such links, even if I give them an easy, clickable option.

Why should you worry about that? If people don’t want to listen to given advice (even when it’s backed up by science), or if they don’t want to click a link, clearly explaining how sebum production/reduction works, you’ve done all you can. If someone experiences less shininess when applying jojoba oil, there’s no way you (or anyone else) will be able to convince that person anyway. Maybe add some links to possible solutions, like Nizoral, vitamin A, B5, Niacinamide, silicol.

bryan, on 24 November 2011 - 12:02 AM, said:

It's a matter of degree. In the first years I started posting here, I was OVERWHELMED by the number of people who were posting this silliness about the "feedback theory" on a nearly daily basis. But as the years went by, I was slowly seeing fewer and fewer such posts. As I kept answering those posts and sometimes giving the results of the actual experiments that I was doing with Sebutape, they gradually became fewer and fewer. Nowadys, they happen only infrequently, and generally only from newbies.

I agree, though, that many other sites aren't nearly as advanced in this regard as we are.

Agreed, it happens less often here, but it still happens, and I can’t even blame them, considering the countless websites claiming it. And even though I’ve never found any scientific evidence supporting it, I’m happy if those people feel it helps them. I’m not going to punish them, or make them feel like fools for sharing their success, even though it’s not a scientific fact.

bryan, on 24 November 2011 - 12:02 AM, said:

I think that's one of those "Devil in the details" things. Even I personally have said on occasion that there may me some component of a natural fatty acid which suppresses sebum production; the way that happens isn't through some method envisioned by posters on this site, but by acting as some sort of a drug on the sebaceous glands. I'd like to know in more precise detail exactly how Dr. Gunstone thinks that jojoba oil "suppresses" sebum production.

Exactly, if jojoba oil really does suppress sebum production, there must be some component(s) responsible for it, it’s definitely not about “tricking” the skin. I’d love to see some research about it, too. But until then, we have to do with a lot of anecdotal evidence that can’t just be ignored imo.