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[arqa22]

this guy should get a medal
and this post need to be the ONLY THING YOU SEE WHEN GOING TO ACNE.ORG

follow a diet of meat/fish+fruits+vegetables and you will get clear immediately!!!

[alternativista]

arqa22, on 13 May 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

this guy should get a medal
and this post need to be the ONLY THING YOU SEE WHEN GOING TO ACNE.ORG

follow a diet of meat/fish+fruits+vegetables and you will get clear immediately!!!

???

That isn't what that guy was recommending in this thread at all. He believes everyone with acne has a severely damaged digestive tract. Everyone. And to get clear, you need to consume only extremely easily digested foods. And he specifically said no beef or poultry unless you absolutely must in which case a little very lean chicken or grass fed beef is allowed.

I agree that the digestive tract is important and many people need to heal it, but it is not the only source of chronic inflammation that is the root cause of acne. And I apparently didn't have such a damaged digestive tract because if I did, my skin wouldn't have cleared within 2 months of the day I stopped drinking sugary drinks and began, just began, avoiding high GI meals which I did gradaually as I found new meals to prepare to replace my prior habits.

Edited by alternativista, 14 May 2012 - 09:35 AM.

[mrjarjarbinks77]

clayjar, on 13 May 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

For mrjarjarbinks...

In regards to cystic acne, no matter what my diet was like, I would get cysts on my neck, shoulders and back.
It wasn't until I started taking Optizinc 30mg caps twice a day that the cysts virtually dissapeared (although not acne altogether). It made a difference practically overnight.

Then I introduced Maca into my daily routine...1/2 teaspoon in the morning upon waking and 1/2 teaspoon in the evening. It has seemed to help regulate my hormones somewhat. I still get acne on these problem areas but it is significantly less and heals quicker. I use the NOW brand of Maca powder. I stumbled upon its acne-benefits on accident cause I started taking it to improve my muscle-building workouts.

I should also add that at around the same time of the Maca, I stopped using soap on my problem areas when showering and only use water (soap for all the rest of my body). Also, I started concentrating on not drinking significant amounts of water/beverage when eating. I usually will wait a minimum of 20-30 minutes after drinking to eat (for the liquid to exit the stomach). After eating, I wait a minimum of an hour to have anything to drink again. I had heard this has helped some people, but I am unsure exactly if it helps me or if its the Zinc and Maca.

I'm also looking forward to Moon's updated post!

I am a absolute health nut. To say I have given up so much, everything from taste for functionality, vitality, health, fitness would be an understatement. The only thing that has given me long term success has been accutane. I cannot believe all the shit and hoops I had to jump through to get on it and it was well worth it. As of now, I am a bit concerned since, my weight has drastically changed in the four weeks I have been on it. Nothing in my diet has changed.

arqa22, on 13 May 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

this guy should get a medal
and this post need to be the ONLY THING YOU SEE WHEN GOING TO ACNE.ORG

follow a diet of meat/fish+fruits+vegetables and you will get clear immediately!!!

arqa22, on 13 May 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

this guy should get a medal
and this post need to be the ONLY THING YOU SEE WHEN GOING TO ACNE.ORG

follow a diet of meat/fish+fruits+vegetables and you will get clear immediately!!!

Tried that. More acne and cystic, the type that can and does scar. I say fuck it. Went on accutane. It fixes one thing and so I am told, causes another. Even at the risk of taking years off my life, cystic acne is now way to live.

[Hutchdan]

This diet is fantastic

There is one this that concerns me however, by eating all the fruit you want, won't there be a build up of fructose (sugar) in your body?
Can you cheat after having rebuilt your gut?
I also would really like to know the severity of your acne originally.

Thanks you're a legend!

[Tunnelvisionary]

mrjarjarbinks77, on 15 May 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

I am a absolute health nut. To say I have given up so much, everything from taste for functionality, vitality, health, fitness would be an understatement.

Based on that statement, I'd say that if you're eating in a way where you force yourself to eat foods that you don't want to eat, your body is not getting the nutrients it needs. When starting to eat healthier, i'd say most people eat based on what they think they should eat, and not the food their bodies are asking for. In that sense, I think that is why there seems to be a tendency for people who start eating healthier diets to sort of regress, or have NEW health problems appear, despite the fact they feel they are eating healthier. I hypothesize that foods only taste good to you when they have something in them that you need (example: if you eat too much of one food you love, you get sick of it). Based off of that, a healthy diet is one that should make you feel satisfied after you eat a meal. It should never be a diet where you feel like you are starving yourself or you are restricting yourself. If you eat foods that you don't want to eat, your body down regulates absorption of nutrients anyway. I believe most successful dieters eat in a way that they enjoy eating.

Basically, I'm saying that sometimes you have to forgo things you've read, and just eat what you feel like. I fear that statement will be taken the wrong way. I'm not suggesting eating candy and donuts when you want. I'm suggesting though, that if you have a craving for sugar (or anything else), give into it! In a healthy way, of course. Don't stuff yourself with cake, stuff yourself with sugary fruits! I promise, in the long run, things will work out so much better if you listen to your body instead of your mind. Despite what we know, there is so much we don't know about biochemistry. It requires a bit of intuition, but really, who knows best what you need other than your body?

http://www.doctor-na...mans-poison.php

I'm glad you're finding accutane is working for you, and you find it worth it, though.

Hutchdan, on 15 May 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

This diet is fantastic

There is one this that concerns me however, by eating all the fruit you want, won't there be a build up of fructose (sugar) in your body?
Can you cheat after having rebuilt your gut?
I also would really like to know the severity of your acne originally.

Thanks you're a legend!

I believe moonbase has mentioned before that fructose, when absorbed with equal amounts of glucose is best. Most fruits have a pretty even ratio of glucose to fructose, but it's not perfect. He suggested eating a small amount of sweet potatoes to account for any excess fructose. Sweet potatoes are starch, and starch is broken down into glucose only, I believe.

alternativista, on 14 May 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

That isn't what that guy was recommending in this thread at all. He believes everyone with acne has a severely damaged digestive tract. Everyone. And to get clear, you need to consume only extremely easily digested foods. And he specifically said no beef or poultry unless you absolutely must in which case a little very lean chicken or grass fed beef is allowed.

I believe he said it in this thread, but this diet is one he recommends this diet for someone with chaotic, unresponsive, acne. He claimed the gut was the sources of systemic inflammation, and I suppose someone with severe inflammatory acne probably has a damaged gut. He didn't mention it in his original post, unfortunately.

I tried doing just fish and fruits, but I simply cannot eat seafood in such high amounts. Probably due to my ancestral background. Eating any certain way where you have to force yourself to eat a certain way is detrimental.

I find this thread valuable because I feel like it gives people a pretty good starting point (in addition to your 'good things for acne' thread) and it strays away from the "fruit is evil because of fructose" mindset that i've seen way too often on this forum. It's literally the same saturated fat phobia that has run amok in western countries just with a different scapegoat.

Edited by Tunnelvisionary, 15 May 2012 - 12:32 PM.

[alternativista]

Tunnelvisionary, on 15 May 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

mrjarjarbinks77, on 15 May 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

I am a absolute health nut. To say I have given up so much, everything from taste for functionality, vitality, health, fitness would be an understatement.

Based on that statement, I'd say that if you're eating in a way where you force yourself to eat foods that you don't want to eat, your body is not getting the nutrients it needs. When starting to eat healthier, i'd say most people eat based on what they think they should eat, and not the food their bodies are asking for. In that sense, I think that is why there seems to be a tendency for people who start eating healthier diets to sort of regress, or have NEW health problems appear, despite the fact they feel they are eating healthier. I hypothesize that foods only taste good to you when they have something in them that you need (example: if you eat too much of one food you love, you get sick of it). Based off of that, a healthy diet is one that should make you feel satisfied after you eat a meal. It should never be a diet where you feel like you are starving yourself or you are restricting yourself. If you eat foods that you don't want to eat, your body down regulates absorption of nutrients anyway. I believe most successful dieters eat in a way that they enjoy eating.

Basically, I'm saying that sometimes you have to forgo things you've read, and just eat what you feel like. I fear that statement will be taken the wrong way. I'm not suggesting eating candy and donuts when you want. I'm suggesting though, that if you have a craving for sugar (or anything else), give into it! In a healthy way, of course. Don't stuff yourself with cake, stuff yourself with sugary fruits! I promise, in the long run, things will work out so much better if you listen to your body instead of your mind. Despite what we know, there is so much we don't know about biochemistry. It requires a bit of intuition, but really, who knows best what you need other than your body?

http://www.doctor-na...mans-poison.php

I'm glad you're finding accutane is working for you, and you find it worth it, though.

Hutchdan, on 15 May 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

This diet is fantastic

There is one this that concerns me however, by eating all the fruit you want, won't there be a build up of fructose (sugar) in your body?
Can you cheat after having rebuilt your gut?
I also would really like to know the severity of your acne originally.

Thanks you're a legend!

I believe moonbase has mentioned before that fructose, when absorbed with equal amounts of glucose is best. Most fruits have a pretty even ratio of glucose to fructose, but it's not perfect. He suggested eating a small amount of sweet potatoes to account for any excess fructose. Sweet potatoes are starch, and starch is broken down into glucose only, I believe.

alternativista, on 14 May 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

That isn't what that guy was recommending in this thread at all. He believes everyone with acne has a severely damaged digestive tract. Everyone. And to get clear, you need to consume only extremely easily digested foods. And he specifically said no beef or poultry unless you absolutely must in which case a little very lean chicken or grass fed beef is allowed.

I believe he said it in this thread, but this diet is one he recommends this diet for someone with chaotic, unresponsive, acne. He claimed the gut was the sources of systemic inflammation, and I suppose someone with severe inflammatory acne probably has a damaged gut. He didn't mention it in his original post, unfortunately.

There are many causes for chronic inflammation. A high GL diet, stress, visceral body fat, smoking, consuming more inflammatory than anti-inflammatory foods/nutrients, chronic exercise, lack of sleep, pollution...

[Tunnelvisionary]

True. I wonder if all those things create inflammation because they affect your gut somehow. For example, are foods inflammatory because they irritate the intestinal tract? There are probably way more mechanisms for creating systemic inflammation than I know about, so I personally wouldn't necessarily make the claim that all inflammation is from the gut, because I don't really know all that much.

Seems like it's generally a good place to start though. Reducing the other factors you mentioned no doubt helps.

[alternativista]

Tunnelvisionary, on 15 May 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

True. I wonder if all those things create inflammation because they affect your gut somehow. For example, are foods inflammatory because they irritate the intestinal tract? T

Some. It's actually all interrelated where one thing can cause another. Stress can damage your digestive tract, for example. And of course, a damaged digestive tract can lead to more allergic responses which are inflammatory. http://www.acne.org/...e/#entry2574309

[Hutchdan]

Is it possible to attempt this diet while on accutane? I've been on it for 2 and a half months and i've barely felt any side effects?

[Hutchdan]

I've been doing similar diets to this for a long time, i cut out fruit almost completely because i was positive it was all revolved around GI, it did work to an extent but i still got a few "problems" around my mouth. So i thought i would try this diet, i started 2 weeks ago and i was so happy with the results. Unfortunately im a 16 year old student, so my budget is very restricted so i have to eat school food (still gluten and diary free) which caused 99 "problems" and a bitch ain't one, mostly because i can't get a girlfriend. I know by following your guidelines i can reduce my acne but i still get a few! Before this, I was on a low gi, high veg, high protein diet for basically 5 months so i know it's not just a matter of time, I am not insulin resistant. Please, this diet takes a lot out of me but it'd be worth it if you told me why i still get 2 very small pimples almost every day. Just so you know, I've thought ahead and I'm applying for an intolerance test.

I am following your diet rigidly and it works better than the other similar diets, which also work pretty well.
Btw i stopped using any topical treatments and am now treating my problem with sun and washing my face twice a day.

I take all the appropriate pills including milk thisltle and pro biotics
If it's any help i am on accutane, i know you posted something about medication complicating things but would accutane really cause small breakouts. I guess this could be associated with how much liver function accutane requires, im sure you know more than me! (I've been on it for two months)

P.S. i really love my new fruit approach but i still hate the fact i don't eat bananas. It's driving me bananas (im really sorry) please explain whay causes it to be a no go food.

If you answer this you could seriously save me soooo much trouble. Thank you!

Edited by Hutchdan, Yesterday, 03:55 AM.

[onefatalgoose]

Tunnelvisionary, on 15 May 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

mrjarjarbinks77, on 15 May 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

I am a absolute health nut. To say I have given up so much, everything from taste for functionality, vitality, health, fitness would be an understatement.

Based on that statement, I'd say that if you're eating in a way where you force yourself to eat foods that you don't want to eat, your body is not getting the nutrients it needs. When starting to eat healthier, i'd say most people eat based on what they think they should eat, and not the food their bodies are asking for. In that sense, I think that is why there seems to be a tendency for people who start eating healthier diets to sort of regress, or have NEW health problems appear, despite the fact they feel they are eating healthier. I hypothesize that foods only taste good to you when they have something in them that you need (example: if you eat too much of one food you love, you get sick of it). Based off of that, a healthy diet is one that should make you feel satisfied after you eat a meal. It should never be a diet where you feel like you are starving yourself or you are restricting yourself. If you eat foods that you don't want to eat, your body down regulates absorption of nutrients anyway. I believe most successful dieters eat in a way that they enjoy eating.

Basically, I'm saying that sometimes you have to forgo things you've read, and just eat what you feel like. I fear that statement will be taken the wrong way. I'm not suggesting eating candy and donuts when you want. I'm suggesting though, that if you have a craving for sugar (or anything else), give into it! In a healthy way, of course. Don't stuff yourself with cake, stuff yourself with sugary fruits! I promise, in the long run, things will work out so much better if you listen to your body instead of your mind. Despite what we know, there is so much we don't know about biochemistry. It requires a bit of intuition, but really, who knows best what you need other than your body?

http://www.doctor-na...mans-poison.php

I'm glad you're finding accutane is working for you, and you find it worth it, though.

Hutchdan, on 15 May 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

This diet is fantastic

There is one this that concerns me however, by eating all the fruit you want, won't there be a build up of fructose (sugar) in your body?
Can you cheat after having rebuilt your gut?
I also would really like to know the severity of your acne originally.

Thanks you're a legend!

I believe moonbase has mentioned before that fructose, when absorbed with equal amounts of glucose is best. Most fruits have a pretty even ratio of glucose to fructose, but it's not perfect. He suggested eating a small amount of sweet potatoes to account for any excess fructose. Sweet potatoes are starch, and starch is broken down into glucose only, I believe.

alternativista, on 14 May 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

That isn't what that guy was recommending in this thread at all. He believes everyone with acne has a severely damaged digestive tract. Everyone. And to get clear, you need to consume only extremely easily digested foods. And he specifically said no beef or poultry unless you absolutely must in which case a little very lean chicken or grass fed beef is allowed.

I believe he said it in this thread, but this diet is one he recommends this diet for someone with chaotic, unresponsive, acne. He claimed the gut was the sources of systemic inflammation, and I suppose someone with severe inflammatory acne probably has a damaged gut. He didn't mention it in his original post, unfortunately.

I tried doing just fish and fruits, but I simply cannot eat seafood in such high amounts. Probably due to my ancestral background. Eating any certain way where you have to force yourself to eat a certain way is detrimental.

I find this thread valuable because I feel like it gives people a pretty good starting point (in addition to your 'good things for acne' thread) and it strays away from the "fruit is evil because of fructose" mindset that i've seen way too often on this forum. It's literally the same saturated fat phobia that has run amok in western countries just with a different scapegoat.

Eating what you want to based on what your body is craving is good, as long as you're choosing your foods wisely. I fear some people i've seen post in these threads may interpret this as 'hey, my body is telling me i'd really like a big mac'. Like you said, if you crave sugar, eat some fruit, or raw honey, or stevia in water. There really are a lot of healthy choices for people to make when it comes to dealing with cravings.

It just bothers me when people throw up their hands and give up eating healthy because they're frustrated with all the conflicting information they're being told, or they feel miserable/deprived while doing it, which leads to them switching to eating whatever they want because they're quote 'listening to their body'. But the type of listening you're talking about i believe is correct. I love eating healthy and i feel it is a major step up flavor wise from what i used to eat. So basically eating healthy doesn't have to suck, only if you make it suck